This was already covered not long ago by HSL. They get nothing until the next night. You caught up, right?

When I was a kid my mom didn't pay me for being good.



So I was good for nuthin'.

I took a logic class once. It had this as an example:

"A grilled cheese sandwich is better than nothing. Nothing is better than God. Therefore, a grilled cheese sandwich is better than God."

His question, and the answer to it, are what triggered this question.

-HSL asked whether a Convert has full access to the chat. That could be read as having Read/Write access.
-The answer was that they only get access on the following night. That could be read as they can't even see the thread on the night (and following day) that they get converted.

I want to clarify whether a convert has read access for the Day after being converted. I'd been assuming they'd get the link to the (now closed) QT when they are informed they've been converted; they could read it that Day, but they couldn't post themselves until the following Night.

Ah, miss being the one being quoted in such posts. I'll need to up my game to be deserving of that I suppose.

Interesting thing to say, but it looks like those Kyrpsyn points won't be mine :(

@bookwyrm What do you make of flub's play in general?

Also thinking further on scum teams actions if flub lives I am not entirely convinced it can bind scum to act in a way. Could post more if people want me to but in short I think it can lead to a scenario where scum would risk being killed to convert others so that flub makes it to d2 and we're not sure if his alignment has stayed the same or changed. Since there are no investigative roles it will be up to flub to convince us that he's not been converted or get lynched on d2 instead. Could be seen as postponing the inevitable and I could be wrong though, willing to hear out what others think of this.

Generally a prisoners dilemma problem as I had referenced in my previous post goes little something like this - there's 2 people caught for a crime but evidence is scant so police will need a confession to really prosecute them. Then they isolate both these prisoners and offer them a deal that if they talk and the other guy talks as well it'll be 1 year prison sentence for both. If you talk and other doesn't, then you'll get no jail time whereas the other gets 3 years jail time and vice versa. Then in final case if both of you don't talk then both of you will have to serve 2 years in prison. I feel that it applies here because both scum teams are being pushed to take a similar action, whereas the payoff in the former example is in terms of prison time here it will be a bit more in terms of risk they have to take by converting an unknown entity or sticking with a known entity with limited lifespan either because of suspicion on d2 or both scum teams choosing flub.
Here is a wikipedia link for the interested ones as I feel I did a shoddy job in terms of applying that concept here.

Can't beat that logic

Yes. Although, while my votes may have been no less annoying to certain people, at least they were entirely predictable (until the end condition was met).

So you have a strong reason to believe that trent is scum? Still isn't very much different from your other votes unless you explain why you'd think that.

Since conversions make the Cult significantly more powerful already, converts will not get any access to the chat until the following Night. So they have to 'fly blind' the first Day.

vote count will follow in an hour or so.

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I will not double post again!

where did I say that scum will be able to pick which kind of target they're going to hit?
reread #319 and it's certainly not in there...

yes the first is better, but if you want hypothetical scenarios: if the two nk are masons but the one nk and one conversion is two vanillas, then the second option is better.

I haven't asked that. Never will. But you just know that? how?

Trust in masons, is what krypsyn says. They'll know.

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Now for something fun :) ... D'n'D? or Cat Videos? oh, I know let's play mafia!

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his being scum or not, doesn't change anything in that context. But sure, seems he is in the "would lynch townie, if possible" category...

may or not. who knows.

This is a good point. I asked for your reads before. Now I think is a good a time as any to go on record.
Do you think flub is scum or town, right now?
If you think he is town, do you intend to vote for him?
Who do you think is scum this dusk? ... remember you never know what happens at night, you might want to go on record, before night hits, because no one knows who'll wake up again tomorrow...

true. don't know that I have though. He lists players as if they are backing his thoughts, but I'm the only one averse to them. I just wanted to show, that their backing doesn't go so far as to vote accordingly.

nope, the recruiter dies. see the setup.

to my knowledge no-one did play against his current goal in #51. Do you mean bookwyrm or flubs? they're in this game too, we should ask them.
@flubs, @bookwyrm: Did either of you play against your own win condition last game, in the hopes of acquiring other win conditions someday and to not hurt those?

true. though there was not much to read from bookwyrm, yet was there? and the truth of it is still, that it's simply false to state, I'd only OMGUSed adalia and dedo all game, wouldn't you say?

But mostly. Remember: even, when we have a conversion tonight, you can in no way be sure it was flubs. Could just as well be you getting converted. We'll have to reassert everyone. flubs included, but not only flubs.

what?

I was talking to him. I feel it brings the point across better. As in: I know something, You know something, other people will know something, too. If he thinks about it and knows something, he'll concede other people probably know something, too.
simply rethoric....

They read the thread, same as we do. it doesn't take a genius to form opinions about people from the way they talk. Scum do that. Doesn't make the Ideas correct, but do you really, seriously suggest scums only option is flubs? They won't consider others?

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yes it does. it removes one conversion from the game forever. Only four conversions can happen this game. With adalia dead, it's only 3

how so?

*emphasis added*
it is in the gamesetup. My premise is: scum can read. nothing has changed by that comment.

lol, ok good you're enforcing your seat in my scumreadlist #3. How is it that flub needs to die now, that you realized he can trip up scum?
let's say he's scum then scum(teamB) can die by neglecting the possibility. let's say he's town, scum can die by trying to convert him(N2) (or loose their shot for nothing(N1))
How exactly is it that flub has to be lynched now and can't be left for scum to trip over?

yes, and that makes it better to lynch town how?

look again! the second one: see what he answers to :

"mchack: ... I think we all play this game to win and that includes flubs, too"
"flubbucket: MOAR BULLSHIT!!!11!!1

This is a game.

I play games for fun."

EBWOP (linking fail)

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Well, you could simply say European late afternoon/evening and that still wouldn't be a precise deadline. It is of course up to you, it's just that I'd like to be around for EoD, and European late morning/noon doesn't work for me. May not work for those across the pond either, but not speaking for them.


Then the Convert's PM in the setup document is misleading, as it currently gives them the link to the QT.

Why would I ever do such a thing??

I will not double post again!

the "get lynched on D2 part" and "could be seen as postponing the inevitable" is what bothers me, sure it may be the case. or not. Maybe the actually converted player slips up. and we lynch him. or we get interesting info by the flips and go after someone revealed by that? there is more than one scum out there and we should go after the scummiest. if that happens to be flubs D2 ok. if not why force it, to make him to lynch? we can't be postponing the inevitable, if nothing in this setup is inevitable. We'll have to go day by day and react, to the new info we get through each lynch and each flip. Everyday trying to hit scum. that's the way to win in my opinion.