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This is my favourite topic
Posted October 23, 2017
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dedoporno: @mchack, I haven't read your entire post, I'll do it later when I get back home but this is out of the context of the game. You might want to consider turning it down a notch since your tone and way of addressig others is starting to become inpolite.
it is? sorry then. this is not my intention. I know it's just a game. I know there will be others and I know, I will want to talk and have fun with everyone after this game too. So if I have personally insulted or offended anyone: Sorry. I don't mean the person sitting behind the keyboard, you are a great guy/gal.
It's all about the characters on the ship talking, never the real persons behind. And I apologize, if anyone felt I insulted personally.
Posted October 23, 2017

Unvote flub
Vote adaliabooks
Posted October 23, 2017
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trentonlf:
Unvote flub
Vote adaliabooks
thank you :)
Posted October 23, 2017
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ZFR: [...] why did you still not hammer adalia? [...]
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HypersomniacLive: While his post #464 raised my eyebrow for more than one reasons, would it have been the hammer had he voted adaliabooks earlier?
Sorry, you're right I miscounted. adalia needed 2 votes.

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flubbucket: I hear grass fed beef is quite tasty.......or are you mutton??
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HypersomniacLive: Ooooor...
My thoughts too.
trent, you were very vocal about not voting flub when he was close to being lynched. Your words:
"I have a feeling flub will be the lynch today because once that wagon gets to 5 votes I don’t see it stopping, but it will not have my vote on it."

Then, when flub was no longer in the lead, and it was adalia who was closest, you suddenly without any reason changed your vote to flub, despite that by your own words, adalia was scummy too.

So, did you actually want flub to be lynched while at the same time you could stay clean and go "I told you so! I was against flub lynching!" next day? Back when it seemed he would be lynched anyway? But when you realized that chances of lynching him are slipping away, you had to take matters into your own hands?

I'll admit I don't know "who came out better" in adalia/mchack discussion, why is Krypsyn voting the way he is, the reasons behind flub's actions and what to make out of Sage's, Bookwyrm's silence. But for the first time in this game I feel that I'm not voting because "someone has to be lynched; might as well be x" but actually voting with a clear conscience on scummy behaviour.


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Hunter65536: @lift I know it’s still ongoing but I’d say this is the most fun setup I’ve played with lots of possibilities, thank you for hosting!
Yeah. Of all the mafia games I played on GOG, this one is best by far.
Posted October 23, 2017
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flubbucket: Reading my posts you will find me stating specifically "I am not suicidal" and for the very reason "I am not voting myself."
Yes, you do keep repeating that. At the same time as you say that you are the only sensible lynch for today. Forgive me if I'm not convinced.

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adaliabooks: Well lets say five people post that they find Leonard very scummy and they happen to be right.
Clearly a hypothetical situation.

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HypersomniacLive: Which game are you thinking of? Give me some info, like setup, what role you had, something memorable that happened.
I honestly don't remember anything else about the game. It's possible it wasn't even a game I played in, could just be one I observed. Sorry.

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HypersomniacLive: You must be a slower reader than me then, and English isn't even my native tongue.

You appeared perplexed by the idea of flubbucket seriously suggesting to be lynched, and took his position to be a joke initially. I referred you to game #51, because flubbucket may be joking around a lot, but he's also an intelligent, experienced and tactical player.

This is the town-mindset side of things. He could well be scum counting on enough people connecting the dots in this specific way and not lynch him in the end, and I certainly don't put it past him, because he's an intelligent, experienced and tactical player.

(I see ZFR made a similar point in his post #431)
So basically you're saying, he could be town or scum, but either way his play is not a joke. Ok, yes, I agree.

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HypersomniacLive: For someone that has gone over the thread, and has replied or commented on almost everything since they last were on, you're seriously "Oh, and I think" regarding my third and last question I asked you in the very same post you already responded to by quoting it twice?

I asked you about that bit in a very specific context in this particular game setup. I'll be waiting for your reply to it.
Ya, I forgot to respond at that point and then remember I had forgotten, so responded. That sentence made sense in my head.
As for my answer, that was it. Dying for your team is always a part of a vanilla's role, to protect the roles, in this case, the masons. So, as usual, the vanilla's should try and take the NK instead of the masons. Offering oneself up for lynch so as to avoid the possibility of lynching a mason... that's over kill.

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HypersomniacLive: When you voted adaliabooks you attributed it to antsy-scum vibes (post #206). When I asked you about them, you said it was just a feeling (post #219). But here you say that you do have reasons. Care to share them with the rest of us?
To me, a scummy vibe I get from a player is a reason. It's his general posting, and insistence on lynching a supposed vanilla towny that has me voting him. There aren't specific things I can point to. As I've said, I play this game from the hip a bit, more like how RL mafia is played. You don't (generally) lynch someone for their slip-ups, instead from a general feeling you get from them because they aren't acting quite how you would suspect them to if they were town. And I don't think it's unfair to say that players on here are experienced enough and clever enough to avoid the obvious slip-ups.

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Leonard03: [...] But ZFR, I dunno, I wasn't expecting him to vote you.
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HypersomniacLive: Why weren't you expecting ZFR to vote adaliabooks?
Because he hadn't given a lot of indication that he was suspicious of adalia beforehand. And it seemed a bit like hopping to the biggest wagon.

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Leonard03: [...] Also, who are you thinking you'd vote for right now? [...]
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HypersomniacLive: I'm not quite there yet.
Ah, well I'd like to point you to earlier in the same PM you mentioned to me, where it says "Your weapon is your vote..."

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HypersomniacLive: But now that Leonard03 replied - do you remember? Were you scum in game #30? Was he playing in that game?
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mchack: now, I do. was not scum in #30 and no leonard was not playing that game either.
Leonard can look up which game he actually meant by himself. Won't interfere in that anymore ;)
Ya, I couldn't find it.

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trentonlf: Unvote Krypsyn
Vote flubbucket
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Hunter65536: Unvote sage
Vote flubbucket
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ZFR: unvote adalia
vote flub
Hokey smokes that was fast. 3 votes in 5 posts.

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Lifthrasil: Bookwyrm, your last post reads 3 days ago!
This is very unusual.

So it's looking like we're down to pretty much adaliabooks or flub. So either the claimed vanilla towny who wants to die, or the unknown who wants to lynch said vanilla.
I don't want to lynch flub today, I believe it's better to wait and see what happens N1.
I'd suggest to everyone that we instead lynch adalia. Reading his posts gives me the feeling of a scum going under and struggling to grab onto anyone else around to push them down instead. Seeing his flip will be useful to look back over this day and see what we can figure out.
Posted October 23, 2017
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mchack: you telling me you now think flubs might be scum?
Nope. Is that what you took from my sentence? OK.

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mchack: try and decide already what you think is true and vote accordingly
I am voting accordingly. I choose you over flub, I said so already. When/if it becomes clear that won't happen and flub still has enough people voting him to secure a lynch and one more is needed I'll be that one. If both of you are out of the question I'll have to think some more.

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mchack: Is that the same step closer, that adalia wants to bring us to his win condition?
It depends on the point of view and context. If that's the only way we choose to see it, then yes, it's that same step.

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mchack: LOL, warning your buddy there?
LOL.

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mchack: it is? sorry then. this is not my intention.
Maybe just a bit, maybe I'm a bit on edge because of the long day. Either way, I'm sure it's not your intention but I saw you are getting more fired up so I decided to point it out. I'd hope other do the same if they see me getting overboard as well. Let's just have fun together!
Posted October 23, 2017
Wow, almost 200 posts over the weekend? I'm impressed.

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Bookwyrm627: Counter example: HSL could have been questioning whether Dedo was scum trying to set someone up to be lynched.
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adaliabooks: I don't see that... if there are two options as to why someone might be overly defensive and one of them has already been suggested (scum) then it seems clear to me that HSL was suggesting the other (PR).
It is in the context of the other questions from HSL toward Dedo, and from some of Dedo's earlier posting. Maybe I'm just carrying over baggage from last game, but I'm suspicious of some of Dedo's line of questioning.

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adaliabooks: Sometimes I think people forget that this is a game, sure we can sit around endlessly trying to figure out exactly who is scum day 1, or we can just move things along and get to the next day where we have more info and a better chance of getting to a game winning state.
Yes and no. We'll have 1-3 bodies on the ground for Day 2, but no townie gets any extra information besides that. Today we're setting up so we actually have information to misinterpret Tomorrow; if we're too hasty today, then we'll just have a bunch of corpses to look at tomorrow.

Not to say "Hey, stall until deadline", since that defeats the purpose of setting up. Quality time spent > quantity time spent.

PPE: And Mchack sort of already covered this in 319. Also, that post highlights a somewhat disturbing trend in more than just mchack: an almost assumption that scum will be able to pick which kind of target they're going to hit (mason, vanilla, scum) [Oh good. HSL is on top of this].

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ZFR: Then,

unvote: adalia
vote: flubbucket

My opinion of other players hasn't changed much, but, again if someone has to be lynched it could be flub.
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Leonard03: You seem awfully willing to throw your vote around. We still have a bit of time, no need to rush things.
Hm.

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HypersomniacLive: - Which is worse for town, to have two NK-ed, or to have one converted and one NK-ed? In the first scenario, town's down by two, but scum numbers remain the same; in the second one, town's still down by two, but one scum team is now up by one. Which scenario brings town closer to victory?
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mchack: -the first scenario is better for town I suspect.
You "suspect" the first scenario is better for town? Is there any case, at all, where the second scenario is better?? I really hope someone else has already commented on this.

PPE: Not fully caught up, but I'm guessing no one else commented on it since it was over 100 posts ago from my current point (post 441).

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flubbucket: Seriously.....and I never use this word.

I am the Day One lynch.....unless you're scum.
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mchack: are you ...
He's not a mason. Some days, that has to be good enough.

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ZFR: _Is flub intelligent enough to ...
Yes.

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Hunter65536: Which comes at a great cost to town though, the whole point of d1 is to analyze wagon formed on the lynched player and discussions which lead up to the lynch. Now d2 start will not differ much from d1 in anyway in terms of useful information that town has at hand.
Then you aren't paying attention.

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dedoporno: but I don't see how claiming mason is such a good play for scum (well, they will probably avoid the immediate lynch but in the long run they are likely to go down anyway, since there are these new threats for them).
The long term is irrelevant if they get lynched now.

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flubbucket: Also if I don't get lynched today, I'm going to kill all of you in your sleep,
Eh. I've had worse...

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flubbucket: And pee on your faces.
...oh, it's on now!!!
Posted October 23, 2017
Unvote: flubbucket
Vote: trentonlf

Unofficial Vote Count

flubbucket - 2 Votes (trentonlf 123/213; Bookwyrm627 187; adaliabooks 265; mchack 268/316; Krypsyn 308/382; ZFR 312/363; trentonlf 464/497; Hunter65536 466/484; ZFR 468/474; Krypsyn 469/503)

Bookwyrm627 - 0 Votes - (mchack 15/56; Bookwyrm627 34/47; adaliabooks 39/46; Krypsyn 42/49, Hunter65536 108/172)

trentonlf - 3 Votes (ZFR 475; flubbucket 482; Krypsyn 503)

dedoporno - 0 Votes (Leonard03 107/169)

adaliabooks - 4 Votes (ZFR 10/32; Hunter65536 16/108; Krypsyn 28/33; mchack 117/174; Leonard03 169; Krypsyn 171/308; ZFR 192/312; Sage103082 300; ZFR 363/468; mchack 372, Krypsyn 382/469; trentonlf 497)

Krypsyn - 0 Votes - (Sage103082 22/300; ZFR 32/62; Krypsyn 33/42; Krypsyn 49/61; trentonlf 72/123; Krypsyn 74/129; trentonlf 261/464)

ZFR - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 9/26; Bookwyrm627 12/30; Krypsyn 24/28)

Hunter65536 - 0 votes (Bookwyrm627 30/34)

Leonard03 - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 87/115; mchack 94/117; Bookwyrm627 127/127)

mchack - 1 Votes (ZFR 62/153; Bookwyrm627 127/187; Krypsyn 129/171; adaliabooks 197/265; trentonlf 213/261; dedoporno 361)

Sage103082 - 0 Votes - (trentonlf 20/72; Bookwyrm627 47/127; adaliabooks 55/65; Krypsyn 61/74; mchack 201/268; Hunter65536 426/466)

HypersomniacLive - 0 Votes (mchack 56/94; flubbucket 80/97)

Lifthrasil (i.e. suicide vote) - 0 Votes (dedoporno 98/114)

Other - 0 votes (flubbucket 97/160)

Not Voting - HypersomniacLive, Hunter65536
Posted October 23, 2017
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dedoporno: Let's just have fun together!
Yes :) ... I'll call krypsyn and his doll!

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Leonard03: .. Offering oneself up for lynch so as to avoid the possibility of lynching a mason... that's over kill.
this

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Leonard03: ... And I don't think it's unfair to say that players on here are experienced enough and clever enough to avoid the obvious slip-ups.
and this (thinking dedo here)

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HypersomniacLive: I'm not quite there yet.
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Leonard03: Ah, well I'd like to point you to earlier in the same PM you mentioned to me, where it says "Your weapon is your vote..."
and this..

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mchack: now, I do. was not scum in #30 and no leonard was not playing that game either.
Leonard can look up which game he actually meant by himself. Won't interfere in that anymore ;)
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Leonard03: Ya, I couldn't find it.
no problem. it was game #31 (Crisis at Space Station Epsilon). only game I was ever scum. you weren't playing.

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Leonard03: I don't want to lynch flub today, I believe it's better to wait and see what happens N1.
I'd suggest to everyone that we instead lynch adalia. Reading his posts gives me the feeling of a scum going under and struggling to grab onto anyone else around to push them down instead. Seeing his flip will be useful to look back over this day and see what we can figure out.
and so much this! :D we can learn loads from adalias flip! yours is the 500th post, there is much interaction going on. much to analyse. and noone can say he only lynched adalia because adalia asked for it.
Posted October 23, 2017
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dedoporno: Let's just have fun together!
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mchack: Yes :) ... I'll call krypsyn and his doll!
Very well. I am here with my doll. What now?
Posted October 23, 2017
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Krypsyn: Unvote: flubbucket
Vote: trentonlf
Well there's something new.
Posted October 23, 2017
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mchack: damnit. frigging forum software. graah.
hrm. @Lift, I'm terribly sorry, I have posted twice within ten minutes by mistake.
Alright. Consider yourself warned and be more careful in the future. Refresh before posting helps to see that the last post is your own with time <10 min.
As for your posting restriction, check your PM.
A second edit from you, accidental or not, will lead to your modkill.
Posted October 23, 2017
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mchack: dedo, never has voted for flubs
zfr, changed his vote to trent
krypsyn, votes the highest wagon, he was on yours aswell so if you want to deduce anything from his vote it's "I don't care"
hyper, never has voted for flubs

pretty lame list you have there... [...]
dedoporno may never have voted flubbucket, but he's not averse to it if need be. Besides, isn't he he scum for you?
ZFR changed his vote to trentonlf awaiting the latter's explanations, i.e. if he's satisfied with them he may well go back to flubbucket.
I've not voted for anyone so far; what does it prove in relation to not having voted flubbucket?

Taking things out of context doesn't make your counterargument strong(er), or even stand.


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mchack: [...] sure he may be converted the next day (again) BOOM dead scum! [...]
Except that it's going to be one dead scum that didn't exist the Day before.


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mchack: [...] Vanillas are town players working for winnig for town. end of story. no ifs and maybies and what may happen in the future. nothing. they work to win this for town. [...]
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mchack: [...] Working against your current team on the off chance it may change is not something anyone will do. [...]
You speak in awfully strong absolutes as to what others would and would never do. Which is doubly noticeable since you were in game #51, and experienced first hand how some people played for that off chance.


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mchack: [...] Another Lie! post #406 you'll see my 3rd scumread is bookwyrm. [...]
Yeah well, being irked by someone and actually scum-reading them is not exactly the same thing. And this is aside the fact that it came later with the sort of preface I always love to see.


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mchack: [...] flubs won't be different from others tomorrow. [...]
Not exactly.


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mchack: [...] there is 5 vanillas out there. I have an Idea who some might be. [...]
But you have an idea as to who the other "5-some" are, eh?


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mchack: [...] You sure have an Idea who some might be and scum definitly also has an Idea who might be a vanilla. [...]
[emphasis added]

Wait, isn't dedoporno your #2 scum? Why mention him separately from the collective scum that "also" has an idea who a town vanilla might be?


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mchack: [...] scum definitly also has an Idea who might be a vanilla. [...]
[emphasis added]

Do tell, what makes you so sure that scum definitely have an idea about the vanillas?
Posted October 23, 2017
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Leonard03: Well there's something new.
I thought for sure Bookwyrm627 would catch it and/or comment on it first, since it seems he is reading through the thread currently.

Regardless, it isn't new, but it is the first clear evidence. It is the second time I have gone "off script", so to speak. You get 50 Krypsyn Points if you can guess what the trigger was. ;)
Posted October 23, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: @Lifthrasil

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Lifthrasil: [...] Night will fall some time on Wednesday.
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HypersomniacLive: This is our 48hrs warning as per rule #15, yes? Does this mean that deadline is set for European morning/noon hours?
Yes, it is. And yes this means from Wednesday on, European late morning/noon, Nightfall may happen. I'll be quite busy on Wednesday, so it will probably rather be Wednesday evening (European time). But I will not state a precise deadline.
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