Posted May 07, 2016
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HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
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Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
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HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
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Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
Posted May 07, 2016
How about we mix 'em? Goose in the microwave, eggs in the fridge, you knock money out of HSL and I tell the story?
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HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted May 07, 2016
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Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted May 07, 2016
I'd like to commend Agent about some of the subtleties in this setup.
1) It is pretty safe to assume that every NK is town.
2) The exorcist was required to target a dead player.
3) Turns out that the exorcist power wasn't the only way to eliminate a spectre.
Bookwyrm627: These four players don't have a D1 pass, and they don't have the content to match others without a pass (like you, Cristi, and Dessimu).
Dessimu: While basically it means we were more active and does not say "Hey, these guys 'n gal are totally Town!", for me it's as good as some form of trust that we are Town. See, I am. Bookwyrm takes me off his scum list (at least for D1) - it means to me that I am doing a decent enough job of being the Town that I am. For all I know, you should feel the same or similar. Assumptions may be the death of you. If I don't have much in the way of scum reads, I'll check my "Usefulness to Town" list.
Bookwyrm627: Ironically enough, your scenario (which I thought to be a distant edge case at the time) will be coming true N2, assuming the coroner survives.
HypersomniacLive: Not sure I follow. Elaborate? I didn't anticipate that we'd start Night 2 with only 1 lynch and 1 NK, meaning the coroner would have to inves...
Never mind, I might be an idiot. We'd need to no lynch again today to leave the coroner with only a NK to investigate on N2. And I'd not be a fan of that.
JMich: I do have the inklings of a plan, but it's so far in the left field, it's coming from the right. I'llhave to re read the spectres and exorcist explanations before posting it though, since it is quite possible that I am quite mistaken about its plausibility. I'm listening attentively.
I don't think the coroner exposes himself performing the investigation, and an idiot coroner that claimed after only investigating the first night's kill probably deserves to die anyway.
1) It is pretty safe to assume that every NK is town.
2) The exorcist was required to target a dead player.
3) Turns out that the exorcist power wasn't the only way to eliminate a spectre.
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Never mind, I might be an idiot. We'd need to no lynch again today to leave the coroner with only a NK to investigate on N2. And I'd not be a fan of that.
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I don't think the coroner exposes himself performing the investigation, and an idiot coroner that claimed after only investigating the first night's kill probably deserves to die anyway.
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Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
Posted May 07, 2016
Ok, t'is my time now. Guys, gals, I am telling you - whoever replaces me, he is going to be awesome! I mean, seriously... You will love him! In fact, you all will love him so much that scum will reveal themselves right away! They will just say "He is way too fabulous, we surrender". And the joke! Oh my, the joke... Don't forget to ask him about the joke! He will tell the joke. It is hilarious.
Dear, oh mighty, mod, may I be replaced now?
If my opinion matters, I don't like lurkers (babark, lotsofchickenwings, a bit of a4plz). And they happen to be new players. Lurking makes them hard to read, so if either one (or all) of them are Town, they are playing in an anti-Town way. Should they be lynched? Not before interrogating them. If either of them is scum, they probably would have been told by buddies to participate some more, to not attract attention of lurking. Babark is still absent, lotsofckickenwings is having posts eaten (is he really?) and a4plz still sticks with the crowd flow.
My personal suspects are...all except Bookwyrm. Well, and I trust cristigale for some reason. She really didn't do anything anti-Town.
What puzzles me, is why drealmer7's lynch did not go through.
I guess, I find them scummy the most:
- drealmer7 - strange wagon, given peculiar scum's win condition; desired No-Lynch on the second half of D1
- trentonlf - eager to go after drealmer7, while keeping reasons on general level. I would expect Town-trentonlf to hunt more scum
- HypersomniacLive - lots of questioning means lots of fishing - for Good or for Evil? I would like to see him voting
- a4plz - "go with the flow" style is anti-Town; either has no opinion or chooses to hide it
- lotsofchickenwings - too many posts eaten, too less valuable in-game insights
- babark - where the hell is babark?
- flubbucket - same as always - master of scum in my eyes, so should be put under surveillance. Little posting, mostly jokes and echoes
Bookwyrm must be Town, cristigale looks Town and I trust her. HijacK sold me his stuff and I choose to believe about his RL stuff; does not strike me as scum yet. JMich is lying below average on the radar - I would expect him to be more vigilant. CSPVG...what are your actual reasons for lurking?
If I had to vote, I would vote a4plz for now. And I would also pay more attention to less active players, question them more. The situation now feels like there is a good, soft ground for scum to just lurk. I think a4plz is using that ground and the situation where drealmer7, HypersomniacLive, trentonlf and JMich argue with one another.
That's it, folks. Great game, kill those scum bastards!
Dear, oh mighty, mod, may I be replaced now?
If my opinion matters, I don't like lurkers (babark, lotsofchickenwings, a bit of a4plz). And they happen to be new players. Lurking makes them hard to read, so if either one (or all) of them are Town, they are playing in an anti-Town way. Should they be lynched? Not before interrogating them. If either of them is scum, they probably would have been told by buddies to participate some more, to not attract attention of lurking. Babark is still absent, lotsofckickenwings is having posts eaten (is he really?) and a4plz still sticks with the crowd flow.
My personal suspects are...all except Bookwyrm. Well, and I trust cristigale for some reason. She really didn't do anything anti-Town.
What puzzles me, is why drealmer7's lynch did not go through.
I guess, I find them scummy the most:
- drealmer7 - strange wagon, given peculiar scum's win condition; desired No-Lynch on the second half of D1
- trentonlf - eager to go after drealmer7, while keeping reasons on general level. I would expect Town-trentonlf to hunt more scum
- HypersomniacLive - lots of questioning means lots of fishing - for Good or for Evil? I would like to see him voting
- a4plz - "go with the flow" style is anti-Town; either has no opinion or chooses to hide it
- lotsofchickenwings - too many posts eaten, too less valuable in-game insights
- babark - where the hell is babark?
- flubbucket - same as always - master of scum in my eyes, so should be put under surveillance. Little posting, mostly jokes and echoes
Bookwyrm must be Town, cristigale looks Town and I trust her. HijacK sold me his stuff and I choose to believe about his RL stuff; does not strike me as scum yet. JMich is lying below average on the radar - I would expect him to be more vigilant. CSPVG...what are your actual reasons for lurking?
If I had to vote, I would vote a4plz for now. And I would also pay more attention to less active players, question them more. The situation now feels like there is a good, soft ground for scum to just lurk. I think a4plz is using that ground and the situation where drealmer7, HypersomniacLive, trentonlf and JMich argue with one another.
That's it, folks. Great game, kill those scum bastards!
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a4plz
Mafia dropout
Registered: Jan 2016
From Australia
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lotsofchickenwings
New User
Registered: Apr 2016
From United States
Posted May 07, 2016
Who had it in for Bookworm? Was he after anyone or a couple of people?
Still wondering why Drealmer7 wasn't killed - if he was such an easy target and not mafia - I think he easily could have gotten 3 mafia votes to lynch him.
Bookworm - what do you think about everything? Any crumbs for us when the time is right?
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Was Bookworm right on with HiJack or JMich? or Flub or Trent? Let's get this started,
Vote Trentonlf
Still wondering why Drealmer7 wasn't killed - if he was such an easy target and not mafia - I think he easily could have gotten 3 mafia votes to lynch him.
Bookworm - what do you think about everything? Any crumbs for us when the time is right?
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331
Was Bookworm right on with HiJack or JMich? or Flub or Trent? Let's get this started,
Vote Trentonlf
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a4plz
Mafia dropout
Registered: Jan 2016
From Australia
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agentcarr16
Vagabond
Registered: Mar 2014
From Canada
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lotsofchickenwings
New User
Registered: Apr 2016
From United States
Posted May 07, 2016
jmich - 466
dessimu - 478
drealmer7 - 489
Thanks. I had some bad quotes.
My # 504 was basically what i had posted was after
flubbucket - 445.
i read that "nothing for spectre to english. " line about 50 times. 1. because it was funny. 2. because that's when i was trying to post.
anyway -
Dessimu - thanks for calling me out a bunch to post. makes me think you townie. seriously, the scum are too busy passing the buck from themselves. sorry to see you leave.
Bookwyrm -190 also has been calling on people to contribute. I like that. Liked...that.
My general vibe is Trentwolf and HSL are scum. they just seem the most defensive to me. I'll acknowledge being influenced by some of Dessimu's take on things, but there's just been this vibe while reading them that feels scummy.
For history's sake: Bookworm first voted for drealmer7 - though mostly just to kick things off. Then Bookwork railed on a4plz. in 71 and the epic quad-vote in 43.
Begs the question, though - he did seem very townie. As in vanilla. Were mafia that scared of him to lynch him and get him out of the way, or did they really think he was a PR?
Bookwyrm - 179
"Unvote Drealmer.
Vote the Mayor.
Vote Agent.
Vote Krypsyn.
Vote count please." not a real vote.
Bookwyrm 203 - If i'm tracking correctly he next votes for Babark.
Bookwyrm627 280 votes for JMich, seems like he's mostly calling him to contribute
So Bookworym voted for: Drealmer7, a4plz, Babark, JMich.
I find it hard to believe that JMich would hit him out of spite. But could be. After compiling this, I'm not sure I'm any further ahead. I think a4plz was scared of Bookworym, but if a4plz is scum - would have really needed to convince the other 2 to lynch Bookworym.
....my theory: HSL / Trentwolf / Babark are scum.
Not sure why Bookworym didn't vote for Drealmer7. Can you elaborate @bookworm? (apologies for constantly misspelling). I didn't vote either, as my vote sat on a4plz, and had no computer access prior to the deadline. but we could have pushed Drealmer7 over the edge. Actually makes me think Drealmer7 is clean. Trentwolf and Trentwolf vote for Dreamler7 while HSL lies low not voting, so he isn't accused of lynch rushing. that - and it doesn't hurt for them to make it to night with a free pass.
dessimu - 478
drealmer7 - 489
Thanks. I had some bad quotes.
My # 504 was basically what i had posted was after
flubbucket - 445.
i read that "nothing for spectre to english. " line about 50 times. 1. because it was funny. 2. because that's when i was trying to post.
anyway -
Dessimu - thanks for calling me out a bunch to post. makes me think you townie. seriously, the scum are too busy passing the buck from themselves. sorry to see you leave.
Bookwyrm -190 also has been calling on people to contribute. I like that. Liked...that.
My general vibe is Trentwolf and HSL are scum. they just seem the most defensive to me. I'll acknowledge being influenced by some of Dessimu's take on things, but there's just been this vibe while reading them that feels scummy.
For history's sake: Bookworm first voted for drealmer7 - though mostly just to kick things off. Then Bookwork railed on a4plz. in 71 and the epic quad-vote in 43.
Begs the question, though - he did seem very townie. As in vanilla. Were mafia that scared of him to lynch him and get him out of the way, or did they really think he was a PR?
Bookwyrm - 179
"Unvote Drealmer.
Vote the Mayor.
Vote Agent.
Vote Krypsyn.
Vote count please." not a real vote.
Bookwyrm 203 - If i'm tracking correctly he next votes for Babark.
Bookwyrm627 280 votes for JMich, seems like he's mostly calling him to contribute
So Bookworym voted for: Drealmer7, a4plz, Babark, JMich.
I find it hard to believe that JMich would hit him out of spite. But could be. After compiling this, I'm not sure I'm any further ahead. I think a4plz was scared of Bookworym, but if a4plz is scum - would have really needed to convince the other 2 to lynch Bookworym.
....my theory: HSL / Trentwolf / Babark are scum.
Not sure why Bookworym didn't vote for Drealmer7. Can you elaborate @bookworm? (apologies for constantly misspelling). I didn't vote either, as my vote sat on a4plz, and had no computer access prior to the deadline. but we could have pushed Drealmer7 over the edge. Actually makes me think Drealmer7 is clean. Trentwolf and Trentwolf vote for Dreamler7 while HSL lies low not voting, so he isn't accused of lynch rushing. that - and it doesn't hurt for them to make it to night with a free pass.
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted May 07, 2016
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*takes notes*: HSL wants my posts to be LONGER. Got it. Seriously though, only so much time, ya know? I'ma get to it, it'd be grand if others did too, when they have time.
It'll probably be at least another 24 hours until I'm able to have a thorough look at everyone on my wagon and a post typed up about it. In the meantime the rest of you are more than welcome to play the game.
(I had this 3/4 typed 3 hours ago but just got it finished + proofread)
Ooo more contributions! locw has contributed! YAY!
babark? ooooooooooh babark??? *ruff ruff*
and umm, a4plz, any thoughts on anything at all? don't worry, I'm calm, I always seem to come off wayyy more intense than intended, HijacK knows he's slacking, I'm just kicking him in the pants a bit.
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted May 07, 2016
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So no, not a plan that I would seriously suggest we follow.
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cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted May 07, 2016
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1) It is pretty safe to assume that every NK is town.
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What's it like being a spectre?
Other thoughts to share but they'll need to wait until after some shut eye..