Ha, as if.

Number 6

Rofl bump. Will try to address more when I'm off the mobile device.

So is this an "official" claim?? How many is that now??

I have noticed you routinely state how you will probably be killed tonight. And yet it doesn't happen.

I don't like your play. It's not town. I'm getting tired of it.

Vote: yogsloth

#7 last for today because I need sleep.

Peeing my pants over here. Thank you Leonard!!!


Thank you Miss Othmar.

D1 Ix/Wyrm are both worth a re-read, if anyone is bored.

Wyrm D1 take:
Aside from a little bit of analysis Wyrm really didn't commit to any position on much of anything I could see. He votes Ix for potential role fishing and for the crazy "yogs is vanilla" thing. Both are points on which I do agree with him.

Most curious in context of P1na's flip is that Wyrm pushes the RVS on P1na, and then only mentions him once after post 120 (RVS unvote), which comes in 418, which you should read (below). Is he making a neutral observation, or giving a teammate tips on how to potentially escape the rope?

Anyway, it's a "read it yourself and draw your own conclusion" post. He was not on the wagon, nor helping clarify as some others not on the wagon did, and other than a note about being less-present, I'm not clear why.

Curious to hear his take on the last 24-36 hours of D1 and his non-role in them.

Ix D1 take:

Ix is kind of the opposite problem. He was on the wagon, but probably the weakest explanation for why. Had already been through votes on P1na (2nd RVS on P1na after wyrm), 21st amendment, and "actual" votes on yogs, drealmer. Vote on yogs was problematic. Vote on drealmer was problematic though he backed off when pushed. No meaningful posts after his vote on P1na (488), just his plea for Hijack to post erotica to the thread. Afraid of saying the wrong thing with the die cast? To the extent he did explain his vote at all it was in 459, where he stated a preference for actually lynching P1na/yogs over drealmer but is "voting for pressure."

Which always works best when you say it out loud. To be fair to him, in one of my posts D1 (470) I asked him a question about post 438 - he didn't answer but on re-read I noticed that I'd just misunderstood his format/segue and my question made no sense anyway. Consider that question retracted.

It's also consistent with his play from last game, though...last game he should have been the D1 lynch for various reasons including asking scum to kill the tracker. So, yeah. Neither of them leave a lot to work with, imo.

Leonard take
When wondering wth Leonard was doing, I tried to compare to other games we've played together. He was absent most of D1 in #28, and not really helpful on return. Ended up a policy lynch on D2(?) after doing not much. He was neutral survivor in #29. Nothing he did in either of those games looked like scum-hunting either. So no help as a comparison.

So what did he do in this game? Interestingly he calls out P1na for lurking (411) right before P1na indeed shows up (415) and starts posting the sequence that led to his ouster. Krypsyn's vote as first on the wagon is #416. Could be read as exculpatory or incriminating. Very helpful like that.

His vote on Kryp made no sense, either for the explanation or the timing. Though Leonard is correct that in that same post (462) he did say he would re-read the flub/yogs fight, and that he would hammer P1na to avoid no lynch. For consistency, he did say he would vote yogs to avoid no lynch, and had called out Hijack for lurking (224/226).

His final post-lynch statement on P1na, like his calling P1na out for lurking, can likewise be read 2 ways. Was he really not expecting that flip? Or was he expecting that flip and trying to look surprised? I have an opinion (ok, more of a guess), but you know, I also know the saying about opinions.

Present and accounted for! Now I have to read. Geez, I'm sure glad I don't have to read any posts made by myself! *phew*

How. Very. Interesting....*reads more**posts so you all know to expect an info dump in the next 2-3-4 hours from me barring any flesh-life distractions.*

Ugh, I was roleblocked during the night. I'm getting a sense of deja vu.

Wait wait wait wait wait. I had decided I was going to vote come the start of the day last night, before even reading posts because I was so sure of my thoughts+vote after the P1na flip. And then I got distracted reading posts because of the "JMich is dead" non-flip.

I also have a song:

Ding dong JMich is dead.

Okay, back to business...

Adalia is my #1 choice, before having read anything today, by far, sooo, yep!

Vote Adaliabooks

ok, now back to reading...oh wait, I just had the thought that that might be a bad idea, to vote without knowing the vote count (accidental hammer or whatever) but ummm, nope, that's okay for me with that vote if that is what happens.

ok, NOW back to reading...

I brought it up mostly in the sense of how we can see things (the word "town" in this case) that aren't actually there.

I do think it's possible people want to say nice things for reasons having nothing to do with the game itself. I phrased my vote for him delicately for that reason. No need to make him feel unwelcome or belittled if he actually did want another chance at some point.


My first reaction was that this is just crazy talk - at least in terms of the scenario I was envisioning you describing.

Pondering it, the alternative is troubling, though it points both directions. Could yogs still be scum (unlikely but possible) and NK someone who wouldn't give him any leeway? Sure. Could scum have chosen JMich for precisely that reason? Sure. Or could we be looking for reasons where none exist, as yogs suggests?

Does this focus make you the visionary who's seen through yogs all along (I swear I did that once)? Or scum pulling out every stop thinking the game is lost because they got a step behind and who banked everything on nailing yogs?

I hate to say it, but I think if you do actually <know> something incriminating, I kinda feel like you have to say it. And if yogs is scum, then he probably knows more than town about whatever it is you might know. So you may as well tell us before you go. If you don't know something, and feel great about the odds that yogs is scum, well, there are still probably 2-ish others out there you could be looking for. Or maybe that's just me.

But in any case, in terms of a direct answer, I think it depends a) on what scenario specifically you're proposing, and whether b) JMich's vote is make/break in terms of achieving a lynch.

At least taken as a direct statement, there's no claim in the part you quoted. Try re-reading it.

Here's what I'm hearing, more or less: "If Adalia fake-claims a role, he would only present his expectation for that role, even if a change would be of benefit to him."

Adalia is being accused of bussing a scum teammate who was already screwed. You think Yog wouldn't do the exact same thing? I don't know about you, but when I saw Pina's post that triggered Krypsyn to vote for him, I thought to myself "Well, I'm almost certain I know who the Day 1 lynch is now." I'd suspect Yog thought the same thing when he saw it, judging by HIS next post.

To find what? Would Prohibition era people have identifying tattoos on their insides? o.O

Whoa, wait. You were in the scum thread at the same time as Adalia? I suppose you did have access even after being replaced. Are you saying Adalia didn't think independently about his claim?

Four questions:
1) Which part of that analysis was faux?
2) Why is it dubious to go over a player's claim?
3) Why is the only important conclusion the possibility that Yog might be coroner?
4) Where/when did I continue to imply no flips and search for the coroner?

If JMich caught Yogsloth lying, he'd either be first in line or he'd be elbowing his way to the front. Isn't that right, JMich? ...JMich?

I also find myself in agreement with Leonard on this (more or less). I saw Pina's "tentative win" post as a joke, and his "my role is as vanilla as they come" to mean his role didn't have any wonky aspects to it.

This...sounds like a lot more work than it is worth. Why not just off you, clean it up, and then go for a softer lynch target, like Adalia or Leonard (assuming that the three of you are town)? You're very, very squirmy, and I'm really not convinced you are all that lynchable right now regardless of what you claimed Day 1.

For that matter, are you so sure that Bler, Trent, and Ix are town?

I pushed the Pina RVS as an extension of the sign-up thread chat. When Pina "won" that challenge, I dropped it. If I didn't mention Pina much after that, it was because he didn't do anything. Not a lot happened in other arenas to cause me to commit, and then I was gone for most of the weekend. I wasn't willing to touch that Yog vs Flub mess when it was the one thing going.

Friday, Pina lit a grenade in post 415, then failed to do anything but hold it. As soon as I saw that post, I was pretty certain Pina was going to die. Having phrases like "bouncy house of bones" and "I'm totally, definitely not scum" going through my head, I was sort of rooting for him to find a way out. In the meantime, I decided to wait and see other player's reactions to it. But wouldn't you know it, half the players are missing until after I've left for the weekend (see post 442). You guys are pretty neat, but I don't see the couple we visited as much as I'd like, so I was going to enjoy the one day we were visiting. I occasionally glanced in the thread and I addressed the one thing that was aimed directly toward me since it was short; I didn't particularly want to get prodded.

Maybe I could have pushed myself more Sunday afternoon (EST) to catch up, but I was stalling some (I knew Drealmer had been posting). Then Adalia hammers, and Agent closes the Day before Sunday evening (EST).

As far as the rest of Day 1 that I missed: I've had one "Oh, so that's why people are giving Leonard the stink eye" moment. I'm still not done on that front yet; I've gotten into where Drealmer has to post in rhyme. Only another page left, I think, but it is bedtime after I finish posting this.

And now I see that Drealmer has arrived. Need to stop refreshing before Drealmer can get into it so I can get to bed...

Well, there are only so many seats on the train.

Not sure I understand that statement (are you interpreting adalia's answer to my question?) but the rest of your points are fair enough for now.

I think the difference between yogs/adalia, though is that yogs was vote #3 (451), and had pushed towards P1na in 3 different posts prior to that, 507 aside.

adalia was against or ambivalent about the wagon, and then hammered when it was inevitable.

Taken alone, is it possible yogs saw the writing on the wall and bussed a teammate D1 to shield himself? Absolutely. But then one also has to assume all the other things that made even the "semi-plausible" scenario I originally proposed as well. That's where it starts to lose me. Y'know, thinking about it calmly and with more to go on than when I started his wagon D1.

Though I think we're glossing over the thing that makes yogs look scummiest: 40-y.o. white guy rap.

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On more serious matters than yog rapping, it looks like both Hijack (639) and adalia (565) are claiming to have been jailed and/or roleblocked? adalia noted flavor of being locked in a room. Hijack - was your flavor PM same or different?

Or is "roleblocked" not game related and just an admission you "partied too much" IRL?

Anyone else?

Nope.

Super.

Possibly.

Maybe.

I am Grey. I stand between the candle and the star. We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light.