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I have no idea of how town-trentonlf might act, but for the moment he seems to be way too polite. Like extra good. I know trentonlf is good in nature, but in here... Just too good. Maybe those pretzels had an impact on him?
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CSPVG: #260 - trent - I feel like trentonlf would usually respond differently to a situation like this. By which I mean that I think that he;d be more reticent about sharing night information, or at least give a better justification than he did for giving away quite so much information.



My puzzle behind my name is super weird, but I think that I've figured it out.
I'm always about sharing information, especially after yog's last game when I lied about it and got myself lynched. I also have no information about last night, I was just speculating as to what the blood meant since Hyper asked everyone.

As to your name, you are from South Aftica right? What is the currency in South Aftica?
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cristigale: Scum could also present the same argument, knowing that drealmer was not one of them.
I'm not very experienced so I could be wrong but why would someone who is scum try to defend someone who isn't? Lynching someone who isn't scum puts them at an advantage if they hit town or at least doesn't hurt them in case they end up hitting neutrals. On the other hand if they fail to lynch this person there's always a risk of someone among mafia being caught. (Since people will still be looking for suspicious activity)

About trenton, I have to say beforehand that my experience is minimal (just one game before) but he's acting same way he did in #34 where he was pro-town which is why I'm thinking he's okay in this game as well. Once again, this is my second game with him and just speculation on my part which might be wrong.
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CSPVG: ............... The film on tonight is Crispin Glover's directorial debut 'What Is It?" You scream. There's no end to the sadness now.
I really liked him as Thomas Edison.
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trentonlf: Was that you I was with?

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HypersomniacLive: Wait, were there no men at the cocktail party last night? Are we all single and alone? Bleh!
Or are you not into men?
I just saw this again. And Krypsyn turned out to be a man... Towandah, you sure it wasn't McNastipants that you had fun with?
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HypersomniacLive: Wait, were there no men at the cocktail party last night? Are we all single and alone? Bleh!
Or are you not into men?
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Dessimu: I just saw this again. And Krypsyn turned out to be a man... Towandah, you sure it wasn't McNastipants that you had fun with?
I was having RVS fun with Krypsyn, I assure you I was not with anyone at the cocktail party, I just drank too much :-P
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trentonlf: I was having RVS fun with Krypsyn, I assure you I was not with anyone at the cocktail party, I just drank too much :-P
I will take that 'tongue sticking out smile' as a proof of truth
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cristigale: @Dessimu, why did you mention only flubb?
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Dessimu: So now I am drawing my opinion basically from that first game I participated in. And I only know how mafia-flub might act. I especially remember the last Day in game #35, when someone said that flubbucket is suddenly too engaged in scum hunting, so he must be scum. And now flubbucket is engaged in scum hunting a lot! Which is unlike the town-flub I would expect.
That makes sense. I forget that you are relatively new. All the more reason to keep an eye on you. ;-)
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trentonlf: Welcome to the game! Please don't start talking PM information unless you have some information as to what happened last night. Who do you suspect and why?
The "PM information" was intentionally ambiguous, as far as it goes for now. Perhaps it means I have extensive information about one or more other players, and perhaps it is simply that I now know agent's alignment/role. If I do know something "extra" rest assured I will think carefully about when/how to share or breadcrumb it. But you wouldn't be you if you didn't have that objection.

As to whom I suspect, interestingly my top two suspects going to bed were cristi and lift. I'd even typed up an analysis of why I had Lift as the best candidate but decided to hold off actually going at anyone until today, when I'd had a chance to gauge others' reaction to my initial entry (both in the meaning of entrance to the game, and my first post). So I was intrigued to see cristi noting the key main point.

Generally, both had been lurking in plain sight. But Lift's vote was the most curious vote standing at the end of the day. It was made in post #63, and then remained without comment until the end of the day.

But I do think cristi soft-sells it a bit. Which perhaps makes a fine gambit to see how scum respond, so I don't think ipso facto she must be a buddy even if he's scum. But she then spins off him a bit easily without applying any actual pressure and moves on to other players. So was she town highlighting perceived scumminess, or a buddy pointing out a teammates biggest weakness and then brushing it off? It's been done. Hard to say.

That said, I would go a bit farther than where cristi took the analysis of Lift. (He's worth a full re-read, btw). The sticking point for me isn't JUST that he left an RVS vote stand until day's end, it's

1) that he was on the wagon that was the only alternative wagon to drealmer's. Imagine, hypothetically, drealmer had claimed 'cop' instead of vanilla. What happens then? A number of responses are possible of course.

But on a tight timeline, the most likely scenario is that the vote swings to flub. Our town dreads a no lynch on D1 like the plague and flub was the path of least resistance. Had Lift left an RVS vote out there on, say, Krypsyn who had no other votes, it's less meaningful. But flub was actually at L-4 and a pretty juicy backup option if the main wagon fell apart.

2) He barely engaged drealmer other than a bit of an "Ole!" encouraging him to claim his name and distaste. Not exactly hard-hitting analysis of the primary wagon, which looks worse given that he was neither justifying his own vote on flub, nor even rallying people to the wagon he was heading. He seemed quite content just to let the main wagon roll by with as little meaningful engagement as possible, and then...

3) He starts D2 by saying he will analyze who was "pushing too hard" on drealmer. Even though he was sitting on an alternative wagon with RVS justification. Which strikes me as a bit too on the nose. And considering my hypothesis that there might well have been 0-1 scum on the wagon, it's also a very nice gambit to focus attention on who was on the (very viable) wagon, rather than who was off it.

While few things in reality fit together so nicely, at least from a theoretical viewpoint, a lot of pieces here would fit very well if Lift were scum.

In any case, I need to get out the door to work and get ready for my budget meeting, but from an analytical point of view, Lift's case is the most curious to me if one digs beyond superficiality. In any case, when I do cast my vote, I think it will most likely be for Lift or cristi, and for the moment I'm inclined to at least give cristi some benefit of the doubt.

Though I'd still like to hear HSL's analysis of cristi.
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cristigale: Scum could also present the same argument, knowing that drealmer was not one of them.
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Hunter65536: I'm not very experienced so I could be wrong but why would someone who is scum try to defend someone who isn't? Lynching someone who isn't scum puts them at an advantage if they hit town or at least doesn't hurt them in case they end up hitting neutrals. On the other hand if they fail to lynch this person there's always a risk of someone among mafia being caught. (Since people will still be looking for suspicious activity)
Scum defending town is a way to for scum to gain town points. The goal would not be to ultimately prevent the lynch but to appear more town when the lynch eventually occurs. If the lynch fails for some reason, then scum may gain trust of the person who was defended and possibly others who saw said player as town.
Dean Sloth continued to work the phones, searching for replacement professors, while the group argued among themselves.

"DAMMIT!" she slammed the boardroom phone down. "Do you know how expensive long-distance charges to Finland are in 1936? Dr. Pontikka Varjo just turned me down. AAAaaAAAGGHGHHH THAT MAKES ME SO ANGRY!!!!"

She jumped up and spent a moment or two attempting to flip over the three-hundred pound boardroom table, her face getting redder and redder. The faculty paused in their conversation, and began quietly taking bets on whether or not the vein pulsing in her forehead would actually explode.

A moment later, the bet was settled, as Dean Sloth, her face now outright purple, passed out and collapsed under the table.

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Vote Count:

Leonard (2) – trent, Hunter
Hunter (2) - Lift, flub
flub (1) - Dessimu


Not voting: CSPVG, Leonard, bler, cristi, HSL, dedo

Leonard and Hunter are closest to lynch at L-4

Deadline is in approximately 60 hours. But you know, you don't have to wait that entire time. You can vote now. Really. It's in the rules. It's okay. We'll hold you and get you through it.

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@HypersomniacLive: who are your suspects as of now?
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yogsloth: [...]

agentcarr16 has been replaced by bler144

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Does this mean that I'm the only one not having someone to dislike now?
I feel left out, if not discriminated against. :(


Welcome Dr. shot blue μαϊμού! That’s just too hilarious, though I've never figured out why you have "μαϊμού" as your forum tag.


Picking up where I left off yesterday, but before anything else, a heads up to all - I had a busy day (and still not quite done), and tomorrow may be even busier (will know later today/tonight), so I may have little to no time to follow and/or post tomorrow.

I see you've been quite chatty, so I better get my reading started.
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HypersomniacLive: Welcome Dr. shot blue μαϊμού! That’s just too hilarious, though I've never figured out why you have "μαϊμού" as your forum tag.
It was either that or πεταλούδα, but I'm more goofy than pretty. So the correct path was clear.

Also, I suspect you have just a bit of a typo there, no? Were you just trying to politely avoid mentioning my diminutive stature?
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yogsloth: Deadline is in approximately 60 hours. But you know, you don't have to wait that entire time. You can vote now. Really. It's in the rules. It's okay. We'll hold you and get you through it.
Fair enough. It did briefly cross my mind to vote no lynch just to watch blood pressure rise, but at least at the moment that wouldn't actually move us forward. So....

Vote Lift.