You have weird behavior from two people from Day 1, with arguments unrelated to actual game as a basis for lynch, outside of the fact that they don't trust the claim, which is no wonder since they voted well before the full claim too. How much critical thinking do you think they put in their assessment or the arguments they laid forward?
And then you have a third that went to great lengths to discredit me with no real good arguments or even valid ones for that matter. What? Do I need to point to more that this looks like a setup and there's a huge chance we are going to lost this game after tonight?
What exactly are you waiting for? A golden chest with the magical answer to fall from the sky?

Why is that? Do I look like I let myself influenced by nonsense arguments and tunnel vision? You, as the rest of town, have the responsibility of thinking outside of the box if need be, and you're not doing it.

Well, yeah! At this point... But what's your alternative? Risking me for a hard role? You even know that not all players will flip what they are, and yet you still risk it for the funzies? Not for the play, not for anything else, but for the claim? I'm out. I refuse association with this herd tunnel vision.

What were you expecting? Honestly, when I saw I was alive, I already knew I had 2 votes out of the bat and I could guess those names with a ball of socks in my mouth.

And what are you doing to make it better? That's what matters to me. I lay down arguments, and most people barely comment. Have you even looked at trent's and lift's post frequency? You'd think that if they were so town, they'd try harder to pin me down. They had it easy because I got in a shitty situation, and nobody bats an eye. The cherry on top of the tree is the neo meta exploit. That one I will never forget.

Can't tell yet. Close to the end of Day 2 and it's still a mystery. I can't say if he's town, but I don't think he's scum. I'm leaning neutral. He seems to be leaning to take the easy way out of a day more than usual.

Good point. That's possible too.

There are many possible scenarios. For example: 2 teams with 2 mafia = 4 scum players. Of the remaining 10 players a bunch are neutral. That would make for a quite small town but we already guessed that anyhow. It would be imbalanced with a cooperating block of 4 scum players, but with them in 2 teams and partially working against each other it could work. But it fits that you want to suppress discussion in this direction. Especially if the assumption is true.

Yea. Brilliant plan. (that was sarcasm)
Weren't you the one who accused me of role fishing when I asked for opinions whether an investigator should reveal his results? And asking ALL investigators (and others), even those who didn't get any useful results yet, to reveal themselves is better in what way? Investigators that we sorely need with the mess we are in.
You yourself didn't want to put your role out there without being present to deal with any fallout so that 'the wolfies' don't get to abuse it in some way. But now you want to throw all roles to the 'wolves'? This is SO very anti-town!

Again, this line of thinking wouldn't make sense if you were town. But if you are scum everything fits: you insisted that you have to be there at full capacity right after your claim, because you felt that there might be the need for damage control. If someone spots something in your made-up claim that you didn't think of. And now you suggest a mass-claim which would profit scum immensely. They get all roles served on a silver platter and can pick them off from most dangerous to least. While scum themselves can basically claim anything made-up, with this being a role-madness game. So a mass claim would be less dangerous to them and at the same time more harmful to town than in a regular game.

You confirm again that you don't have the interest of town in mind and that you are by far the scummiest player around. And yes, we do have to avoid a mislynch - which is why we should lynch the scummiest player: HijacK.

Is Lift still thinking I read his replies to my posts? LMAO. Keep writing bullshit. I love to waste your energy!

That's hilarious. If I were pushing harder or more frequently you would be screaming blood and murder. 'Scum are pushing to mislynch me!' or some such. No matter what I do you would try to spin it as scummy. You would have to even, since you are scum under pressure and you have to deflect that pressure somehow.

If it were up to me, we would lynch you right now. I don't see much new information surfacing and I am sure enough of your anti-townness that lynching you is the best move for town. But you know this forum. Now the 'let's wait for the deadline' game starts. It's a bit stupid and annoying that most of the game only happens close to the deadline, but that's the way it is. And it's not as if you are going somewhere.

But if it makes you happy, I'll get a bit pushier, just for you.
"HEY PEOPLE! MAKE UP YOUR MIND AND VOTE HIJACK! MAKE GOG-MAFIA GREAT AGAIN!!!"

There. Happy?

Obligatory ROFLMAO post.

Yes. Veeery mature and veeery towny to ignore a player just because his reads are inconvenient to you...

In case you didn't notice: that was sarcasm again.

Obligatory ROFLMAO post.

That's the thing. It's a matter of perspective. From where I stand and with whatever knowledge and observations I have I believe I'm doing the right thing. So I do believe I'm making it better. This may not be the case but you telling me it isn't doesn't change my mind. I don't know how else to explain it and either side will always be biased to some extent - you are trying to stay alive and will probably do anything to do so regardless of alignment. It's just the nature of the game. I work with what I have - you can tell me a whole bunch of stuff about how that is bad for us and how we are bad for doing it but I won't suddenly start believing you, you know? The only thing I'm quite certain of is that you are not allied with a few other players and that's it. This doesn't make you nor them more town. Nor me in your or their eyes. It applies to everyone.

Then next thing is not meant as an insult, it's actually somewhat of a compliment - you, my friend, are among the biggest liars I have had the pleasure to meet in these games and I will never EVER take the things you say at face value without at least some sort of confirmation. You asked me what I expected to change since D1 - I hoped for some of that confirmation as newfound knowledge coming from whatever mediums available. Unfortunately practically none of it came in a conclusive manner.

Therefore I prefer to risk a role that can potentially remove one of the bazillion killers our there by potentially protecting another of the bazillion -1 killers left and remove a major question mark that will continue to plague us.


With all that said, after you my list is actually similar to yours with a slight order changes, but depending on how the day concludes, what happens overnight and if I'm still alive in the morning that may shift around (or change partially).


I have to run now but I will be back in a few hours until late night, maybe even till the deadline if we actually wait for it.

Sir, I will agree with you that you are indeed right, and I appreciate someone sees this. I find it as an insult to the game when someone pushes defensiveness as a tell of alignment in a game about deception. I'm generally an optimist, but I always caught myself being a cynic when playing Mafia, thus I always try to stay alive because I just don't trust others to catch the scum. In the words of Mordin Solus, "It has to be me. Someone else might get it wrong."

Would you like me to run you the numbers? If that won't convince you, I don't know what. From where I stand, it's a pretty clear picture, but as you said, I work with what I have, and you don't have what I do because you can't confirm what I know.

I'll be a jerk and cross the "t" and dot the "i". What is certain is that I simply can't fuck with some other players. In a game of deception that is over the internet, there are a few things that one is ought to give another outside of the boundaries of rules and rules and regulations. And one of those is to be respectful of the impact and priority of real life. The accusation that I abused my responsibilities to get an advantage in a time of personal need just solidified my belief that some people lack any form of dignity. I hope we will win and scum will lose. I am disgusted by the antics that were utilized to push for my lynch.

I mean, I will take the compliment, but I have to ask exactly what led you to this belief. The Bulletproof Berzerker lie? I don't recall having anything else memorable besides that. And to be frank, it looks quite lame in retrospect. Trent's role title at the time influenced me, but someone more experienced could have seen right through it.

Then what makes you bank on my lynch as the greatest chance of success? What makes other candidates worse, despite their game play?

Yet you are not banking on the fact that this question mark may be answered in the near future. Here I shall ask, if our lists are so similar, albeit with a change of order, why me? What's making me stand out so much besides my role? If someone says my request for a grace period, I swear to Allah I will take the plane to wherever they live and bitch slap them.

This is such a huge thing to bet on. Let me see if I understand this correctly. You suspect the same people of what I assume are almost the same reasons of being scum and playing as a team. You can definitely tell that they are not on my side, and you don't even know for a fact what the game mechanics are. It's a role madness games where 3 unaccounted for killers are loose, and you're about to lynch the only claimed protective role out of 9 remaining players.

Here's what I propose to you. Since I can't protect a NK targeted at me and if I am alive and we are both right, I'm a key target to eliminate. If we are right, the scum team is in danger. Guess who needs to be NK'd. And guess how that will go. Do the math. What result do you get?

I'm highly doubtful. If my numbers for remaining scum are right, we're in deep shit, excuse my colloquial French.

Inb4 I DAYKILL Krypsyn

yogsloth is a clever boy. Coming up with Death Miller could well have been a plan he cooked up for mafia claiming just waiting for the moment.

The Toxic Avenger is a cult B-movie worth watching if you're into silly nonsense. Definitely not for children.

Does this mean I'm a sucker for falling for it, or was I simply the wrong person, at the wrong time, in the wrong place?

Also, I stand corrected. Someone is thinking outside of the box....
You people are making a habit out of having me stand corrected.

Noted.

What happens in vagueness stays in vagueness.


These things aren't cheap so I try to get my money's worth from each one.

I think it's possible. While PGO is a traditionally town role, a singular (player) mafia faction would work.

Take care of yourself.

I would hate to see you sub out.......hopefully someone will have mercy on you and kill you next night phase. ;D

Ouch!

This reminds me of how much Krypsyn loves games with lots of killing roles and triggered events.......perhaps??