Posted June 17, 2017

trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States

dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
Posted June 17, 2017
More like HSL and wyrm. Lift's opening was a just a bit odd but since then I haven't seen something out of the ordinary. And again, it's nothing solid, just small stuff that look slightly off to me and in the absence of something more meaningful they are they were the only... not leads, but at least trails to try and follow on.
Anyway, it seems that drealmer is going to be the main point of interest that will probably get things going in whatever direction. Speaking of, I never quite got how you read that phrase of his. As a slip-up or as too lamist?
Anyway, it seems that drealmer is going to be the main point of interest that will probably get things going in whatever direction. Speaking of, I never quite got how you read that phrase of his. As a slip-up or as too lamist?

yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted June 17, 2017

Such a mechanic prevents us from properly reading someone because it adds a bias. While I appreciate the way drealmer operates, I often find myself shaking my head because he maintains a bias from previous games. Certain behaviors can be observed, that is true, and over time we form a rough schema through which we judge certain players based on how similar they are to their previous gameplays, but this can be easily skewed in out own minds up to the point of creating an alternate image of what reality truly is. Alas, we willingly decide to deceive ourselves.
I think drealmer, Hyper, and lift should take it easier with accusations. It looks like they are already raising the roof and such combative posts will only lead to them thinking of each other as scum purely based on the fact of conflict, not necessarily related to other behaviors, actions, and statements.

yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted June 17, 2017
I probably shouldn't have hit post with only that Hijack reaction above, but I was just so stunned.
Has HijacK at the ripe old age of 21 turned over a new leaf? Is he a new man? More importantly, does he post such an obviously counter-meta post as legit Townie trying something new or as Scum cover? Bizarre... but I guess... wait and see?
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Yeah, bler is like, 99% Town here. I am totally disappointed.
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I would be utterly stunned if Lift and drealmer are w/w and doing this for theater.
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Flub is not the truculent bastard he usually is as Scum. I probably would have expected him to just stick that vote on me and leave it if he were... so, early Town read there.
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Lift and HSL are largely inscrutable to me this early.
Has HijacK at the ripe old age of 21 turned over a new leaf? Is he a new man? More importantly, does he post such an obviously counter-meta post as legit Townie trying something new or as Scum cover? Bizarre... but I guess... wait and see?
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Yeah, bler is like, 99% Town here. I am totally disappointed.
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I would be utterly stunned if Lift and drealmer are w/w and doing this for theater.
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Flub is not the truculent bastard he usually is as Scum. I probably would have expected him to just stick that vote on me and leave it if he were... so, early Town read there.
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Lift and HSL are largely inscrutable to me this early.

trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted June 17, 2017

Anyway, it seems that drealmer is going to be the main point of interest that will probably get things going in whatever direction. Speaking of, I never quite got how you read that phrase of his. As a slip-up or as too lamist?

yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted June 17, 2017
Not much else standing out to me today either, sadly.
Barely into the Day phase and are we gonna thunderdome drealmer and Lift?
eeeeeeennnhh I dunno
Can I get some reactions to Hijack's post?
Barely into the Day phase and are we gonna thunderdome drealmer and Lift?
eeeeeeennnhh I dunno
Can I get some reactions to Hijack's post?

Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany

yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States

dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
Posted June 18, 2017
I softly touched on that. I have taken a note of it, yes. It should be something to look at in the future (near or not remains to be seen).
Lifthrasil: The way he exploded ... I think as scum he might try to temper that a bit. I'm not sure and I see why flubb drew the conclusion he did about drealmer, but to me this looks more like genuine bad play with tunneling and not pretended bad play with tunneling.
So for now:
unvote drealmer Really?!
How about scum lift unvoting scum drealmer?

So for now:
unvote drealmer
How about scum lift unvoting scum drealmer?

yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States

Sage103082
Kitten Tamer: 8
Registered: Mar 2014
From United States
Posted June 18, 2017

So, what do you others think? And drealmer, care to elaborate on why you wrote that sentence? Is trent's suspicion true? Did you just slip?
For reference, the sentence sounding somewhat suspicious is this:


Can you decihper this for me please

As to underestimating your uselessness: we will see. For now I want to wait for drealmers reply. Then we'll see about squeezing some use out of you! ;-)



TL;DR (LAST PART) I totally agree that getting into a tunnel view on past experiences is not good and harmful to the game an that we should all be taking into account action, behaviors and statements from this gam,.e

I am not disregarding this Hijack as a cover for scum or third-party him at all. I never said in my statement that I found this new Hijack to be town, scum or third party. I have not disregarded the possibility. Hijack is a good player and I would not put anything by him. I do agree with him that previous games / play styles should not be taken into account as strongly as some people do. I have always stated that I try hard not to do that. I feel that each game is different and that the actions, comments and play style for the current game is what should be taken into account more then past games. However, like I said past games and play styles still do bleed through to the current game even if I try for it not to.
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Drealmer posted in response to lift but not to trent or I about his statement.
@Drealmer do you plan on address our questioning your statement? or other things in the game other then Lift?
Your post was 6 hours ago and you said you were going to eat, take a walk and then catch up. You have not come back to the game yet. I do know its a weekend and RL gets in the way of the game but , I am feeling that most of your posts recently are hey im still here but ill be back and catch up. I dont really see where you are hunting and looking/ pushing buttons to help.
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I am not sure what to make of Lifts quick back off of drealmer.
*I do not feel well at all and I have family gathering I can not get out of so I will be away most of the rest of the day*

docbear1975
game collector
Registered: Aug 2013
From United States

HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted June 18, 2017



I really don't think scum!lift unvotes town!drealmer here. drealmer is sorta Day 1 lunch menu at all times.
My initial reaction (very last question to Sage103082). Undecided for now; he offered this... nugget of wisdom while having practically zero interactions.

Now the big question is: it this over-reaction the usual bad play from a tunneling town drealmer? Or is it scum drealmer, pretending to react in his usual way? Both are possible. But for now I have the feeling that it actually might be town-drealmer. The way he exploded ... I think as scum he might try to temper that a bit. I'm not sure and I see why flubb drew the conclusion he did about drealmer, but to me this looks more like genuine bad play with tunneling and not pretended bad play with tunneling.
So for now:
unvote drealmer [...]
And that's enough to unvote him, even though he hasn't yet answered your questions from your post #139. If you now lean towards town-drealmer7, what do you think of trentonlf's argument that you saw?
A general plea directed at everybody, with the extra mention that it's completely independent of faction or role (a disclaimer you emphasise for the third time now?) is exactly how I'd expect you to phrase it for it to work as a cover, if it's one. I have to wonder if you actually don't/can't see that, or pretend not to see it, so that you can call other people's arguments ridiculous and continue to throw shade at them.
Also interesting how you selectively address posts and points addressed to you.
*looks at the "7 hours ago" timestamp of drealmer7's post*
That must have been a very big breakfast that required a very very long walk.

trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted June 18, 2017
Ok what is v/v?

flubbucket
"Intoning"
Registered: Dec 2012
From Micronesia
Posted June 18, 2017

So for now:
unvote drealmer
..............<snip>................
Maybe this post isn't so silly.
You backed off of dreamler rather quickly.