Posted December 05, 2019
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted December 05, 2019
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted December 06, 2019
Is everybody alright?
agentcarr16
Vagabond
Registered: Mar 2014
From Canada
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other
Posted December 06, 2019
Hi Agent. How does it feel being dead?
I've no further inputs since the last time I posted, mainly waiting for RW and Lift like the rest of us.
I've no further inputs since the last time I posted, mainly waiting for RW and Lift like the rest of us.
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted December 06, 2019
That's disappointing...
First, I didn't and don't have another Role Cop, but I did have an action last night. We might be at LyLo. Is this the time people should claim? Or at least claim actions they have made thus far so we can piece this thing together?
First, I didn't and don't have another Role Cop, but I did have an action last night. We might be at LyLo. Is this the time people should claim? Or at least claim actions they have made thus far so we can piece this thing together?
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other
Posted December 06, 2019
I like the way this is going down. I'm actually interested why you need us to claim so you can piece this thing together. And how come this single action is giving you the idea that we might be at LyLo (or at least you imply it is)? Found something relating to Joe for instance?
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted December 06, 2019
I don't know we are at LyLo, but barring yet another neutral role, we are either at 4-1 or 3-2. And sadly what I learned isn't definitive or I'd come straight out with it. I wish it were that easy. I'm not trying to overplay its value. It's a piece of the puzzle.
I'm asking what people think about revealing given we may or may not be on the brink.
Let's put it this way. I monitored someone in one of the usual ways. My result will either match claims of actions or inactions. Maybe I know someone moved. Maybe I know where no one visited. If someone makes a claim that doesn't match what I know, I've got them. But it's also possible any action or inaction claims don't conflict.
I'm also hoping if we put our cards on the table, we get a better sense or can limit the field further. That said, I appreciate there is risk if it's 4-1 that a mass reveal might help a lone Kitsune.
Maybe I'm overthinking the potential value of this, we'll see.
What we have so far: (taken with the appropriate grains of salt)
Night 1: RWarehall claims to have visited Joe and Joe claims to be Vanilla Town agreeing he has no role. Dedo claims to visit RFG attempting to jail him and was blocked . Joe claims to have stayed home (vanilla). Someone killed ZFR.
Night 2: Dedo claims to have jailed RWarehall who agrees he was jailed. No one was killed.
Night 3: RWarehall claims to have visited someone. Someone killed Agent (or else Agent died protecting someone else).
Maybe if we can add to this, we can learn something more even if there is no smoking gun.
I'm asking what people think about revealing given we may or may not be on the brink.
Let's put it this way. I monitored someone in one of the usual ways. My result will either match claims of actions or inactions. Maybe I know someone moved. Maybe I know where no one visited. If someone makes a claim that doesn't match what I know, I've got them. But it's also possible any action or inaction claims don't conflict.
I'm also hoping if we put our cards on the table, we get a better sense or can limit the field further. That said, I appreciate there is risk if it's 4-1 that a mass reveal might help a lone Kitsune.
Maybe I'm overthinking the potential value of this, we'll see.
What we have so far: (taken with the appropriate grains of salt)
Night 1: RWarehall claims to have visited Joe and Joe claims to be Vanilla Town agreeing he has no role. Dedo claims to visit RFG attempting to jail him and was blocked . Joe claims to have stayed home (vanilla). Someone killed ZFR.
Night 2: Dedo claims to have jailed RWarehall who agrees he was jailed. No one was killed.
Night 3: RWarehall claims to have visited someone. Someone killed Agent (or else Agent died protecting someone else).
Maybe if we can add to this, we can learn something more even if there is no smoking gun.
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
Posted December 06, 2019
Noice!
So did I. And it was exactly what you thought. Also, hands off!
Jokes aside. I also believe it's wise to assume LyLo and I'd say we are now at the point where everyone should claim fully.
I'm OK with what RW said so far and am also OK with having others (Lift and Pooka) share theirs before he shares the rest. In my opinion (feel free to argue against that) our working theory should be that there are 2 Kitsune and this is do or die. Full claims should be done and nothing should be kept back. That one extra action that was kept secret is useless when you lost the game before you got the chance to make use of it.
Is this yet another refusal to claim?
So did I. And it was exactly what you thought. Also, hands off!
Jokes aside. I also believe it's wise to assume LyLo and I'd say we are now at the point where everyone should claim fully.
I'm OK with what RW said so far and am also OK with having others (Lift and Pooka) share theirs before he shares the rest. In my opinion (feel free to argue against that) our working theory should be that there are 2 Kitsune and this is do or die. Full claims should be done and nothing should be kept back. That one extra action that was kept secret is useless when you lost the game before you got the chance to make use of it.
Is this yet another refusal to claim?
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other
Posted December 06, 2019
No, I did not say anything about not claiming, only being wary about giving RW what he wants on a platter of silver. I'm just afraid he'll pull off a HSL.
Speaking of claims, I've got no problems claiming (before or after Lift).
@everyone Tell us whether you want me or Lift to go first.
Speaking of claims, I've got no problems claiming (before or after Lift).
@everyone Tell us whether you want me or Lift to go first.
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted December 06, 2019
I like that RW is claiming Jack-Of-All-Trades. It's the conclusion I came to after I posted This Post, but before I posted This Post.
The relevant areas of the post are :
First:
JoeSapphire: Regarding RW:
He's making the argument "Why would I claim Role Cop when I didn't need to?"
Well why did he? He started arguing with pooka after his claim that the less the scum knew about his role, the better. He drew little conclusion from his investigation of me, so it wasn't particularly worth sharing - in fact if he'd have kept it to himself he held on to the possibilty that he could counter-claim me later on if I tried to lie about a role...
Also -
JoeSapphire: which maybe implies that RW was trying to leave his room... not that I should read too much into the flavour.
Wouldn't it be great if I'd made up that thing about Trent including flavour for blocked people even if they're not using powers? But I didn't. Does anybody who knows of older games of Trent's fancy seeing if he's ever NOT included flavour for a blocked character who's not actioning? Second:
JoeSapphire: Yes, it only occurred to me since I made the long post that RW never claimed 'one-shot role cop' but just said he had a 'one-shot role cop ability' so him trying to act at night wouldn't be such a contradiction as I thought. I was thinking "Why would Town One-Shot Rolecop RW volunteer the claim One-Shot Rolecop with little information, then refuse to give any further information on the grounds that it keeps scum guessing?"
I thought "Scum One-Shot Rolecop RW might volunteer the claim with little information to give himself credence, then baulk at giving more information - or pretend to be concerned with sharing of information."
But when I realised that RW never actually claimed Rolecop, and I decided only three things made sense:
1 - RW is Town Jack-Of-All-Trades and has more to his role which he's keeping secret (I decided this was likely)
2 - RW is Town One-Shot Rolecop and is trying to bluff the mafias (I counted this as unlikely)
3 - RW is scum.
So I decided to trust that RW was Town Jack-of-All-Trades and see where that got us for another day.
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I DON'T like that RW is claiming that he used some observation role - if his hope is to catch someone out in a lie, surely he's just put the mafia in a position that they wouldn't dare lie?
I understand a Town observation role wanting to reveal the action after others claimed, but if you had to make that case, saying "I observed someone so I need to claim last" is surely counter-productive? Better to claim your role and state that you'd rather hear others' roles and actions before you reveal? There's a risk you'll be thought to be scum trying to buy time, but you're always going to have that risk.
Hm...
Stating that argument I kinda lost faith in it as I went along. Maybe what RW's done does make sense... Maybe I shouldn't have called for info from him first...
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I like that Pooka and Lift are bringing dedo's alignment into question without much conviction.
The relevant areas of the post are :
First:
He's making the argument "Why would I claim Role Cop when I didn't need to?"
Well why did he? He started arguing with pooka after his claim that the less the scum knew about his role, the better. He drew little conclusion from his investigation of me, so it wasn't particularly worth sharing - in fact if he'd have kept it to himself he held on to the possibilty that he could counter-claim me later on if I tried to lie about a role...
Also -
Wouldn't it be great if I'd made up that thing about Trent including flavour for blocked people even if they're not using powers? But I didn't. Does anybody who knows of older games of Trent's fancy seeing if he's ever NOT included flavour for a blocked character who's not actioning?
I thought "Scum One-Shot Rolecop RW might volunteer the claim with little information to give himself credence, then baulk at giving more information - or pretend to be concerned with sharing of information."
But when I realised that RW never actually claimed Rolecop, and I decided only three things made sense:
1 - RW is Town Jack-Of-All-Trades and has more to his role which he's keeping secret (I decided this was likely)
2 - RW is Town One-Shot Rolecop and is trying to bluff the mafias (I counted this as unlikely)
3 - RW is scum.
So I decided to trust that RW was Town Jack-of-All-Trades and see where that got us for another day.
---
I DON'T like that RW is claiming that he used some observation role - if his hope is to catch someone out in a lie, surely he's just put the mafia in a position that they wouldn't dare lie?
I understand a Town observation role wanting to reveal the action after others claimed, but if you had to make that case, saying "I observed someone so I need to claim last" is surely counter-productive? Better to claim your role and state that you'd rather hear others' roles and actions before you reveal? There's a risk you'll be thought to be scum trying to buy time, but you're always going to have that risk.
Hm...
Stating that argument I kinda lost faith in it as I went along. Maybe what RW's done does make sense... Maybe I shouldn't have called for info from him first...
---
I like that Pooka and Lift are bringing dedo's alignment into question without much conviction.
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other