You know, how there are people or a person that you find hard to read, being them either town or mafia? Well, flubbucket is such a person for me. I have nothing against him personally, but him being a hard read also makes him my always-to-be-suspect unless proven otherwise. And when I did not have any better suspects, I voted flubbucket. I know I explained this.

1. This post of mine is huge. Where exactly did I backtrack what? You are giving unspecified "reasons".

2. I think your vote on me is based on:
- My RVS idea related to your "silly flavour-driven post" #39. Even though I told you three or four times already that your suspicion here is utterly wrong.
- Me unjustly saying that HypersomniacLive was pushing Hunter's wagon. Even though both HSL and even Hunter corrected me on the matter.
- Me backtracking when I am called. Even though you only related a huge post without any specific details.

While Lifthrasil's vote on me has valid points, despite being wrong, your vote on me seems to be pushed. And I believe you to be scum.


Can't argue with anything that is real life related, for that is not for me to know or judge. I myself had last three days crazy, today included. The way you explain your lurking seems logical and fitting your game play. But I also know you to be smart, many of HypersomniacLive observations about you seemed smart and logical. I can see perfectly well you being scum and claiming to be Town Vanilla. But I know for a fact your vote on me is wrong, so for me personally - I am more inclined to believe you to be scum than the rest of players.


Want to end the Day faster? Or are you protecting you scum buddy? Or even buddies? You seem yo be suspiciously eager to lynch me. If Lifthrasil didn't look scummy for a long time now, I would vote you.


I will make one more post. I think

Considering how many people are bringing no-lynch as a possible path, tell me - what good does that do? We don't get the information from the flip which was quite a big part of the whole push for Lift (among other things, but still). We leave an already tainted person who himself said that will probably not be able to contribute enough because of RL stuff and is better off lynched. Even if he gets replaced now the taint will pass over to the replacement and will only bring more confusion since the new person will almost certainly be entirely different. The whole thing would have been for nothing in the end, we'll actually be at a worse situation tomorrow. And I believe it's quite obvious that if Lift is not lynched today he will be still alive tomorrow regardless of his alignment.

So, again, what is the benefit of a no-lynch today?

That's not what my question is about.

And I forgot to mention the free kill mafia gets in the meantime. Not cool, either.

Sorry, I was confused then. Not trying to interfere with any voting or selection process.

I'm just letting the players know I can't move any deadlines, and also that I'm working to generally manage things behind-the-scenes as all mods do.

But that's not what I said. My exact words were "Lift/Dess/no lynch in some order." My word choice was quite deliberate, and cut/pasted here.

There are what, 6 different permutations of n=3 select 3?


For me the real value of the proposition hinges on a theory for which I have some, but not overwhelming, evidence, which is the "town strength" theory mentioned prior, based on what we do know about the setup, collectively and individually. I think every game I've been in, the results would have swung completely with just one more player in play.

Gallows is won if we no lynch on D4, Dungeon was winnable with no lynch on D2 (and all but lost N2), Lift's game would have had one hell of an end-game if that last day had gone to no lynch.

In any case, theory aside I don't know that we'll be in a "worse" position tomorrow, other than likely numerically. Being in a better position is in play.

I agree Lift won't be the NK, and with the claim scum already have what they need from him. Though as the replacement list is short, I think it's possible they might still view certain replacements as a threat come N3.

Though I think going ahead with the lynch is probably where I'll end up, it seems we'll have to agree to disagree on the bad-ness of this particular proposition.

@dedoporno

I considered No-Lynch, or lynching someone else as a way to get a replacement for Lifthrasil, if him wanting out because he's unable to keep up was indeed the only reason he's OK with getting lynched. But trying to stay up and involved when my brain's mash, I failed to consider the points you made about the replacement themselves and their place in the game. So, perhaps not a good idea to get someone to replace Lifthrasil.

Plus, I get a feeling that if yogsloth can't find a replacement, Dean Sloth is just going to off Dr. Zona Monolit himself using that handgun of hers.



I'm only skimming through posts at the moment, but his one caught my eye, as it's relevant to the task at hand.

Let me see if I got you right - you want to re-read my impressions and thoughts on Lifthrasil later, and ask me or express any disagreements later? When Lifthrasil's the closest to lynch, with a few hours left till the deadline expires, and you are already on his wagon?

Dessimu: Firstly, the 'their' and 'them' was in reference to the three people on Hyper's list.

Secondly, I really do feel that most of that post is you backtracking on various things. From conceding that you overdid it when saying Hyper pushed Hunter's wagon; to conceding that you added to 'distracting' everyone (or however you would like to put it) by talking about Lifth and the whole anime thing, somehow linking this to talk about serial killers; and responding to cristigale's last question in the manner you did.

This is not to mention the whole, "This is intentional and I shall hold my reason as to why. I will explain either later in the game or after the game." response, which is quite strange.

Lastly, I wouldn't say that I'm eager to lynch you, but I won't hide the fact that I think you're most likely scum, and therefore won't apologise for asking if no one sees themselves voting for you.

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Besides all that, all I can see to justify offing Lifth is that he lurks, has acted differently according to some, and that his voting patterns have been strange. Is that correct? I think a lot of these can be explained by Lifth's RL situation, but I understand that this isn't necessarily a reason to keep him around (or, in fact, saddle a replacement with all of the baggage he's accrued).

fyi in about 1/2 hour I'll be logging off for the night.

Sorry, I was sure it said "that order". So what order would you prefer then (I already know you wanted Lift, but maybe that changed with his claim)?

But only in hindsight. No lynch under specific circumstances and follow up can be equally devastating and you can't know that as well. The difference is no lynch is less likely to provide useful information this early. I believe you followed #35 so you should know that I'm not constantly against no lynching and I'd even suggest it if I believe it's the better play. I don't see how this is the case here but as you said, that may also be dependent on personal context.


Possible, but they will already be burdened by Today's doubts and accusation. If you are frightening for scum it means you are a good player. A good Town player is as inconvenient for scum as a good suspected scum player is for the town. I doubt Lift will be left alone Tomorrow if he / his replacement is still in-game.

Perhaps explainable, but there at least seems to be a contradiction there. You believe CSP is scum, and Lift is more scum?

Don't you remember? Dessimu believe flub was super-scum when they were buddies. Super-scum has got to be more scum than other scum.


By the way I just realized Hunter disappeared once some of the heat he was getting dissolved in favor of Lift. If the forum tag is correct and he lives in India it's the middle of the night there right now but his last post was 10 hours ago. Stuff happened since then and I saw his green button turn on and off a few times after my last response to him so I know he was at least online.

Not Lift, but CSPVG. I find Lifthrasil scummy. And I find CSPVG scummy. We have a deadline. Thus, I leave my vote on Lifthrasil. Because I am also not in favor of no-lynch. And me voting CSPVG right now would give nothing useful.

I totally forgot about that name. It would be ironical if Lift does flip scum since his name will actually end up being an unintentional (or is it?) hint towards the fact. If I remember correctly Lift was hosting the Stalker game. Monolith was the name of the anti-town faction in the Zone.