I'm having some trouble seeing these two points of view coming from the same person. But either way, thank you for responding. One final question, just to see if this matches up with my impression of you: If you'd describe your own average play in a word or two, what would those be? (Like, "tenacious", "impulsive", "analytical", "flailing about", ...)?

For now, since I'm not yet confident enough that you're actually scum to want to lynch you quite yet, and since there's at least one other scum still around who's flying under the radar and deserves a wagon of their own (I really like the matrix for this! No need to consider the possibility of you and drealmer being scum together), and people might be reluctant to start a new one when the game seems to be too far developed:
unvote GammaEmerald

@trent It seems to kinda be your modus operandi, but upon browsing through the thread a bit, it struck me how very little you've contributed so far. You haven't been absent, had a useful back-and-forth with drealmer, and asked some pointed questions - but you haven't really been putting yourself out there. And that also means I don't have any good hooks to base questions to you about, but I hope we can change that, because I'd really like to build trust in you early rather than reach another Smurfia ending, and for me that means I need something to work with!

For example, what are your thoughts on the way Gamma answers questions in general, and answered your specific question about the timing thing in particular?

And way at the beginning, you agreed with drealmer that it might be good not to start with revealing picks. You didn't feel very strongly about it, and as majority sentiment seemed to be for revealing asap, you became the first to do so. What I'm wondering is, now that Drealmer has said some more about this, including that his ideal scenario would've been a D2 reveal, do you still find yourself agreeing with him?

Finally: any early reads to share?

Stupidly accurate. As in, I play stupid, and yet almost every game I nail a scum.

As for the confusion, the one-half thing was a blind spot idea, so I didn't think about it much when I first saw it, I was just like "oh wow that's clever!" Now I know it's a bad idea.

I just did a reread on people's posts in regards to adaliabooks. The only one jumping at his throat about that was drealmer7 (post #77), gogtrial34987 asked about it in post #94, but without being convinced it actually was scummy. Nobody else expressed any thoughts about it.

drealmer7 (post #116) is also the only one to find one more thing scummy about adaliabooks, namely a scum-indicative (to drealmer7) shift between adaliabooks' posts #59, #67 and #69.

Perhaps I've missed something, or maybe we're reading things completely differently, so could you point out specific posts that demonstrate who these "people" are and where they said that adaliabooks is scummy for saying what he did?


Also, I've asked for your reasons for listing people in the order you did in your post here, and would appreciate a reply.



I just did a reread on GammaEmerald, but somehow failed to find where he said anything along the lines of "HSL going after drealmer and misquoted part by drealmer about adalia", let alone state that these are reasons he thinks I'm scummy.

And the more I think about it, that last bit "misquoted part by drealmer about adalia" makes absolutely zero sense as a scum point for me, if it's one to begin with. The way you phrased it, I'm not even an involved party, so why on earth would anyone count that as a scum-ping against me?

I'd really like you to point to posts supporting what you said, as frankly, the more you explain yourself the less I can follow you.

Responding to this actually helped me remember the other reason I thought people were "scumreading" adalia: the hidden scumlord conversation. I felt that if he was playing great as scum it would be incidental and more likely to be a result of his failings rather than a sign his failings were a ruse.

As for explaining the reads further, the answer is NO. I don't like telling scum how to look better to me. I might do a very bare bones explanation, but that's it.

You had to ask for something that involves work didn't you? :P

There's nothing solid, just general feel. He (?) feels engaged with the game, I know people are pulling him up for not answering questions, but I like that he is at least acknowledging that he is has been asked them and will not be answering them (whether I agree with that or not). He seems to be quite present.
He gave picks (with reasons that made some sense) despite not really seeming to agree with the idea of doing so.
It's not major enough to say I believe he is town, but it's enough to say I don't think he's scum right now. Particularly as he cannot be scum if drealmer is.

Not yet, sorry.

Are you daft? You started the reveal chain. Why are you complaining about it being too much WIFOM when it's your fault?

Because as I said when I revealed in post 26, Talking in circles about the merits of revealing or not will get us nowhere, all it was doing was creating WIFOM and WIFOM is what scum hide behind. The way it was looking we were going to talk on the merit of revealing for a few days and then finally someone would do it, and then we would spend another two or three days discussing who was scum because of the picks (like some have been doing already). So I decided to get it out of the way so we could move on from it and actually scum hunt.

And just an fyi, I was not complaining about it I was answering Gogtrial's questions on the matter. If I was complaining about it I would have made several posts about it before now and I would not have been the one to start the reveals.

End of day - 3/6/17

Votecount
drealmer7 (2): adaliabooks, Lifthrasil
GammaEmerald (2): RWarehall, Hunter65536

Not Voting: drealmer7, GammaEmerald, gogtrial34987, HypersomiacLive, trentonlf

At L-3, drealmer7 and GammaEmerald are closest to being lynched.

No, actually I took more note of your first two posts. *did drealmer roll scum* in your very first post and *has drealmer7's scum-partner yet to show up in the scum-chat?* in your second post. That looks as if you were poking at drealmer from the very start - and that is something that scum might do, knowing how easily drealmer blows up, when he is poked, and digs himself deeper in. However, I have to grant you that your first post came after drealmer stated his reluctance to share picks. So there is at least some reason for your suspicion. It still feels quite early and it didn't have a RVS-playful feel to it. But since I agree to most of your points of suspicion on drealmer and none of your actions was entirely unfounded, you're not my top pick in spite of how early you poked drealmer. But you have to agree that, should drealmer turn out to be town, you suddenly look very, very bad! Because, I repeat, this early drealmer-poking might be a very reasonable scum strategy.

About drealmers modus operandi: the one where he was more mellow was the very last game. I suspected him, even mistakenly voted for him, but still he didn't attack me. For the other game, where he was scum and blew up in the face of my suspicion of him, I'll have to go back over the last games when I have the time.
But actually, he didn't attack me in this game either and his last post seems quite mellow and explanatory. But the problem is: it came after the post where I stated my observation, so he could have adapted. That's the problem with revealing your scum-tells publicly. Scum can adapt afterwards...

Now that's the big question: is drealmer town and I misread him - again? Or is he scum and just adapted to appear more town-like after I revealed what makes the difference between scum-drealmer and town-drealmer for me. Hmmm. I'm insecure now and since we aren't under any time pressure, I'll withdraw my vote for now to think about it. My suspicion list still stays like it is, so drealmer is not 'off the hook'. I just don't want to take the time to think and talk.

unvote drealmer

...or talk with his scumbuddy to get advice. Don't forget that scum have a daychat in this game! (probably to balance the exclusion pair picking.)

FWIW, a very similar suggestion was made back on the mafiascum thread, too.

Was there an instance of this happening upthread, beyond the post right above yours? If not, that couldn't have been in play yet when you mentioned getting town pings, and then your explanation for those is reduced to "feels engaged", which feels somewhat... shallow to me.

Also, you've mentioned that your scum game is "not exactly stellar". Since I haven't seen any of those games, could you describe shortly in what way(s) you were weak?

I don't particularly recall Adalia's scum game being bad, but don't recall Adalia's last scum game either.

What can I say, the impression I have of him through the game is generally town. Looking back I couldn't really pick out any specific moment that makes me say "That's very townie", he just seemed to answer posts and post in a way I consider town (volunteering his reasons for not wanting to share picks after I mentioned it was slightly suspicious, as opposed to drealmer waffling a load about how he felt it was a slippery slope and we should have waited without ever really explaining why that would have been better) and in my head I have him marked as leaning town.
Another big part of it is weighing up the option of him or drealmer too, knowing only one of them could possibly be scum, and the scales tip firmly in the favour of drealmer being scum.


Heh, I'm sure Hyper could give you the best run down, but it basically boils down to I'm pretty shit under pressure. I tend to flounder significantly as scum and struggle to maintain the right level of interaction with buddies (not too distant and not too chummy), and also have an aversion to bussing (statistically scums chances of winning decrease dramatically once numbers start dropping so I tend to over defend my buddies and end up seriously incriminating myself)