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I am reminded of when I was getting my house built, and the contractor asked me about how I wanted the tiles laid out around my fireplace. I started figuring out on my head how long the diagonal for the tiles would be using the Pythagorean Theorem. Once I was done, the contractor looked at me funny and asked: "Why didn't you just ask to borrow my tape measure?"

I mean... it wasn't a big deal.. the math was easy... however it just never occurred to me to actually measure the object in front of me physically. Even though it was the most obvious course of action.
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Krypsyn: I said "never picking up". So, unless you wish to interpret it as did dreamler7 (still the best answer), it means the same thing.
Read cristi's post. She said "I often use this in class. After they figure out the 3 line solution, my next question is: How can you do it in one line?"
Now, there are two ways you can understand the second question. First one is "Same problem as before, but instead of 3 lines you can only use 1". Second way is "How can you cover all 9 dots with one line", which is super easy, because it doesn't have any restrictions like straight line or anything like that.
Now, if I go with the second interpretation, which is logically correct, and you say that it's impossible, I can show that it is possible, because of missing elements.
Your post added the elements of "perfectly straight lines" and "plane that is unbendable", which still allows one to make three independent lines.

And that is why when you write a problem, you make sure you cover everything, or you allow for "creative solutions" ;)
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cristigale: Yes, a single dimension utensil is impossible.
It's not. Assume a piece of string is your single dimension utensil. You place the string on the plane, covering the first line of dots, then you drag the utensil towards the other lines of dots. Thus a utensil with a single dimension produces a stain with two dimensions. A utensil that produces a stain with a single dimension may make it harder ;)
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JMich: Read cristi's post.)
I did. My point is that her solution doesn't apply to the problem I presented. It is a valid solution to her question, however.
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cristigale: Yes, a single dimension utensil is impossible.
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JMich: It's not. Assume a piece of string is your single dimension utensil. You place the string on the plane, covering the first line of dots, then you drag the utensil towards the other lines of dots. Thus a utensil with a single dimension produces a stain with two dimensions. A utensil that produces a stain with a single dimension may make it harder ;)
Clever :)

I do have more thoughts of the game at hand, am hoping for an answer from Hunter first.
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flubbucket: An investigation revealing "mafia" should instill a deeper conviction.
I haven't wavered from CSPVG once I started on him. How much more conviction do you want from someone trying to keep an investigation under cover?

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flubbucket: Again the lack of conviction regarding CSPVG's guilt.
I haven't wavered from CSPVG once I started on him. How much more conviction do you want from someone trying to keep an investigation under cover?

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flubbucket: What alternatives?? If CSPVG is guilty then there are none.
That's interesting. Are you proposing there is only one scum in the game? There is precedent for such a game, I suppose.

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Bookwyrm627: How long do you propose we wait for cops to claim results?
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flubbucket: This is.....odd.
This is also providing incentive for moving forward without relying completely on claimed town power roles.

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flubbucket: If CSPVG is scum, there is no reason.
At last! Someone gets it!

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flubbucket: There is quite a bit here. What struck me was the potential setup of cristigale. This post seems crafted for the future.
Cristigale asked the questions, and I provided the answers.

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flubbucket: And finally the "investigation" with no new information....other than the allegation of course.
What new information do you want? You've got the relevant data (CSPVG is scum), and even some extra pieces that aren't strictly necessary (his name is Danny, and there was a N0).

I've elected not to feed scum anything more than necessary. In the process, I've updated town with two things that mafia (presumably) already knew: CSPVG is mafia, and his name is Danny. I've also provided something to everyone who may or may not have known: there was a N0.

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drealmer7: <cut for length>
-Here's a thought: Bastard Mod Bler inserted a hidden condition where Town auto-loses if they ever No Lynch, whether by decision or lack there-of at deadline. Who'd ever see it coming?

-Plenty of talk about my possibly being paranoid, insane, or scum, and zero talk about CSPVG possibly being naive, insane, or, you know, scum. Way to consider the possibilities there.

-From what I've seen so far, Bler put far too much work in this setup for it to come down to "Shoot wildly in the dark and hope you get it right". He could have much more easily just run another Russian Roulette game.

-What crazed masses are you talking about? The ward was already locked down, and it is apparently just us. We can't even vote the mods!

-You seem pretty sure that CSPVG is town. What makes you so confident?

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Hunter65536: Flubbucket made some nice arguments against wyrm, I'd like to see what wyrm has to say about them before I can say anything about wyrm being a paranoid or insane cop.
Here's my summary: [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_38_murder_on_the_wing_game_thread/post297]attention.

Here's a question for you: what was the very first reason NOT to lynch CSPVG? What other reasons exist not to lynch CSPVG?

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JMich: Why? The current flavor of the game does support the "mental institution" theory, and we might just be all crazy here. Or is your flavor such that flat out denies it?
Because I see no evidence to support such a theory, while I see hints that indicate it isn't the case.

The current flavor doesn't deny us being in a mental hospital, but it also doesn't preclude us being in a more normal (injury related) hospital either.

BTW: Bler, I'm going to make a note here that I'm the first to suggest that we might all just be split personalities in one dude's head. So if town wins, the dude will be a (more or less) decent fellow when the game is over, while if scum win, the dude will be a gangster or something.

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JMich: Hm, I'm having some deja vu. Did we see a similar analysis before?
Did we? Link it (or cite it), and lets compare the situations.

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drealmer7: If I don't pick up my writing utensil, how am I supposed to draw anything at all?
...touché.

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Krypsyn: I am reminded of when I was getting my house built, and the contractor asked me about how I wanted the tiles laid out around my fireplace. I started figuring out on my head how long the diagonal for the tiles would be using the Pythagorean Theorem. Once I was done, the contractor looked at me funny and asked: "Why didn't you just ask to borrow my tape measure?"

I mean... it wasn't a big deal.. the math was easy... however it just never occurred to me to actually measure the object in front of me physically. Even though it was the most obvious course of action.
Hey, I understood that one!
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I feel like I should start to respond with either rar, 7z or arj. Not sure why.
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JMich: And that is why when you write a problem, you make sure you cover everything, or you allow for "creative solutions" ;)
Well, the point of my question wasn't really the answer. However, when confronted with pedantry, I felt the need to clarifiy. ;)
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drealmer7: <cut for length>
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Bookwyrm627: -Here's a thought: Bastard Mod Bler inserted a hidden condition where Town auto-loses if they ever No Lynch, whether by decision or lack there-of at deadline. Who'd ever see it coming?
I thought of that, (obviously, no?) Hence why I presented the theory I did about it all. Did you miss the point? The point is that if bler thinks no-lynch is a valid choice of play for town in some circumstances that he then would not make a condition that punishes town for making that choice that would then further reinforce town's discouragement from ever going for a no-lynch during a game.
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JMich: I feel like I should start to respond with either rar, 7z or arj. Not sure why.
Those are all certainly reasonable responses. I still prefer:

ZIP!
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JMich: Hm, I'm having some deja vu. Did we see a similar analysis before?
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Bookwyrm627: Did we? Link it (or cite it), and lets compare the situations.
Post 315.Answering to flub on what we'll learn from a CSPVG or Bookwyrm flip.
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Bookwyrm627: snip
How about answering this simple question?

Based on your PM, would you say it is more likely this is a mental ward or a general injury ward?

I'll state straight up that while it does not say explicitly why I am here, it does acknowledge mental issues in my case. My vote is on CSPVG after the reveals primarily because his lacks any suggestion of such.