Posted November 21, 2015
HijacK
Champion
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From Romania
bler144
μαϊμού
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From United States
Posted November 21, 2015
I'm not at all clear what you mean by that.
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
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yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
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From United States
Posted November 21, 2015
You gonna get all pissy about it? Can you not see this will work?
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
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adaliabooks
"Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?"
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From United Kingdom
Posted November 21, 2015
Oh look. Ix is here, and showing a poor grasp of the situation too.
Vote Ixamyakxim
Because up until just before I fell asleep last night I had completely forgotten he was even in the game, and that to me suggests lurking of a high order.
I unvoted Leonard exactly because I think his claim is legit. While trent may be displaying the behaviour you suggest (and don't think I haven't noticed) I think we're the only two to unvote since his claim so you seem a little overly dramatic.
I'm clearly not going to vote me, and Leonard is off the table unless there is literally no other option to avoid lynch (I believe him but I've not ruled out the possibility he and HijacK are scum), but I think there are two players who I would also vote but I need to do a reread and see if that confirms my suspicions.
Vote Ixamyakxim
Because up until just before I fell asleep last night I had completely forgotten he was even in the game, and that to me suggests lurking of a high order.
I unvoted Leonard exactly because I think his claim is legit. While trent may be displaying the behaviour you suggest (and don't think I haven't noticed) I think we're the only two to unvote since his claim so you seem a little overly dramatic.
I'm clearly not going to vote me, and Leonard is off the table unless there is literally no other option to avoid lynch (I believe him but I've not ruled out the possibility he and HijacK are scum), but I think there are two players who I would also vote but I need to do a reread and see if that confirms my suspicions.
cristigale
Yip Yip
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From United States
Posted November 21, 2015
Ixamyakxim: Are we really not going to lynch leonard?
How amazing, we stumbled on the exact single role that's already been confirmed, on Day 2. Not only that, he actually jailed Hijack for the exact same reason that several people have already speculated! The only claim easier would have been to go with coroner, then "Whoops, I was jailed *tee hee*"
And we have people in here who immediately backed off his wagon / won't vote for him, yet still claim he's one of their top scum candidates - it's like no one is even seriously entertaining that his claim is legit and yet we still won't lynch him???
trentonlf: For me it smells like a setup, adaliabooks tossed the role of a jailer protecting Hijack out there and that's why Leonard claimed it. If we lynch adaliabooks and he flips scum I'm almost certain Leonard is scum too, but if there is the chance that Leonard is really the town Jailer I don't want to lynch him. The flip of adaliabooks will tell us a lot. How amazing, we stumbled on the exact single role that's already been confirmed, on Day 2. Not only that, he actually jailed Hijack for the exact same reason that several people have already speculated! The only claim easier would have been to go with coroner, then "Whoops, I was jailed *tee hee*"
And we have people in here who immediately backed off his wagon / won't vote for him, yet still claim he's one of their top scum candidates - it's like no one is even seriously entertaining that his claim is legit and yet we still won't lynch him???
That's a good point. I prefer to go with my top pick.
unvote Leonard
vote adalia
agentcarr16
Vagabond
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From Canada
Posted November 21, 2015
The mood is swinging dramatically in the room, with Leonard03 and adaliabooks trading places in the spotlight.
Perhaps it has something to do with the lack of sunlight, but the experts are becoming rather irritable. Yogsloth stormed out earlier in the day, muttering something about "BWWRVWLRL2ADIO".
The FBI agents that are keeping an eye on the council are still trying to figure out what exactly that means, but it doesn't exactly sound complimentary...
Vote Count
adaliabooks: 5 (drealmer7, bler144, trentonlf, yogsloth, cristigale)
Leonard03: 3 (Krypsyn, Ixamyakxim, dedoporno)
yogsloth: 1 (flubbucket)
Ixamyakxim: 1 (adaliabooks)
Not Voting: Bookwyrm627, HijacK, HypersomniacLive, Leonard03
Perhaps it has something to do with the lack of sunlight, but the experts are becoming rather irritable. Yogsloth stormed out earlier in the day, muttering something about "BWWRVWLRL2ADIO".
The FBI agents that are keeping an eye on the council are still trying to figure out what exactly that means, but it doesn't exactly sound complimentary...
Vote Count
adaliabooks: 5 (drealmer7, bler144, trentonlf, yogsloth, cristigale)
Leonard03: 3 (Krypsyn, Ixamyakxim, dedoporno)
yogsloth: 1 (flubbucket)
Ixamyakxim: 1 (adaliabooks)
Not Voting: Bookwyrm627, HijacK, HypersomniacLive, Leonard03
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
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From United States
Posted November 21, 2015
Family is asleep, almost 100 posts to catch up on, and a bunch are lengthy. Better get crackin'!
Leonard03
Prepare For Descent
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From Canada
Posted November 21, 2015
So I stayed up almost all night last night playing Smash. I've got two hours of sleep. Will be back after today's jobs to post! :D
This is apologies for any and all incoherence ahead of time.
This is apologies for any and all incoherence ahead of time.
Ixamyakxim
Boxer Dogs Rule
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bler144
μαϊμού
bler144 Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted November 21, 2015
Ixamyakxim: But more and more of these "wagons" seem highly orchestrated. Like they're never intended to reach a lynch. Now that adalia's is moving again I'm super curious if anyone who has been parked on it for a good long while suddenly backs out.
Once again you make a post with a clear implication, but I'm not sure what the actual foundation is. What do you mean "more and more of these wagons"? Are you possibly including last game? In this game the only meaningful wagons were
1) yogs (max L-5, alignment unk.)
2) P1na (lynch - scum)
3) Leonard (max L-2? still in play for lynch D2 or D3, alignment unk.)
4) now adalia (currently L-3, alignment unk)
Yogs' wagon, at least realistically, was never likely to run even to claim, much less lynch, for a variety of reasons, so it's not surprising that it fell apart. And at max it was still L-5. That doesn't require any "orchestration" to scuttle. In any case, P1na came from out of the blue, and, most importantly we ended D1 on a scum lynch.
Heck, you were talking about unvoting yogs within 2-3 posts of getting on, and then instead of battling to "save" the wagon you ran off after drealmer for his out-loud theorying. So you're not exactly a purist on the matter.
The most surprising thing to me about that wagon is that Flub is still on it. In any case, you should always re-evaluate your theories and votes in light of new information.
On that point, you never answered my prior question, but you seemed to be implying we were all crazy for buying Leonard's claim. Correct? His role claim, at least for the moment, appears to hold water. His alignment is still in question. But both from the perspective of analysis and strategy that is fairly significant info you should be weighing.
I don't blame Krypsyn at all for still preferring Leonard > adalia, but I'm assuming he's at least considered what's on the table. Whereas you seem to be suggesting just plowing ahead with eyes closed.
If you doubt his role claim, it would be nice if you'd make a case for why you doubt his role claim. Maybe you know something that suggests we really should lynch Leonard today and it would be good for us to know that. Maybe you're talking out of your ass, and it would be good for us to know that.
Now, what you determine from new data is up to you. In any case, we haven't even had a bad day's outcome yet, nor do we know that any of the aborted wagons was on scum, so I'm not entirely sure what you're upset about.
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
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From Vatican City
Posted November 21, 2015
adaliabooks: I really have to applaud the effort you're going to to try and get me lynched, it's quite touching really.
[...]
I love you too, buddy! [...]
adaliabooks: [...]
I would have expected town to claim a block on someone suspected of being scum (i.e. me), this is admittedly based on the trend of roles and actions being claimed pretty quickly in the last few games so I can see there is a flaw and the fact it has not been claimed probably means little in relation to me as a town roleblocker / jailer may just wish to remain anonymous to protect themselves. I accept that.
My point about HijacK is that scum are not going to protect a target who has been specified by the mod to be easier to kill, without claiming to have done so. What's the point in pretending to be town if no one knows?
Therefore, if you assume HijacK was jailed for protection, the fact no one has claimed it leans more towards it being an action by town rather than scum trying to appear town.
But really nice try to make it more than that. Bravo.
[...]
It's you who's trying to make less out of the roles to keep it all in a nice and positive light. I assume you've seen my post to trentonlf about the HijacK block/jail, and we've been over the part about you a few times already. I would have expected town to claim a block on someone suspected of being scum (i.e. me), this is admittedly based on the trend of roles and actions being claimed pretty quickly in the last few games so I can see there is a flaw and the fact it has not been claimed probably means little in relation to me as a town roleblocker / jailer may just wish to remain anonymous to protect themselves. I accept that.
My point about HijacK is that scum are not going to protect a target who has been specified by the mod to be easier to kill, without claiming to have done so. What's the point in pretending to be town if no one knows?
Therefore, if you assume HijacK was jailed for protection, the fact no one has claimed it leans more towards it being an action by town rather than scum trying to appear town.
But really nice try to make it more than that. Bravo.
[...]
adaliabooks: [...]
Seriously Hyper, you're being purposely dense here. If I was scum and me team had a Janitor, why the hell would we think yogs was a PGO? How can scum (having a Janitor, which is pretty clear giving JMich's non flip) not know that yogs (assuming he isn't one of them) is the Coroner?
Me trying to pressure yogs into claiming makes no sense. If scum wanted him dead, they would have killed him. They will have already known from his hints and their own roles what his role is. They wouldn't have needed to push him to claim.
I just assumed (incorrectly as it turned out) that yogs might have received the flip info immediately and expected it might be shared. Or at the very least, that with the extra evidence provided by JMich not flipping, he would finish the claim he started day 1. I don't know about anyone else, but to me that would be the town thing to do. The fact he hasn't is making him slip down my scale of town players.
I see a lot of affirmative statements made with certainty here, and have to wonder how you can be so sure. I'm still trying to figure out what yogsloth's doing, he's got an eye with a raised eyebrow from me for now, so I wonder what it is that has you so certain about both the mafia team and him. And yes, I've read your later reply to bler144, doesn't look like a better argument, in fact, I'm not sure it's even a different argument. Seriously Hyper, you're being purposely dense here. If I was scum and me team had a Janitor, why the hell would we think yogs was a PGO? How can scum (having a Janitor, which is pretty clear giving JMich's non flip) not know that yogs (assuming he isn't one of them) is the Coroner?
Me trying to pressure yogs into claiming makes no sense. If scum wanted him dead, they would have killed him. They will have already known from his hints and their own roles what his role is. They wouldn't have needed to push him to claim.
I just assumed (incorrectly as it turned out) that yogs might have received the flip info immediately and expected it might be shared. Or at the very least, that with the extra evidence provided by JMich not flipping, he would finish the claim he started day 1. I don't know about anyone else, but to me that would be the town thing to do. The fact he hasn't is making him slip down my scale of town players.
As for the Coroner claim in general, I've already addressed it, which I also assume that you've seen.
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
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From United States
Posted November 21, 2015
-.-
Child woke up, so I've been busy all morning. Still about 2 pages behind; will get to it when I can.
Child woke up, so I've been busy all morning. Still about 2 pages behind; will get to it when I can.
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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From Bulgaria
Posted November 21, 2015
As I explained to flub Leonard felt he [flub] was scummy enough to vote for him over the ongoing wagon regardless of the fact he is so oriented in securing a lynch. And today, while nothing changed regarding flub, Leonard didn't re-vote stating that flub isn't "scummy enough".
On the other hand flub was all over Yog on D1 and went back onto him on D2. Unlike Leonard flub's vote is consistent (technically there isn't an official situation change regarding Yog, even though one can make quite likely assumptions).
So, a bunch of people dropped by and still no counter claim? With the risk of being accused of role fishing I strongly believe one exposed Town power role is worth one mafioso lynched, so if someone is holding back, please consider stepping out.
Leonard's wagon fell apart in favor of adalia's, so I will keep my vote on Leonard for a few hours more waiting for that counter and if that doesn't come or some other development doesn't kick in I'll switch.
Adalia already showed his readiness for voting (bussing?) Leonard. @Leonard, what is your stance towards adalia's wagon? Are you going to join it? Why (not)?
@Ix, how does Wyrm look now?
On the other hand flub was all over Yog on D1 and went back onto him on D2. Unlike Leonard flub's vote is consistent (technically there isn't an official situation change regarding Yog, even though one can make quite likely assumptions).
HypersomniacLive: But let's look at the other side of the coin - if HijacK's scum, and easier to kill after having been prodded as per rule #11, then a scum-buddy Jailer would protect him from dying if anyone targeted him. In this case, scum would not come to claim anything, as the purpose would not have been to appear town, just to save their scum-buddy's skin.
Yeah, but how likely is that given the information we had Yesterday? Unless scum know for a fact there are multiple scum teams why would they jail their buddy? How likely is for scum HijacK to get attacked just because he is more vulnerable? A vig kill seems like an anti-town move at this point, SK is the only option I see as viable, but again seems like a stretch. And most importantly, if HijacK is scum and jailed by his scum buddy for protection - why would he tell us? So, a bunch of people dropped by and still no counter claim? With the risk of being accused of role fishing I strongly believe one exposed Town power role is worth one mafioso lynched, so if someone is holding back, please consider stepping out.
Leonard's wagon fell apart in favor of adalia's, so I will keep my vote on Leonard for a few hours more waiting for that counter and if that doesn't come or some other development doesn't kick in I'll switch.
Adalia already showed his readiness for voting (bussing?) Leonard. @Leonard, what is your stance towards adalia's wagon? Are you going to join it? Why (not)?
@Ix, how does Wyrm look now?