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General discussionForum Mafia #49 - Retirement isn't so Peaceful(1018 posts)(1018 posts)
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Posted June 30, 2017
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dedoporno: I can't cite much more from memory, but during the years (it's been years, right?) this default massive mistrust has accumulated. Just like we do lists in the games I have similar lists in my mind that evolve during our games and I have put some people in the list "Don't believe that motherfucker if you don't have firsthand info about them or on the edge of losing and the only possibility to win is the high-risk/high-reward leap of faith type of play". So yeah, if you wish, after this game is over we can take a walk down memory lane and remember the good old times.
And if that's true, my stance on what I said at the beginning of the game, relating to drealmer, still stands and I think you should give it a shot. There will be many situations which you pretty-public-by-now bias will be exploited and games will be lost. The game and possibilities sometimes have to be taken at face value. The key is identifying when these times are occurring.
Posted June 30, 2017
At first skim, I see we had somewhat of a bomb drop by trentonlf.

Have to go back to catch up properly, then look into this closer, but first comment on this - interesting that trentonlf uses the term "bad guy" for HijacK; not Mafia, not scum.
Posted June 30, 2017
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dedoporno: .................


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flubbucket: yogsloth is a clever boy. Coming up with Death Miller could well have been a plan he cooked up for mafia claiming just waiting for the moment.
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dedoporno: You are joking, right?
Sometimes.

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flubbucket: I think it's possible. While PGO is a traditionally town role, a singular (player) mafia faction would work.
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dedoporno: Didn't RW practically confirm Wyrm wasn't a PGO?
Naughty Naughty.......You're pulling this out of context.

Whose question I was answering??
Posted June 30, 2017
Current votes:
HijacK - trentonlf; Lifthrasil; JMich; Sage103082
Lifthrasil - HijacK

Not voting: HypersomniacLive; dedoporno; cristigale; flubbucket

Majority has not been reached.

Deadline tonight, 10:30 pm Eastern Daylight time, extended a few hours if necessary until I'm ready to go to bed. As stated earlier. Be kind to the European contingent and decide early! No guarantee enough will be on at deadline to reach majority! Of course, no-lynch is always an option! So is lynching the first person to suggest it!
Posted June 30, 2017
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flubbucket: i have no knowledge of your tool.
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Lifthrasil: But I do wonder about other knowledge you might have. Why did you believe HijacK his claim? You said it's a feeling in your diaper. Did you, by now, have a look at the content of those diapers and can tell us more? Or in other words: are you just trying to be useless again, or do you have any actual reason that makes you believe HijacK is town? If it's the latter, please share.
I've already answered why I unvoted HijacK.
Posted June 30, 2017
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HijacK: Well, if you're lying, I'm fairly certain I figured out your last teammate.
And if I'm not lying?


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flubbucket: Naughty Naughty.......You're pulling this out of context.
Am I? How exactly? RW said this:

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RWarehall: Also, it is clear that Drealmer was shot by someone other than Bookwyrm.
Obviously Wyrm didn't shoot Drealmer. Isn't PGO mirror killing their attacker by shooting them?
Posted June 30, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: At first skim, I see we had somewhat of a bomb drop by trentonlf.

Have to go back to catch up properly, then look into this closer, but first comment on this - interesting that trentonlf uses the term "bad guy" for HijacK; not Mafia, not scum.
I reckon he is suffering form a case of drealmerities acutis.
Posted June 30, 2017
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HijacK: And if that's true, my stance on what I said at the beginning of the game, relating to drealmer, still stands and I think you should give it a shot. There will be many situations which you pretty-public-by-now bias will be exploited and games will be lost. The game and possibilities sometimes have to be taken at face value. The key is identifying when these times are occurring.
As I said, I will be more disinclined to trust some people than other but that doesn't mean I will never ever end up working with them. I like to think I don't let bias get the better of me, I just use it to make sure I don't get blind-sided.


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flubbucket: I've already answered why I unvoted HijacK.
What do you make of trent's accusation then?
Posted June 30, 2017
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HijacK: Well, if you're lying, I'm fairly certain I figured out your last teammate.
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dedoporno: And if I'm not lying?


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flubbucket: Naughty Naughty.......You're pulling this out of context.
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dedoporno: Am I? How exactly? RW said this:

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RWarehall: Also, it is clear that Drealmer was shot by someone other than Bookwyrm.
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dedoporno: Obviously Wyrm didn't shoot Drealmer. Isn't PGO mirror killing their attacker by shooting them?
Answer my question first.
Posted June 30, 2017
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dedoporno: And if I'm not lying?
Kind sir, I will say that scum, or at least those that I think are scum, I may yet be wrong, have won with an unsettling argument that is not related to the game and which I believe infringes on the integrity of the game and values of the mafia community here. Just my two cents. Alas, apologies if it seemed I flipped at you at times. I'm just frustrated with the nonsense people have claimed thus far. All I know is that even if I wanted to enact change, some people will always just bring the worst in me to surface because they deserve nothing but the worst of me.
Posted June 30, 2017
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HijacK: And if that's true, my stance on what I said at the beginning of the game, relating to drealmer, still stands and I think you should give it a shot. There will be many situations which you pretty-public-by-now bias will be exploited and games will be lost. The game and possibilities sometimes have to be taken at face value. The key is identifying when these times are occurring.
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dedoporno: As I said, I will be more disinclined to trust some people than other but that doesn't mean I will never ever end up working with them. I like to think I don't let bias get the better of me, I just use it to make sure I don't get blind-sided.

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flubbucket: I've already answered why I unvoted HijacK.
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dedoporno: What do you make of trent's accusation then?
trentonlf as well as Sage103082 make clear statements regarding HijacK's alignment.

How can they both know?? I'm not doubting them, just curious. I think it is valuable information useful for catching scum and exonerating townies. A pool of cleared town is critical.
Posted June 30, 2017
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flubbucket: Answer my question first.
Sorry, which question is that again?



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flubbucket: Whose question I was answering??
This one? HSL? Is this a scolding that I walked in on your convo?
Posted June 30, 2017
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dedoporno: OK, I'm home.

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trentonlf: Yog's was Mafia
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dedoporno: Do you also have first-hand information on this or is this based on the flip we got? If it's first-hand how did you get it or better yet - when?
Based on the flip we got.
Posted June 30, 2017
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Lifthrasil: [...] For example flubbs quick acceptance of HijacK's claim doesn't sit right with me.[...]
Yet when he unvoted HijacK, you had nothing to say. Like when trentonlf first brought up and voted drealmer7 for his "slip", the only thing you had to say was to advice him to bold his vote.


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Lifthrasil: [...] Sage feeling off is also related to her questioning HijacK. Somehow her posts read quite incoherent and while I know that that is the way she writes is sometimes difficult to follow, this time it feels like she pieces her articles together from what other people already said. [...]
But when she made that multi-post case, your only comment was that she (re-)raised some good points; you seemed more than happy that she kept the focus/pressure on HijacK, and said nothing about the way she went about to do so.

Also, since Sage103082 feels off only Today in relation to her questioning HijacK, does her "you're trying to make trentonlf unvote drealmer7" push she made on me when I was questioning trentonlf, and the little exchange we had on it read fine to you?


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Lifthrasil: [...] It doesn't feel like bussing though. So I don't think she's actual scum and I would place her as neutral, but purely by feeling. [...]
Do you think that there are only two different mafia factions then, and Sage103082 is on neither of them?


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Lifthrasil: [...] One thing unrelated to HijacK is JMich's suggestion that the veracity of the flips might be exactly the other way round than we thought. Upon re-read I wonder: was that really just to be thorough and think of all options? Or was that an attempt at misdirection? Or just writing anything new just to have written something new. [...]
Do you think that JMich in particular would write something new just to appear to be adding something new to the discussion?


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Lifthrasil: [...] Oh and something just occurred to me. HijacK said he'd flip 'Muscle'. That doesn't exactly sound like someone who kills using a gun. Which he later added. [...]
Weren't you the first to say that the first thing that "Muscle" brings to mind is Strongman? Is a Strongman kill performed without a gun? Did you change your mind about "Muscle"=> Strongman? If so, what method of killing do you think fits "Muscle"?


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Lifthrasil: [...] Also on a side note - we don't get role flips anyhow. Just faction ones. So he would either flip "Mafia" or Mafia. Not 'Muscle' or 'Elite Bodyguard' [...]
You are way too late to this party.



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trentonlf: A Death Miller Elite Bodyguard is such an outrageous claim that I find the likelihood of it being in the game very low. The fact that most don't seem to be blinking an eye about the claim makes me wonder just what the hell everyone else has as roles because mine is nothing spectacular (and no I don't want to discuss mine or anyone else's roles).
Initially my question was if you think it safe to be so stark about the likelihood of a given role to be in play based on your own PM (assuming you're truthful about it, that is), given that this is a role-madness game hosted by RWarehall, and that we have nothing else to work with than the two claimed Death Millers. But your post #773 reads to me that it's more that you don't believe HijacK to have said role, than it being that unlikely to be in play.



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dedoporno: [...] I will follow my own request to Lift and not intervene in other people's conversations but I have a comment on this one that I'd like to share at some point if no one else does so before me. Please, remind me about it when you are satisfied with Trent's responses on the matter.
I'd like to hear that comment now.



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cristigale: At the start of today, we received adalia's role and gogtrial's gun ownership. I think it's possible we may get more information on the deceased as the days progress. I believe the mod hinted at the possibility in the sign-up thread.
[emphasis added]

Do you think that "Divorce Attorney" was adaliabooks' role? If so, what more traditional role/abilities do you think fit a role titled "Divorce Attorney"?
Posted June 30, 2017
My only issue was your pulling something out of context.

HypersomniacLive's question was hypothetical as was my answer.

You framed it as relevant to current game conditions.



(off to work before I'm late)
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