Posted May 31, 2016
Hey hey hey hey HEY! How come I don't get praised or criticized? How am I supposed to improve as a player when I get no feedback? I plan on getting that MVP award eventually. :P
HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
✓ Crucial Town power role
✓ First player lynched (again, again again)
✓ Every read was incorrect
✓ Cast the crucial, game-ending perma-vote against the last Town player, single-handedly losing the game for his team
...
All in a day's work, I'd say!
HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted May 31, 2016
✓ Crucial Town power role
✓ First player lynched (again, again again)
✓ Every read was incorrect
✓ Cast the crucial, game-ending perma-vote against the last Town player, single-handedly losing the game for his team
...
All in a day's work, I'd say!
cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
✓ Crucial Town power role
✓ First player lynched (again, again again)
✓ Every read was incorrect
✓ Cast the crucial, game-ending perma-vote against the last Town player, single-handedly losing the game for his team
...
All in a day's work, I'd say!
Speaking of good plays, @lotsofchickenwings - good job on your first game, hope you play again when things are not so heated.
Post edited May 31, 2016 by cristigale
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
...
All in a day's work, I'd say!
Perhaps he didn't want to lurk a gift horse in the mouth.
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
As for good plays, I think trentonlf did a good job convincing scum that he was the Exorcist. I was convinced Day 3 that he was the last power role, so he certainly duped me. ;)
Post edited May 31, 2016 by Krypsyn
HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted May 31, 2016
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
Truth is, you are not the best player around here, even though you might think so. There are and were much better players and most of them don't have the need to declare it constantly. And even when there are some not that good players, I would rather play with them as they are just more fun to play with.
There have been a few times where I have picked up on the feeling that others are thinking that is how I am, and is such a silly idea to me, that I have joked about it and "played into" it a little because I found it silly that people really thought I was being arrogant, and so I thought the best way to "remove" that was to "overplay" it in a joking way to kind of be like "I'm really not being that way, no one would be this way, it's ridiculous." I think that isn't understood it perpetuates the idea that I'm actually like that more? I'm not sure.
Then there was yogsloth's game where I was intentionally RPing a bit of a know-it-all, and think maybe people didn't realize I was RPing? I touted my exceptional logic (I was a logistics professor) and ended the game with something like "I know I'm smarter than all of you!", but, I wasn't serious. At all. And again, then there were times where I joked about it, and recognized that it came off as serious and so tried to joke about it over-board style to show that I wasn't serious.
(when I talk about "mad skillz" and tout my abilities, it's all tongue-in-cheek, folks! I intend it as sarcastic self-disparaging comments!)
I do listen to others (maybe I just don't show that I do enough?), I don't mean to demand that others listen to me more than I listen to them (it is a game of each listening to each other, after all, I really enjoy hearing other people's views, maybe I'll work on expressing that better too), and I never mean to mock and dismiss what others say. Sure, I will make a counter-argument as to why I think they're wrong. That's what we're supposed to do.
There are many many times when people disagree with me and I have no beef with their disagreements, I don't know why it seems like I do it ALL of the time. I seriously will try to cut down on the repetitive WOTs, simply make my case, and then let it drop.
There were multiple times in this game where I tried to be playful and keep things light, and no one seemed to want any of it.
Vitek, you say you found that town trent read of mine offensive. I really think you just don't understand my sarcasm and took it all wrong and that just makes me think that you completely understand me almost all of the time because you aren't picking up that I'm joking or trying to be light-hearted. I thought that post would lighten everything, be amusing, and get my point across in a playful and friendly-yet-cutting way. I mean, that's why it was the way it was, otherwise I thought it would have come off super dickish and so I really exaggerated it all. That's why I signed it the way I did. I...just...again, if I ever say anything anyone finds offensive, please just talk to me about it. I really don't mean to be a dick! I'm a nice guy, I swear! heh.
HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted May 31, 2016
Nahnahnahnahnah! People being nahnahnahnahnah! And I'm just sitting here like: No. Nahnahnahnahnah you!
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
high rated
The best thing to do is to read back what you write as if it was written by another person about you. Honestly ask yourself how you would react if the tables were turned. That is the best advice I can give you, or anyone else, on how not to be "a dick".
Before you quickly respond that you, of course, would take anything you wrote well, if directed at you, do read back some of your reactions in this game, and previous games, to other players when they have questioned your statements or actions.
edit:
And, for crying out loud. Just call yourself a dingleberry douche dong a couple times. I mean, you said you would, so you might as well man up. ;)
Before you quickly respond that you, of course, would take anything you wrote well, if directed at you, do read back some of your reactions in this game, and previous games, to other players when they have questioned your statements or actions.
edit:
And, for crying out loud. Just call yourself a dingleberry douche dong a couple times. I mean, you said you would, so you might as well man up. ;)
Post edited May 31, 2016 by Krypsyn
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
I barely said much of anything for quite a number of pages, if anything I was simply a little terse for no-lynch getting squashed so quickly by trent right after he said maybe it was viable (he later amended that he meant later in the game, but at first he just said it flat out), I also meant to unvote my no-lynch sooner than I did, and I also find it a little silly/dramatic that people respond to the proposition or voting for no-lynch SO drastically. If you don't want no-lynch to happen, fine, but don't treat it every time 1 single person proposes the idea that it is SO obviously anti-town and a bad idea. Not everyone always thinks that, that should be obvious, just like not everyone thinks lurking is offensively anti-town (which I find to actually be way more offensively anti-town than the idea of no lynch. No lynch is an option, after all.)
Then I kept getting badgered and poked and so I responded with some terseness, defending myself, poking back a bit, but I didn't really mean it to come off so harshly. To me, others were being harsher to me than I to them, and I simply use that stuff as a way to gauge scummy-ness and try to make it clear that I'm not trying to be rude. I will try to do better, for sure. I really don't want to come off as a dick/am not one!
Of course there are the couple posts to a4plz, but I again, I specifically say those are only if she is not scum. She was scum. bad town for not lynching her, that is all. yeah okay, mod could have prodded a bit more, but, still, the non-contribution lurking is something town can take into their own hands.
more to come later probably (gone rest of night, all tomorrow, though)!
OH! I'm a dingleberry douche dong , a dingleberry doucheee-dong., a dingleberry doodoo doodeedong! and I still can't find that I-D 10-T form. I stupid.
Post edited May 31, 2016 by drealmer7
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
I simply cannot express how proud I am to have passed "I am a dingleberry douche dong" into GOG mafia lore.
TheGOGfather
Mafia Admin
Registered: Nov 2011
From Italy
Posted May 31, 2016
high rated
I am afraid I will simply never see it this way. Different playstyles? Yes, absolutely. This is not only welcome, but necessary for enjoyable games. However, I simply will never see "refusing to play" as a valid playstyle. It's incomprehensible to me. There are many, many, many perfectly valid ways to play, but they all involve playing. Playing involves playing. Not playing involves not playing. Not playing is not a valid way to play, axiomatically.
I don't care if people who refuse to play get turned off by being called upon to play. Good. They can go find a game they're willing to play instead of the one they signed up for that they refuse to play. Good riddance.
I'm not saying everyone has to play like me. Play as differently from me as you want to. All I ask is that if you sign up - play. Play, period.
And if you won't, the only correct policy for town is to lynch you. Immediately. And get rid of you.
I do hope the last bit about "angerville" and the f-word weren't really for me, so I'll just forget about that part.
You joined this community of forum mafia players. We did not join you. If you will simply never see something a certain way, that is your prerogative. However, you have no right or authority to dictate whether something is welcome here or not. Your mandate calling something a valid playstyle is your opinion. Do not think you will foist it upon this community. If you don't like something, you should feel free to state such. But don't think you will come in here and decide whether a player will play a certain way or not.
If players are refusing to play due to an atmosphere of intolerance or malice, be assured we will deal with it.
If you cannot tolerate such things, feel free to move/play somewhere else. Voting or lynching a player due to lurking is also your choice. But do not attempt to create an hostile environment for players with different styles than yours.
"Play as differently as you want to" should be what you practice, not just what you preach.
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted May 31, 2016
Come to think of it, was I pretty much key in most of the lynches (or lack thereof)? You people probably shouldn't trust my reads quite so much. Facts I can do, people not so much.