Sage, From what I've seen of her posts so far I would be surprised if she's scum this game
Hijack, I have as neutral. I notice he is trying to use psychology this game and I do find that amusing at least.
HSL, It's too soon for me to say, I'll need more posts from him, so ATM I'm not sure yet what to think.

holy crap I just checked in while I have some food heating and WHAMMOOOO the thread has a bunchload of new posts

I will have to dedicate a while tomorrow to it all instead of just 10 mins right now

miss me!

I took my Kenyan guests out partying last night so I'm a bit behind but catching up.


As I already said a bit earlier, at this point HSL and Wyrm are more interesting to me, but mostly because of the lack of something more noteworthy.


I wouldn't say it really bothers me. It sounds like Lift to try to make such against inactive players. It can be both opportunist and genuine town concern.


Or he's cleverly trying to get lynched without being TOO obvious about it :) Remember this is a role-madness. Anything is possible when it comes to potential roles.


Precisely!


Now this seems a bit over the top. Is he really being a dick?


I think you are almost there. Maybe say it just 19 more times to make sure everyone got it.


No, I don't play or follow them. Too many words. As for Yog I'm nowhere near having him as scum yet but neither as town. I just want to see what his deal is since I do prefer to believe he has some agenda.


A bit more later since I have to go out now.

Alright. At least that sounds like an honest answer. But please, don't role claim yet. If you are town, that would just lead to an advantage for scum.

But your changed tone plus dedo's last comment leads me to:

unvote yogsloth


This may also answer bler's question: yes, I was serious about intentional uslessness being lynch-worthy. But no, I'm not dead set on lynching yogs and yogs alone. I got what I wanted: an intelligible reply and hopeful some more serious participation in the future. As for 'why yogs and not flubb' - well, yogs was the one openly stating that he was intentionally trying to be useless. And that felt worse than what I remember of his (or flubbs) usual D1 uselessness.

Get a room, you two!


Back to more serious stuff: @trent, yes I have seen your argument and yes, it does feel off. And now that I have my vote not set at the moment, I can do this:

vote drealmer

Sage seems to agree that that sentence felt off, but without a vote.
So, what do you others think? And drealmer, care to elaborate on why you wrote that sentence? Is trent's suspicion true? Did you just slip?

For reference, the sentence sounding somewhat suspicious is this:

My first impression of his statement was his attempt at LAMIST.....which was extra lame.

As Lifthrasil has stated previously, anything aimed at dreamler is "measured with two measures."

I do find it odd and frankly enough to vote on Day One. But I'll wait for him to call you scum first.

I agree phone posting is not my thing.

Look at me noticing trentonlf's post and agreeing with his point.


WARGABLAFAGLARGAFFEFLLSOARDSOUS-VIDEMEAT

Day One only???...........you underestimate my uselessness.

Why? The vote is town's most powerful weapon. How would you play Day 1 if not by voting? Just hand the Day to scum and start over on Day 2 in a worse position? [sarcasm] Yea, veeery smart! [/sarcasm] Or do you want to entrust the game entirely to night actions of all the roles?

As to underestimating your uselessness: we will see. For now I want to wait for drealmers reply. Then we'll see about squeezing some use out of you! ;-)

Speaking only for myself, the lack of a comment from you stood out because your posts are back to back (#83 and #84). Admittedly, since I was not here at the time and GOG's timestamps are non-existent, I don't know how close to each other they were made, and if you were online when yogsloth made his. It's just that his post #84, tone-wise, seems to be in continuation to the exchanges the two of you just had at the time, so I assume(d) he made it right after, or (very?) shortly after your post #83.


I did see it, it read a bit as LAMIST at first parse (and I see flubbucket seems to have thought the same), but I wanted to/am a bit more interested in the reactions of GammaEmerald and others, and mostly in drealmer7's reaction to them.



But he did - post #78, which is actually a post where he quoted you to primarily reply to you.


That's not what I meant, also not referring to yogsloth.


My point is that you take issue with the way drealmer7 approaches what you say, commenting/replying to points you didn't make, yet you're pretty much acting/reacting the same way in your exchanges with him. And when I point it out, you get a tad too defensive, imo, and go as far as to subtly throw shade my way (see below).


This is nice. You are somewhat surprised? Meaning that you aren't really surprised that I "tag along"? The question is, are you town uncertain of if I'm not scum piggybacking on drealmer7's arguments to try and get you in trouble, or scum trying to paint me in a negative light pointing out that "I tag along" and expressing surprise about it?

Your plea came right after saying that GammaEmerald "deserves" a vote or two for lurking, so it wasn't exactly made in a vacuum. In this context, the question is whether your worry, and the timing of expressing it, is genuine or not, or if put there as cover for/ to soften the impression of your earlier statement about GammaEmerald.

Keeping in mind that I may be scum is fair, if you're town, but, as I said, you seem a tad overly defensive when questioned, when being questioned is also fair, since you should know that townies have no way of knowing your alignment, at least not this early into the game.


You had a good amount of back and forth with drealmer7. Your last post to him (#98) quotes part of his post #94. Which is actually the post where he made this comment about GammaEmerald that trentonlf pointed out. Yet at the time of your post #98, you either ignored it or didn't find it comment/vote worthy. Now you have seen trentonlf's argument and agree that drealmer7's comment feels off.

Why does this look like you're piggybacking on trentonlf's argument to place a vote on drealmer7? Like you were looking for a reason to vote drealmer7 without being too obvious about it? A vote which you preface with that rather odd "now that I have my vote not set at the moment, I can do this".

I don't know what's going on with the two of you, but I'm not ready to chalk it up to your usual tunnelling on him and vice versa.


*holds breath*

Read the OP of the sign-op thread for RWarehall's position on the matter. Though he also commented on this in the latest vote-count post.


[emphasis added]

Would she, or anyone else for that matter, have knowledge of other roles beyond her/their own as a third-party? And wouldn't that also apply to scum to some extend (i.e. roles of scum-buddies exempt), assuming they don't have a Role Cop (with a N0 action), if one is in play?

Regarding the "until we see a few flips" - as per the sign-up thread OP, and the clarifications RWarehall provided there (a PR that can change this may or may not be in play), flips reveal only alignment.


Wouldn't it be harder to lure people to go along if you dropped the pretence of being a gentleman?


Can you elaborate on why you're sorting him town for this? When yogsloth claims to not know what to do/how to play a setup, I tend to be even more cautious.



Assuming you're town, I think you're going to be disappointed.



Seeing that this is at least the second time you mention the sub, would you have a different view on the matter, and Lifthrasil's stance, if a sub was not available? If so, why?


Are you disregarding the case that this new HijacK may be a nice cover for scum or third-party him?

HOLD IT

1.) I absolutely did answer her.
2.) don't ever presume to speak for me
3.) I don't think you and I have a history of clashing / finding each other scummy EXCEPT WHEN ONE OF US IS ACTUALLY SCUM
4.) where on earth do you see me latching on to something small and blowing it completely out of proportion?!?!

this is absolutely false

this is over-zealous scum

lifthrasil is scum, folks - take it to the bank

vote lifthrasil

more catchup inc. after breakfast and a walk

So, basically - obvitown. 1 down, 12 more to go.


I don't think I have even said something that actually has that much merit for someone else other than myself. I twice now have stated that I find 2 particular people interesting, bot haven't actually said why just yet.


You tend to mention RL every now and then. Consider that what you say there applies to others as well :)


Sorry, I'm not sure if I follow. Are you saying the key is to try and not compare people to their previous games/behaviors/etc. and only try to figure them out in the context of the current game so we don't accidentally misjudge them? Basically try to leave any potential meta out of the equation? If yes, how is that recommendation helping us figure out anything at this point?

If I was a cynical man I'd see such a suggestion as an attempt for one to try and redirect attention of any potential differences in their own attitide/gameplay because they know that's going to be there and eventually people will get note of it. But, of course, I'm not that cynical.


We are now referring to scum as wolves? Since when? Or are we supposed to know the scum in this game is actually referred to as wolves?!

Nevermind, I see in your next post that you say that this comes from other sites, so I won't pay too much attention to it. But I didn't like it when I saw it!! :P


I believe flub was agreeing with you there.


You are getting awfully defensive over not much, though. I'm interested in what you think about the others who also find you voteworthy at this point (Trent, flub and maybe Sage).

Are these issue still ongoing? I know you had one post after that one but it said practically nothing, so I still consider you as non-present.

Can you point out Lifthrasil's posts where he specifically pressured drealmer7?