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lotsofchickenwings: @drealmer. Loved his. "Omg - can you believe if I made all this work out and a4pkz and Babark were my scum buddies ?" Strongly leaning town - but don't like that he still seems one track mind on Trent. I just don't get it. Think about something new - not for our sake, but for yours.
I have thought about numerous things, so many things. I've thought about what-if adalia really was town, and who might be the 3 Evil if 3 still remain. I've thought about the likelihoods of everything at every angle I can think of and am at a point where I really am trying to make the best choice I think possible. Regardless of adalia, I still find it likely that trent and/or HSL are Evil, and have been thinking about who it could be if none of them are Evil. Anything is possible, and I still currently feel/think my vote is on the strongest person who has the most against them as I see it.

I've thought about yogsloth's whacked behavior, his unwillingness to make a case for anyone and just being pushy. I've thought about the spectre stuff, I've thought about babark, I've thought about JMich, I've thought about flub and locw, and RW too, and everything pertaining to them all that I can think of.

I'm thought out, I think, and unless someone else presents some new thoughts, I don't think that will change. I'll let everyone know if I have more thoughts about anything, you can all be certain of that, I think!
#1351 - Evil found out about Spectres in the Daybreak post.

#1378a - Lynched players become a Spectre at Nightfall. NKed players become a Spectre at Daybreak.

#1378b - I can't answer that.
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Bookwyrm627: So, some questions:

Yog: Are you an idiot? Are you still acting?

Anyone: Did Drealmer ever counter push on Dessimu during Day 1?

HSL: What meaning were you attempting to convey in post 1185? I didn't understand what you were trying to get across.

Chicken: What meaning were you attempting to convey in post 1196? I didn't understand what you were trying to get across.

JMich: do you think we have a round-about way of finding out which player(s) are more lynchable?

Post 1318: MY VERSION IS NUMBER ONE! GO ME!
My 1196.

In short. I hear the question HSL asks - if adaliabooks thought yogs had slipped - why call him out. Hindsight is 20/20. But it brought a lot of attention to adaliabooks. Would adaliabooks still be alive had he ( I used the right pronoun this time ) not called out a PR? And I think maybe. So the WINE question is "was adaliabooks trying to get yogs killed because he thought yogs was a liar? And Adaliabook spotted an error and reported it on behalf of town ". Or was adaliabooks taking advantage of the slip - making it seem too grave an error that only scum could make .... But new that yogs was either town or PR and wanted to have the town do his dirty work.

Either way - I think it made sense for town to lynch adaliabooks ... I just hope it wasn't an honest mistake by adaliabooks. But the more I think about it - it just seems mindless. If you think someone is scum you shout that from the rooftops , but if you think they are PR you shut the f up. Then again - I was very curious of yogs myself.

But - why absorb the NK if you are yogs ? Just to spare the EXOR one night ? I guess it was a noble sacrifice - but had he died during the day it wouldn't have been a sacrifice at all.

So @worym - I might not have clarified my original post - but perhaps what I'm thinking can spark something on you or others.
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agentcarr16: #1351 - Evil found out about Spectres in the Daybreak post.

#1378a - Lynched players become a Spectre at Nightfall. NKed players become a Spectre at Daybreak.

#1378b - I can't answer that.
OK - I don't what then.

It's after 10 PM in Wyrm-land, too, so probably no return there.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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lotsofchickenwings: ...
can you lay out your case against JMich for us?
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yogsloth: 1) I'll take it, but probably not
2) Nope, well, probably
3) BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
4) Use it or lose it to do the thing, yes this thing, but I don't think cristi could have done it, did she? Because she did something else too.
Sounds like you've got roughly the same list that we did, assuming you can correlate the first two to our descriptions.

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babark: You mean from no scum and 2 power roles dead to 1 scum and 2 power roles dead and a greater chance at the 3rd (through increased information and possible spectre powers)? Yeah, I don't see that as implausible at all. I didn't say I think that, I said it isn't implausible. There is no reason to dismiss it outright.
You mean scum decided to start killing scum, instead of just going after the last power role and winning? Scum doesn't need to know what the spectres can do if all the town power roles are dead.

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babark: Lets see...two spectres disappear in one night, and a mysterious new mechanic is revealed where lynchability of some people is increased. I suggest it could've been Cristi. You say "WHY DOES EVERYONE ASSUME IT IS CRIST?!"
...Okay, so what is your point, then? That Adalia increased lynchability of someone himself before getting exorcised, and then Cristi randomly disappeared for no reason at all?
I said "Cristi was offered as a reason, but Adalia as a reason was not so much as mentioned".

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babark: So the guy who had been hounding me the entire game, voting for me with every second vote, and whose lynching was secured by my vote is actually my scum teammate? :D
Makes sense! Way more than me just looking at the information at hand and inferring and assuming. What exactly is it that I know that couldn't be figured out otherwise? I had asked yogsloth to verify every spectre related assumption I made, and his answers were all "I don't know". So this makes it very interesting. How do you know, wyrm?
Adalia squirming on the hook and slinging votes around could simply be distancing. Something like "That guy couldn't be my scum buddy because I voted for him frequently. Never mind me wandering off to vote other people repeatedly."

I know things because I'm a spectre and I'm inquisitive. You pushing partial theories that seem rooted closely in fact is suspicious; a town you should likely be either closer or farther from the truth than you are. Not close to the truth, but ignoring another aspect of it.

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yogsloth: You're that certain? I hope you're right, but if you make adalia and babark both scum... RW and drealmer... who is the 3rd scumbo and who is just hanging out by the burrito truck screaming at passing clouds?
Sometimes, you just have to roll the dice. I haven't dismissed Drealmer as the third. He's certainly done enough screaming.

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yogsloth: Well, I’m not. Adalia gets lynched, so yes, he knows he’s headed for ghostville right away. But how do you know he got a fruit basket? How do you know he wouldn’t get that unless he survived exorcism?
Look at the Day 2 opening post. Everyone that dies becomes a spectre and has choices. Think about deadlines and losses. Look at what Agent announced mid-Day, and think about the conversation cristi and I had.

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yogsloth: Fair enough. I’ve been called worse. Usually twice before breakfast. But do I get to know what you mean here? Do you have some way of knowing it’s a Townie who has the five-vote lynch?
Understanding dawns! (in your next post)

I don't know for certain, but that's where the likelihood seems to point.
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lotsofchickenwings: But - why absorb the NK if you are yogs ? Just to spare the EXOR one night ? I guess it was a noble sacrifice - but had he died during the day it wouldn't have been a sacrifice at all.
I had absolute faith in my ability to dodge the lynch.

I really felt I could soak the nightkill.

And then, like Obi-Wan, come back more powerful than EVAR!

One out of two ain't bad.
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agentcarr16: #1351 - Evil found out about Spectres in the Daybreak post.

#1378a - Lynched players become a Spectre at Nightfall. NKed players become a Spectre at Daybreak.

#1378b - I can't answer that.
HSL:
"- Does a Mafia player continue to scum-chat with their buddies if they've become a Spectre? "

A "I can't answer that" doesn't always equate to the affirmative, but let's look at it logically - if cristigale was still able to use her coroner reveal power even though a spectre, wouldn't it make sense that scum could still use their powers even as a spectre? and what is their power? night chat, right?

Therefore - whoever was asking "how could adaliabooks have told babark....." if adaliabooks could still night chat then your answer is right there.

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yogsloth: They get lynched? Do I feel bad now?

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Bookwyrm627: 4) Babark knows too much and is scum. Adalia is the only one that could have told him. Cristi, Yog, and I didn't die until daybreak, and Hijack was town.
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yogsloth: How do you know we didn't die until daybreak? I have nothing about that. I certainly wasn't given "all night to specter it up" before day broke. Just BAM, you're dead, game's back on, just like every other game.

Do you know something concrete we don't know? What mechanism would give you that info? Even if adalia were scum, how would he communicate anything to a scumbuddy after death? You confident he could scumchat after being killed?
Hey, Wyrm is here! Way to sacrifice sleep for the team, pal.

OK, so, I dunno. Your theory is adalia gave us a parting shot with option #4? And then coached babark in scumchat?

Could be, could be. I guess.

What have you done thus far? How much pizza you got left?
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yogsloth: Hey, Wyrm is here! Way to sacrifice sleep for the team, pal.

OK, so, I dunno. Your theory is adalia gave us a parting shot with option #4? And then coached babark in scumchat?

Could be, could be. I guess.

What have you done thus far? How much pizza you got left?
and if "this thing" (yogs 1380) was the no need for majority - babark did seem game to try killing some people to. although - that was pretty much yogs idea.... hmmmmm...

this is fascinating.
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yogsloth: What have you done thus far? How much pizza you got left?
I peeked on Flub in the shower. Sexy. Also, he didn't kill you.
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HypersomniacLive: This is, as drealmer7 would say, misrepresenting (at best) what adaliabooks said in his post #817 [emphasis added]:
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JMich: Did you also read adalia's previous posts, or just 817? Take a look at 744, 753, 786 and 809. Then tell me that adalia is saying that HijacK and cristi being scum is the "off chance".
There's also 789 to look in, where he does a bit of backtracking saying that he's 98% convinced they are town PRs, but seeing how said post also contains a mana reference, I'm not sure if I should take that at face value or not.

But yeah, latch on one post to make a case of "misrepresentation".

P.S. Are you sure the "almost" part of post 477 only applies to the verified part, or could it apply to the other two adjectives (almost unlynchable, almost unkillable) as well? Or do you think I somehow knew about spectres being unkillable, and wish me to explain how I did so? And are you sure that's a good idea?
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lotsofchickenwings: ...
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drealmer7: can you lay out your case against JMich for us?
trent talked about this in 905
HSL talked about this in (more than 35 or 40 posts)

JMich seems to be defending adaliabooks for a long time. WINE obviously - but i don't think i've seen JMich defend so many people....so why adaliabooks?

and then the "And are you sure that's a good idea? " What is that? Is that a threat? Is that a soft claim? I didn't want to get into it much earlier, in the event it was a soft claim, but I don't think any townie would pull such a thing. If he is the exorcist, then f me - but I really don't see that as anything other than manipulating and bullying, not to mention a boneheaded move if he actually is. Then I guess the WINE goes back to yogs - is JMich simply trying to sacrifice himself for the greater good?

also, :

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JMich: agentcarr, can drealmer edit post 1307 to close that bold tag? It really hurts my eyes :/

@yogs
Can you please explain your plan once more. From what I read, it basically boils down to "the five townies vote one person, said person won't be lynched with 5 votes unless he's scum", and I really pray I'm misreading the plan. If that is indeed the plan, it has more holes than a net.
I know you - drealmer - have looked at the holes in Yogs "lets just try this new option out." And i've mentioned it too - that I'm listening, but i never officially agreed as it seems so aggressive at this point and we aren't guaranteed it only targets scum - especially with woym / yogs talking now and suggesting that adaliabooks might have chosen "this thing."

Perhaps I'm coming at it biased, since I've been thinking JMich scum for a while - but the tone seems to be less logical and more subtly "holy sh*t - they couldn't possibly just try getting another vote or two on me...because then i'd die as scum." And yes - that's JMich's conscious verbatim :)
My thought is that Evil spectre's, if/when they exist, can use night-chat until "removed" by the exorcist completely...

However, what can't be known is if anyone who is Evil knows that for certain or not, and if they don't know it or just aren't/weren't confident in that being possible, I could very much see them coaching Evil-buddies to do certain things in the game thread before a lynch/in case they ever do get lynched, etc.

JMich, give it to us straight as you can, do you or did you at the time think adalia should be defended/is/was Good, and is that what you were doing? Or did you make a mistake interpreting what he was doing/trying to do, perhaps? Or what?

Further, JMich, can you tell us some things from your view? Obviously you're voting trent, but can you tell us more about who you think other Evil might be, or anyone that you have leaning town? anything else of note you think we should be considering?
I see we are still all sitting around pointing fingers at one another and getting nowhere. It seems the spectres are trying to help us, but it really comes down to us getting off our asses and coming to a consensus.

So flub, HSL, and LOCW who are you most willing to vote for as most likely scum? Right now the consensus is between me and JMich, all I can tell you is I'm not the one you want to lynch. If JMich is not the one we can agree on who do you think we should go for? I still suspect JMich, RW, babark, or drealmer as most likely scum.

Dragging this thing out till the deadline is pointless. Vote for who you think is the scummiest and we move on from there, not voting does nothing to help town so just VOTE.
Back from work and caught up...
Were scum told whether spectres could be NK'd in any other way than the Day 2 clarification post?

@Bookwyrm Regarding Post #663. I read that to mean you were told that scum were made aware spectres could not be NK'd prior to the mod post in the middle of Day 2, right? Because that really could be important...

@HSL Funny how you also leave out that Adalia also seemed to have such advance knowledge...why are you claiming to be so sure no scum are dead again? Sure seemed to take you a long time finding the right post to make a case, huh? Let's see what Bookwyrm can add...

Bookwyrm, you would know and are clearly town...if you are right, Adalia pulled some fine distancing. Circling back to vote him 3 times...wow!
Unvote HSL
Vote Babark

Main reason I was willing to go along with Yog's lynch test, figured after a close vote yesterday, we'd have a heck of a time even getting close to a majority. His plan at least gave us a chance at a good lynch, but if Adalia played a role in it...yeah, let's rethink that.