Whut??

There is a "since" missing there.

Okay.

But what I'm seeing is there is a sense missing. I guess it could make sense, but it doesn't at the moment.

Let me re-phrase. You didn't report anything that happened to you Today. Others didn't report anything that they found out about you Today. Therefore nothing should be different about your person in terms of common knowledge. Which means you should still be the most scummy and vote-worthy player for Leonard. He chose to vote you with a massive (and a very decent one imo) wagon going on so he should have been real sold on you. Where is that Today?

More sense now?

Crystal Clear.

Bler it was this post here:

Moreover, he does it in a way without actually offering it up "on his own" - I find it very scummy when someone offers very little of their own, yet still gets in a "chip" without having to make the attack on their own.

He effectively said nothing new, but mentioned that he was "totally going to say what Bookwyrm already said" and then even alludes to having something new to offer... but doesn't.

This combined with the general tone of his posts and his vote at the end of Day One are what have me lumping him in with Bookwyrm as potential scum.

I do. But not for scum reasons.

Yes you are right, voting any person would have the same result. I don't see why that matters? I would argue that not voting anyone would have a different result though. I want to state who I think is scummy. I wanted to end the day with a vote on my top suspect. As to why I'm not voting him now, I don't consider him scummy enough. Because, IMO, you should pretty much always end the day with a vote. I don't believe in no-lynches. So when the deadline approaches, I may vote him again. But until then I'm keeping my options open.

You were the one to call it role fishing. I was asking why you wanted that discussion.

Off to work.

I haven't made up my mind whether I think Adalia is actually scummy or not; from what I've seen, he's acted pretty much in character. Maybe I need to do a re-read on his Day 1, but I have the impression that it isn't going to matter whether I do or not.

As for focusing attention on you: go back and reread the post that I "fixed". Paragraphs will be labeled according to line breaks, and named with PX where X is the paragraph number.
P1: A joke
P2: Incoming RP warning
P3: RP
P4: RP
P5: Why isn't Adalia everyone's target?
P6: Why don't people think Adalia is scum?
P7: Krypsyn, vote for Adalia!
P8: HSL, vote for Adalia!
P9: Bler, vote for Adalia!
P10: Ix, how can you NOT think Adalia is scummy?
P11: Topic change warning
P12: Why wasn't Hijack killed while vulnerable?
P13: I want to lynch Adalia, Leonard, or Hijack
P14: I think Pina needs to be lynched whenever he plays like that.

I just shortened your post a bit, while still covering the dominant point. To be fair, I did insert the bit about 11 hours, because your sudden rush to kill someone when the Day just started stood out to me.

By itself, the fact that Hijack survived while vulnerable doesn't indicate anything to me. Reread the part I bolded: that sort of thinking is the EXACT kind of reason why scum might leave him alive if he isn't scum.

And on your left, you can see a wild yogsloth going about its business in its natural habitat.

Fair enough.

Yes, as I've noted above.

Most people seem to be in agreement that Pina was done by that point, and it just needed to be formalized. Am I understanding you correctly in that one of the reasons Adalia is currently being questioned is for hammering, but if he didn't hammer then he'd have been questioned on why he didn't?

Huh. I thought, if anything, I was overly clear in who my top 3 was. Apparently not. Among other things, at this point I've re-read everyone who's in my top 3 plus 4-5 others. HSL is not one of those I've re-read, ergo he's not in my top 3.

So yes, the _only_ thing I'm really on him for is how hard he seems to be pushing adalia. But that's not nearly enough to make him a focus, much less someone I'd vote. Otherwise no real flags for me. Is that more clear?

I used him as an example as something we might "learn" from the wagon, while keeping out of play the things I'm actually watching for a bit more intently.

@dedo - I'm curious who you think my top 3 is.

I think you're misreading a bit. I'm not one of those pushing the "multiple teams" theory as plausible. Even the section you quote says "at least possibly in play" which does not say "plausible." I also note the alternative explanation is that there aren't multiple teams at all but adalia set it up as a theory to distract.

If he's scum, and there's one jailer/RB (I'm leaning to the former), then he bluffs having received the action, knowing the actual action went to Hijack, to provide "evidence" that there are two jailers, thus maybe two teams, if he gets in trouble and needs a distraction.

As for Hijack, at this point, no, I don't think the data supports him lying. Or if he is, adalia is also lying, in which case I should still be on adalia anyway. 1-shot RB is possible, but there are a variety of potential problems with that theory.

The way I see it is adaliabooks wanted to make sure he was on the wagon to lynch P1na because he knew he would flip scum. If adalibooks really thought P1na was town he would not have hammered so fast because there were others who already said they would. If adaliabooks is town I think he would have just given his opinion that we were lynching P1na for play style and then offer to hammer if there was no other option. But he knew if someone else hammered after he said that he would look guilty, so he makes a big pretense of LAMIST and in his words does the dirty deed.

Not entirely correct. I don't have issue with him hammering. I have issue with the accompanying feelings he shared about it and the hurry he was in to place that hammer. What confuses me was the flip.

On the other hand if he had stayed away from the wagon and let JMich or HSL place their own hammer as promised he might have been the one getting asked "Why weren't you on that scum wagon?".



Then I misunderstood you. Sorry about that. The numbering convention got me confused. You said you have 3 people leading, then started a numbered list which I thought was covering these options. Then it jumped into another alphanumeric list followed by a third letter bulleted list. It seems that was a bit too much to handle early in the morning :)

But that's what I mean. If your supposing it's a ploy by me and my supposed buddies then why has no one come forward? Without a blocker confirming they blocked me it's not much of a ploy...

Well considering how badly people took it when P1na claimed early I don't really want to be tarred with the same brush. I'll claim any action I might have had when it's the right time to.

Too late. You can figure it out for yourselves now.

Others have already answered, but that really is clutching at straws now. And what are you actually suggesting? If I was genuinely blocked then I couldn't have killed JMich (which is the only action I could have taken last night that would pretty much guarantee I was scum)

I hope you're at least going to put your money where your mouth is and vote me soon, as this is starting to get tiresome.

That he was lying about his playstyle and that being how he always played. And I don't think it was the case as others did confirm he is/was like that, and from what I've seen of him about the forums I can imagine that was probably the case.

I would argue somewhat that he hasn't claimed Coroner.
As much as he might like to be coy about it, there really is no other possible role yogs could have been hinting at, unless he was really a PGO and hoping to kill scum and not hit any town power roles (but that's a far too risky and anti town play even for yogs)

Ok, if JMich had flipped then it wouldn't be quite so clear (and therefore the chances of it looking bad for him aren't as high), but I at least had expected after yogs soft claim yesterday that he would elaborate and full claim today (and if he had claimed Coroner with no apparent need for one to exist then it would look bad).
But clearly yogs is annoyed that his hint was so obvious that he doesn't want to confirm what we all now know to be the case.

You have met me haven't you?
I think it's true to say that in my entire career as town I have only ever not been on one lynch wagon (Vitek's in CSPVG game, because I wasn't actually around when the wagon went down) that occurred while I was alive.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, unless I have 100% solid proof someone is town (or I suppose if lynches didn't give flips) I will vote and lynch someone.

After we cleared things up I'd say these should be adalia, Leonard and Ix/Wyrm. I'm not entirely sure about the ordering in the last 3, but I believe the remaining 2 are in that pool.

I agree that his post doesn't add much, and that, at best, it's a bit confusing.

Though "chip" or "attack" (and IIRC you used the word "accuse" prior?) seems a strong phrasing given that he said "I was going to ask about this..." and never really builds any heat from there.

Look at it from my perspective - as you note, he offers very little of his own. His words are also generally pretty bland beyond noting he had the same question as Wyrm. I can have the same question as Flub and still not agree with Flub's read of XYZ. I can ask you about something that's purely exploratory.

So on the whole I tend to agree with his interpretation in 773. The problem, if anything, is that he's coming in too soft for it to mean anything at all, where you seem to be suggesting he's come at you hard. Imo, both sides of that equation are a problem.

I can come up with alternative explanations besides scummy for why Leonard would be lurking in plain sight. It's harder for me to come up with an explanation for why you seem to be reframing some things pretty significantly. OMGUS is possible, but OMGUS applies whether one is town or scum. So my alternative explanation for you doesn't really help you all that much.