Posted March 27, 2016
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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From Bulgaria
JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
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From Greece
Posted March 27, 2016
Assume standard 25% scum. Chance of your first investigation being scum is 25%, chance of your first investigation not being scum is 75%.
A second investigation can clear things up a bit more.
Do note however that Bookwyrm did place his vote on CSPVG on his third post, which does seem to indicate that he did get said read, though the question remains whether his reads can be trusted.
A second investigation can clear things up a bit more.
Do note however that Bookwyrm did place his vote on CSPVG on his third post, which does seem to indicate that he did get said read, though the question remains whether his reads can be trusted.
CSPVG
Headless
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From South Africa
Posted March 27, 2016
Dedo: Honestly, I thought the ID thing was a joke. I see no reference to ID numbers in my PM.
JMich: Not sure if I may get to pick my target tonight. Bler's wording was (to me) ambiguous enough to make me believe that it may have been a one off. I'll have to clarify that with him, though.
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In General: Bookwyrm's reference to the possibility of the world ending if he does not investigate someone leads me to believe that he is a sanity affected cop of some sort.
JMich: Not sure if I may get to pick my target tonight. Bler's wording was (to me) ambiguous enough to make me believe that it may have been a one off. I'll have to clarify that with him, though.
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In General: Bookwyrm's reference to the possibility of the world ending if he does not investigate someone leads me to believe that he is a sanity affected cop of some sort.
flubbucket
"Intoning"
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From Micronesia
Posted March 27, 2016
JMich: Will it?
Assume CSPVG flips town. That means the flavor he got on Hunter was correct, so Hunter may or may not be town, and it also means that Bookwyrm's read was false, so he may be a not sane town cop or scum. So if CSPVG flips town, we know the same things we do now, and we are down one town.
If CSPVG flips scum, that will tell us nothing about Hunter, though it will tell us that Bookwyrm's read on CSPVG was correct. That will tell us nothing about Bookwyrm's alignment though, since it is possible that he is throwing a teammate under the bus to establish excellent credentials.
But yes, if you trust that Bookwyrm is a sane town cop, CSPVG is the lynch choice.
True. Assume CSPVG flips town. That means the flavor he got on Hunter was correct, so Hunter may or may not be town, and it also means that Bookwyrm's read was false, so he may be a not sane town cop or scum. So if CSPVG flips town, we know the same things we do now, and we are down one town.
If CSPVG flips scum, that will tell us nothing about Hunter, though it will tell us that Bookwyrm's read on CSPVG was correct. That will tell us nothing about Bookwyrm's alignment though, since it is possible that he is throwing a teammate under the bus to establish excellent credentials.
But yes, if you trust that Bookwyrm is a sane town cop, CSPVG is the lynch choice.
We need to take some stand in order to make progress. The impending, and accelerating, end of day should motivate some action.
I'm not happy about either candidate, but No Lynch is an unsavory choice.
When I read this, I heard this.
trentonlf
Easily amused
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From United States
Posted March 27, 2016
What I find interesting is CSPVG gave a detailed description in his claim and Bookwyrm was nothing but stating he had a N0 action and CSPVG was Mafia. Since bler has been doing flavor with everything I would like to hear the flavor Bookwyrm received with his read.
flubbucket
"Intoning"
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Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
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From United States
Posted March 27, 2016
dedoporno: Why did you claim now? You asked CSPVG about his ID yet you didn't wait for him to respond. What was the point of asking if you were going to claim anyway?
I claimed because CSPVG produced a pretty convincing reason to NOT lynch him without some compelling reason. Take a moment to consider how you might have felt if I had kept saying "Let's lynch CSPVG!" after he claimed cop, but without my having a scum read on him. I didn't see any way to proceed without putting the scum read on the table. I asked about the ID first with an idea toward trying to trap him in a lie. However, I later realized that it wouldn't be conclusive, regardless of the answer.
bler144
μαϊμού
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From United States
Posted March 27, 2016
The conversation picked up again, but yielding just one vote change.
The deadline has shifted forward again, to 6:55 a.m. (PST) tomorrow
which is 23 hours and 59 minutes from now.
Note: adalia may not be around much tomorrow, so as the deadline shifts earlier the caveat will be that, no matter how early it moves, I'll still have to be awake to actual[ly] effect it. I believe Krypsyn and myself are the two most impacted by the inconvenience of earlier times.
The deadline has shifted forward again, to 6:55 a.m. (PST) tomorrow
which is 23 hours and 59 minutes from now.
Note: adalia may not be around much tomorrow, so as the deadline shifts earlier the caveat will be that, no matter how early it moves, I'll still have to be awake to actual[ly] effect it. I believe Krypsyn and myself are the two most impacted by the inconvenience of earlier times.
Post edited March 27, 2016 by bler144
bler144
μαϊμού
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From United States
Posted March 27, 2016
Oh, and Happy Easter everyone!
To think, if you'd speed lynched on Friday, that person could have been resurrected today!
To think, if you'd speed lynched on Friday, that person could have been resurrected today!
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
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drealmer7
finding balance
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From United States
Posted March 27, 2016
If bookwyrm is a paranoid or insane cop, how dangerous does that make him? Yes, false reads but, is he still "town" enough that we can just ignore him, keep him alive, and go about our business? If he is a paranoid/insane cop, what are the benefits to lynching him? Can we even be sure the flip will confirm his paranoia/insanity if it exists?
I'm leaning very heavily on the side that it is likely he is paranoid or insane, I'm just not sure what to do about it. I'm comfortable voting him, but not sure that is the best course of action and still think no-lynch might be better. If he gets another investigation tonight (any idea about that wyrm?) and it results mafia, we can go from there with more thoughts on that information. Discussion on how to proceed is what we need most, glad to see a handful contributing to that line. MORE please! We need to figure this out sooooon!
I really feel like we're meant to be operating blindly, not reall know what is actually happening, and bler will tell us the results of everything we did after the bloodbath (or not) is over. This is part of the reason I think no-lynch might be a very valid approach and even could hide a special win-scenario or other unseen benefits.
Think about this, if we are in some kind of mental wing or unstable ward that even just holds some unstable people, but not all, what do you think the results of a lynch could be? I think it could rile up the masses and cause issues for the rest of us, whereas if we keep everyone calm (by not just killing someone) and go about things in a civil and unbloody manor, maybe people will calm enough that their paranoia or homicidal tendancies go away. or something like that
More on no-lynch, since the deadline is inc. fast and there may not be more opportunity for its consideration before it is too late...
In general as a theory I believe/think no-lynch CAN BE a viable play in forum mafia given the correct circumstances. I believe/think that bler believes/thinks/holds this position as well and has very possibly taken his modding opportunity to show the validity of that position. I don't believe the game is necessarily geared around achieving a no-lynch at some point, but I do believe it is highly possible that, especially on D1, bler has something beneficial to town in store if we do achieve no-lynch, just to reinforce the position that it can be a viable choice.
I'm leaning very heavily on the side that it is likely he is paranoid or insane, I'm just not sure what to do about it. I'm comfortable voting him, but not sure that is the best course of action and still think no-lynch might be better. If he gets another investigation tonight (any idea about that wyrm?) and it results mafia, we can go from there with more thoughts on that information. Discussion on how to proceed is what we need most, glad to see a handful contributing to that line. MORE please! We need to figure this out sooooon!
I really feel like we're meant to be operating blindly, not reall know what is actually happening, and bler will tell us the results of everything we did after the bloodbath (or not) is over. This is part of the reason I think no-lynch might be a very valid approach and even could hide a special win-scenario or other unseen benefits.
Think about this, if we are in some kind of mental wing or unstable ward that even just holds some unstable people, but not all, what do you think the results of a lynch could be? I think it could rile up the masses and cause issues for the rest of us, whereas if we keep everyone calm (by not just killing someone) and go about things in a civil and unbloody manor, maybe people will calm enough that their paranoia or homicidal tendancies go away. or something like that
More on no-lynch, since the deadline is inc. fast and there may not be more opportunity for its consideration before it is too late...
In general as a theory I believe/think no-lynch CAN BE a viable play in forum mafia given the correct circumstances. I believe/think that bler believes/thinks/holds this position as well and has very possibly taken his modding opportunity to show the validity of that position. I don't believe the game is necessarily geared around achieving a no-lynch at some point, but I do believe it is highly possible that, especially on D1, bler has something beneficial to town in store if we do achieve no-lynch, just to reinforce the position that it can be a viable choice.
drealmer7
finding balance
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Posted March 27, 2016
Let's ask the man himself:
wyrm: what do you think about the possibility/likelihood that you are either paranoid or insane?
wyrm: what do you think about the possibility/likelihood that you are either paranoid or insane?
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
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Posted March 27, 2016
So your plan is to no-lynch and we can wonder about the same thing tomorrow? I don't see why that helps.
I still don't buy CSPVG's PM. A one-off line about "an accident" with no detail doesn't reassure me. Mine doesn't directly address why exactly I'm here but I can suspect from the context. Even Drealmer's post above gets to the issue...this does appear to be a mental ward and what kind of unnamed accident puts CSPVG here? I don't buy it.
So my vote is staying. Other than that, I might be persuaded to vote Cristigale who seemed to be on some sort of crusade to distract us or convince us to vote anywhere except CSPVG, even before the reveals.
I still don't buy CSPVG's PM. A one-off line about "an accident" with no detail doesn't reassure me. Mine doesn't directly address why exactly I'm here but I can suspect from the context. Even Drealmer's post above gets to the issue...this does appear to be a mental ward and what kind of unnamed accident puts CSPVG here? I don't buy it.
So my vote is staying. Other than that, I might be persuaded to vote Cristigale who seemed to be on some sort of crusade to distract us or convince us to vote anywhere except CSPVG, even before the reveals.
drealmer7
finding balance
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Posted March 27, 2016
RWarehall: So your plan is to no-lynch and we can wonder about the same thing tomorrow? I don't see why that helps.
I still don't buy CSPVG's PM. ... Even Drealmer's post above gets to the issue...this does appear to be a mental ward and what kind of unnamed accident puts CSPVG here? I don't buy it.
I might be persuaded to vote Cristigale who seemed to be on some sort of crusade to distract us or convince us to vote anywhere except CSPVG, even before the reveals.
My theory is no-lynch might provide a bastard-like mechanic involving no-lynch with a result that could benefit town in unforseeable ways. My theory continues that if we do no lynch, come tomorrow, I think that it is likely that there are investigative roles in the game, and that we will have some sort of result to go on tomorrow, as well as more development/insight perhaps into CSPVG and wyrm themselves, which will help further our ability to figure out wtf is going on. My theory continues, even if there are no investigative results shared come D2 evolving, that we can still then, imo, see what bookwrym has to say, again, and go from there and possibly lynch him. I still don't buy CSPVG's PM. ... Even Drealmer's post above gets to the issue...this does appear to be a mental ward and what kind of unnamed accident puts CSPVG here? I don't buy it.
I might be persuaded to vote Cristigale who seemed to be on some sort of crusade to distract us or convince us to vote anywhere except CSPVG, even before the reveals.
No-lynch and wyrm are the only two options I'm comfortable with at this point, and I'd like to go the no-lynch route and see how it goes.
I do lean towards believe CSPVG and I am highly doubtful/suspicious of bookwyrm (or at least his character role, that, as I stated very early, may not actually be malicious, but is just unknowingly erroneous, aka paranoid or insane.)
Anyway, at this point, I'm uncertain wtf is going on and don't want to just lynch someone for no good reason as I see it. You have been pushing CSPVG hard since the beginning, and it makes me much more suspicious of you than him too (just as you say cristi is hard towards not voting CSPVG, you are just as hard voting CSPVG.) I would say you are my #1 choice as a possible threat, but no one else seems to be inclined that way so, no-lynch is my optimal choice at this point, and wyrm is a distant but acceptable 2nd choice, and other than that, unless someone provides a convincing case for someone else, this is where I'm staying.
Hunter65536
New GOGlin
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From India
Posted March 27, 2016
Flubbucket made some nice arguments against wyrm, I'd like to see what wyrm has to say about them before I can say anything about wyrm being a paranoid or insane cop.
Hypothetically let's say we accept wyrm as paranoid or insane cop, how would we go about proving which one he is? If he gets a town result on n1 then paranoid is off the table which would be a good thing but otherwise we're back to same situation we have now.
Hypothetically let's say we accept wyrm as paranoid or insane cop, how would we go about proving which one he is? If he gets a town result on n1 then paranoid is off the table which would be a good thing but otherwise we're back to same situation we have now.