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Posted May 17, 2016
And apparently I managed to erase the part of my post that was a response to this:

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drealmer7: Totally understandable, but moreso I am really disappointed in Good for the D2 lynch than the no-lynch on D1 (objectively, seperate from the fact that mine was the only viable wagon, it could have been anyone's and I'd feel the same way right now, unless I viewed them as Evil D1.) It was a huge blunder, imo, and it should have never been allowed to happen, and despite a4plz being the ignorant hammerer, it is the veterans that should have known better than to let that happen (though I'm still not a proponent of L-2 claims AT ALL.) It was pretty damn obvious HijacK was the Herbalist, and I don't know how blind little horrible player me was the only one to pick up on it (except for the Evil who did.)
Humour me and please point what exactly it was that HijacK did or said that made it obvious he was not only a Power role, but specifically the Herbalist?
And how if it was so obvious 7 of us missed it completely (I'm not ruling out that some on the wagon were scum and therefore may have guessed he was a PR, but even you have to admit that cristi and Bookwyrm aren't scum)?

And if you were so sure and convinced he was the Herbalist why didn't you say as much to try and prevent his lynch instead of whining on about how he was sooooo town, for doing jack all?
Posted May 17, 2016
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JMich: New information posted requires me to reevaluate my position. Sticking to the same belief without evaluating new evidence is bad. [...]
That was no the part that raised my eyebrow.


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JMich: I'm always a bit paranoid when there are unknown roles and/or powers in play. I do want to think of the worst case scenario so I'm not blindsided. Yes, those scenarios do usually end up being too far fetched and usually discarded.
The spectres have powers we are not aware of. We only have the descriptions cristi and wyrm used when talking to one another, and the hint that they may be the same powers for all spectres. I have encountered before powers that allowed one to post messages through the mod, though I don't think it probable that this is the case in this game.
Since you're all about taking every possible angle and scenario into account - when you first thought about this, and put it together with everything else we know about the game setup, the mechanics, roles, the N0 scum-chat window, did you think that Town still has a realistic chance, even if very small, of actually winning this?
Posted May 17, 2016
OK, I don't want anymore adalia.

I'm warming up to JMich.



Boing boing boing.
Posted May 17, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: Since you're all about taking every possible angle and scenario into account - when you first thought about this, and put it together with everything else we know about the game setup, the mechanics, roles, the N0 scum-chat window, did you think that Town still has a realistic chance, even if very small, of actually winning this?
Tried to do quick calculations, proved to be too complicated, will have to do a proper calculations later. Gut feeling is that town has slightly less than 50% chance to win the game, since town can afford maybe one mislynch, yet scum need only get lucky once. So it's a case similar to my game, where killing one character would end the game, no matter what had happened so far.
Posted May 17, 2016
Can we be at one of those moments where I say, "hey everybody lets totally all make a vote and talk and stuff but vote first out k lololol?" and everybody ignores me and just rambles on aimlessly anyway?

Let's be at that point.

I'll start:

Vote JMich
Posted May 17, 2016
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yogsloth: Can we be at one of those moments where I say, "hey everybody lets totally all make a vote and talk and stuff but vote first out k lololol?" and everybody ignores me and just rambles on aimlessly anyway?

Let's be at that point.

I'll start:

Vote JMich
Voting is something we don't do enough of for sure.

Unvote drealmer
Vote JMich
Posted May 17, 2016
I would still vote for JMich, though babark is my preferred candidate. Let's see how this goes.


Also, @Bookwyrm, your avatar broke the forum... :P
Posted May 17, 2016
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JMich: Tried to do quick calculations, proved to be too complicated, will have to do a proper calculations later. Gut feeling is that town has slightly less than 50% chance to win the game, since town can afford maybe one mislynch, yet scum need only get lucky once. So it's a case similar to my game, where killing one character would end the game, no matter what had happened so far.
Just to be sure - the "this" in my question refers to the mechanic of Spectres messing with mod-posts you suggested; if this is your answer to my actual question, I'd like to see those proper calculations.
Otherwise, I'd like an answer to my actual question with whatever you got to back it up besides "It would make for an unbalanced and potentially bastard game. What was agent's description of his game again?".



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yogsloth: Can we be at one of those moments where I say, "hey everybody lets totally all make a vote and talk and stuff but vote first out k lololol?" and everybody ignores me and just rambles on aimlessly anyway?

Let's be at that point.

I'll start:

Vote JMich
Care to give reasons? Besides "lynch someone already" and "KILL KILL KILL KILL", or anything else along those lines.
Posted May 17, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: Care to give reasons? Besides "lynch someone already" and "KILL KILL KILL KILL", or anything else along those lines.
Well, I have rumor and hearsay. Those are kinds of evidence.

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adalia did a thing that I'm not gonna say that if he's scum, I'd be surprised. If he's scum, good fer him, but I was waitin' fer something and another something and basically got it. So I'm off him, probably for good, even though I don't think he handled himself so great earlier. Yes, that probably means he's Mafia Godfather Nazi Cannibal Corspegrinder Bulletproof Berzerker all along, yeah, I get it. But I'm off him. Burn me later if I'm wrong.

JMich has been very opportunistic. Don't like it.
Posted May 17, 2016
I messed up my quote.

Was supposed to be:

"Well, Your Honor. We have plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence."
Posted May 17, 2016
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yogsloth: [...]

JMich has been very opportunistic. Don't like it.
Elaborate on this?
Posted May 17, 2016
Well, that resulted in more discussion than I thought. Yes, the mod's post was what I referred to. As the coroner, I had the ability to have the mod share my results, but it was limited in use.
Posted May 17, 2016
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JMich: My argument stems from your "You lynch me, town loses" line. It did read like a desperate attempt of the last surviving scum to be kept alive. The mod confirmed coroner report means you are not the last surviving scum, thus everything had to be re-evaluated.
Adalia was the last surviving scum, but maybe he isn't.
You seem to mention elsewhere that maybe Adalia is scum, even if not the last surviving scum.

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JMich: Tried to do quick calculations, proved to be too complicated, will have to do a proper calculations later. Gut feeling is that town has slightly less than 50% chance to win the game, since town can afford maybe one mislynch, yet scum need only get lucky once. So it's a case similar to my game, where killing one character would end the game, no matter what had happened so far.
And here, there is only one scum.

How do you reconcile the idea of one scum? There is no need for a scum chat N0 if there is only one scum. There is no way for a scum spectre to exist, because the game ends upon the single scum's death.

JMich, you make my head hurt.

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adaliabooks: Also, @Bookwyrm, your avatar broke the forum... :P
Huh. Maybe that's why it's been close to 4 weeks, and my avatar still hasn't updated. XD
Posted May 17, 2016
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yogsloth: [...]

JMich has been very opportunistic. Don't like it.
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HypersomniacLive: Elaborate on this?
He flipped votes around a bunch, and more than that, seems to be casting shade around where it seems likely to stick.

I made a big WRRRROOOAOARRRRR adalia push and I don't like the way he rolled around in it.

I also demanded a peanut-butter sandwich and he handed me a pickle.
Posted May 17, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: Just to be sure - the "this" in my question refers to the mechanic of Spectres messing with mod-posts you suggested; if this is your answer to my actual question, I'd like to see those proper calculations.
Ah, thank you, it seems we still have trouble communicating.
No, the ~50% for town to win (40-60 may be closer) is without assuming the spectres can post mod messages.

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cristigale: As the coroner, I had the ability to have the mod share my results, but it was limited in use.
Wait, what? You had the ability as the coroner, yet you used it while a spectre? I thought spectres lost their original powers.

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JMich: Tried to do quick calculations, proved to be too complicated, will have to do a proper calculations later. Gut feeling is that town has slightly less than 50% chance to win the game, since town can afford maybe one mislynch, yet scum need only get lucky once. So it's a case similar to my game, where killing one character would end the game, no matter what had happened so far.
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Bookwyrm627: And here, there is only one scum.
Where do I mention one scum in those calculations? If the exorcist dies, scum win. If one scum dies, game continues. The one character refers to the last PR.
Verdict still out on whether adalia is scum or not, but he most likely isn't last scum (most likely refers to my question to cristi higher in this post).

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yogsloth: He flipped votes around a bunch, and more than that, seems to be casting shade around where it seems likely to stick.
Flipped votes around a bunch? Seriously?
I had one vote on HSL. I then moved that vote to adalia. I temporarily removed the vote to allow cristi to ask some questions. I then put the vote back. Once mod posted coroner's results, I removed the vote.
And who have I been casting shade towards?
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