Posted November 13, 2015
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
flubbucket
"Intoning"
Registered: Dec 2012
From Micronesia
Posted November 13, 2015
You forgot to put you own, and a couple of others', name in that list.
I don't recall you going after any of the above for the reason you say though.
If that is indeed the reason you're voting yogsloth, why him and not one of the others that are playing this game?
And since when anything Krypsyn does must make him town? I thought it was the opposite.
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bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted November 13, 2015
15 min check-in. Not caught up.
Krypsyn: No change. Words mean things. Often they mean more when they are said in a indirect manner (e.g. jokes, sarcasm ... metaphors). So two people say "Yes, the Foo Fighters are soooo good."
One of them is yogs; one of them is adalia. What do you conclude?
I'm aware of that. But silly =/= lying, a la the joke that Hijack thought was lame.
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Question for yogs (assuming no one else has asked):
How did you read your odds of being the D1 lynch before the play? Average, above average? You'd noted you thought you had some payback votes coming. So, above average, right? Ballpark how high? I'm fairly certain you considered it.
How did you read your odds of being the D1 lynch if you did make that play? You had noted somewhere in this game that you think Wyrm wouldn't have been lynched in game 28 if you hadn't pushed him. So, specific scenarios aside, if you were scum wouldn't you tend to think you could make this play and walk away from it?
Not asking if you are scum - asking you to analyze if you think you would make that play as scum. Krypsyn thinks no; I think yes. You think...maybe?
Do you feel like the play you made significantly changed your risk of getting lynched on D1?
<Reads on in thread, reaches P1na's post> Wait, what? This seems like asking for votes. Why you do this? Have to go and didn't even get caught up, but going to re-read today's posts later.
One of them is yogs; one of them is adalia. What do you conclude?
I'm aware of that. But silly =/= lying, a la the joke that Hijack thought was lame.
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Question for yogs (assuming no one else has asked):
How did you read your odds of being the D1 lynch before the play? Average, above average? You'd noted you thought you had some payback votes coming. So, above average, right? Ballpark how high? I'm fairly certain you considered it.
How did you read your odds of being the D1 lynch if you did make that play? You had noted somewhere in this game that you think Wyrm wouldn't have been lynched in game 28 if you hadn't pushed him. So, specific scenarios aside, if you were scum wouldn't you tend to think you could make this play and walk away from it?
Not asking if you are scum - asking you to analyze if you think you would make that play as scum. Krypsyn thinks no; I think yes. You think...maybe?
Do you feel like the play you made significantly changed your risk of getting lynched on D1?
<Reads on in thread, reaches P1na's post> Wait, what? This seems like asking for votes. Why you do this? Have to go and didn't even get caught up, but going to re-read today's posts later.
flubbucket
"Intoning"
Registered: Dec 2012
From Micronesia
Posted November 14, 2015
Unfortunately it often winds up as a policy lynch.
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
One of them is yogs; one of them is adalia. What do you conclude?
adliabooks likely means that he likes the Foo Fighters.
yogsloth likely means that the Foo Fighter are lame.
What is more important, at least in terms of Mafia, is why each of them chose to bring up the Foo Fighters at all. The answer to that might actually be the same for each. For instance, someone could have mentioned going to a Foo Fighter Concert, and they are both reacting to the same stimulus.
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
How did you read your odds of being the D1 lynch before the play? Average, above average? You'd noted you thought you had some payback votes coming. So, above average, right? Ballpark how high? I'm fairly certain you considered it.
How did you read your odds of being the D1 lynch if you did make that play? You had noted somewhere in this game that you think Wyrm wouldn't have been lynched in game 28 if you hadn't pushed him. So, specific scenarios aside, if you were scum wouldn't you tend to think you could make this play and walk away from it?
Not asking if you are scum - asking you to analyze if you think you would make that play as scum. Krypsyn thinks no; I think yes. You think...maybe?
Do you feel like the play you made significantly changed your risk of getting lynched on D1?
I’m sort of past trying to talk you out of anything, anyway. Your capacity for evolving your own logical arguments is… labyrinthine and impressive. :) If you really want to know my thought processes as Town vs. Scum, it would make more sense to answer this after the game is over.
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted November 14, 2015
I should have refreshed before hitting the post button.
Must say I'm impressed, and not in a good way.
Of course I knew that, but that doesn't invalidate my points, which you chose to ignore.
Must say I'm impressed, and not in a good way.
Of course I knew that, but that doesn't invalidate my points, which you chose to ignore.
Ixamyakxim
Boxer Dogs Rule
Registered: Feb 2014
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
I'd much rather do you (maybe yog) to be honest. But if we have time, I wouldn't mind seeing a few more votes on drealmer to perhaps persuade her to spill the beans on whether or not we have a serial killer to be concerned with.
Unless people think I should drop this line of questioning and hopefully leave it for another day?
Unless people think I should drop this line of questioning and hopefully leave it for another day?
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
Superficially caught up.
Krypsyn: What is more important, at least in terms of Mafia, is why each of them chose to bring up the Foo Fighters at all. The answer to that might actually be the same for each. For instance, someone could have mentioned going to a Foo Fighter Concert, and they are both reacting to the same stimulus. That I follow, but I haven't put together how it fits into this conversation. Don't have time to go back and add 2+2, and not really expecting you to do it for me. Maybe I'll have time to go back and figure out what your deeper implication N1, and I don't think my understanding is make or break for D1 anyway.
Dropping it for now.
Fair enough. I was typing while having a conversation with a toddler and as soon as I hit post knew the question was way too convoluted. FWIW, I also knew with fair certainty 36+ hours ago that you weren't going to be the lynch, barring a complete absence of alternate targets emerging.
I think I noted in a post a few nights ago that I expected both Flub and Trent to bounce off eventually, and had a bit of a bet (against myself) going on which would bounce first. Trent wins!
@Yogs - Let me ask one that is presumably more straightforward:
Can you (yogs) see any scenario in which you, as scum, would make this play? Yes or no.
In any case, this could well be me with blinders, but I still feel personally that this is exactly a play that yogs would make as scum. If not this time, he's now set himself up to do it next time it fits. And yes, that drives me nuts. (Yar!)
As for the field, I'm not voting Drealmer today, at least not for that. The two people on this site I talk to most outside of game are...yogs and drealmer. So right or wrong, I at least think I understand them better. And perhaps I'm overreacting to yogs precisely because of that relationship.
But in drealmer's case I'd bet a hypothetical dollar he is town and talking about serial killers either a) hypothetically, or b) because he's convinced himself there's one in the game. It was discussed in the signup thread, after all, though personally I thought Lift was bluffing. WIFOM of course.
Anyway, drealmer did the same thing a ton last game, and while I see his posts being a bit more refined, it still seems the same core style of tossing out ideas (when he is present). If we see evidence that there is an SK, it's worth coming back to this, but this is not a wagon I'm joining today.
P1na, on the other hand...I'd let that go if it were a new player. But at least technically he's been in more games than me. And he doesn't even have the excuse yogs put out that it was to start conversation. And his follow-up has been poor. I would definitely join that wagon to avoid no lynch.
In the meanwhile, sitting on a wagon that's going nowhere and observing.
Dropping it for now.
Fair enough. I was typing while having a conversation with a toddler and as soon as I hit post knew the question was way too convoluted. FWIW, I also knew with fair certainty 36+ hours ago that you weren't going to be the lynch, barring a complete absence of alternate targets emerging.
I think I noted in a post a few nights ago that I expected both Flub and Trent to bounce off eventually, and had a bit of a bet (against myself) going on which would bounce first. Trent wins!
@Yogs - Let me ask one that is presumably more straightforward:
Can you (yogs) see any scenario in which you, as scum, would make this play? Yes or no.
In any case, this could well be me with blinders, but I still feel personally that this is exactly a play that yogs would make as scum. If not this time, he's now set himself up to do it next time it fits. And yes, that drives me nuts. (Yar!)
As for the field, I'm not voting Drealmer today, at least not for that. The two people on this site I talk to most outside of game are...yogs and drealmer. So right or wrong, I at least think I understand them better. And perhaps I'm overreacting to yogs precisely because of that relationship.
But in drealmer's case I'd bet a hypothetical dollar he is town and talking about serial killers either a) hypothetically, or b) because he's convinced himself there's one in the game. It was discussed in the signup thread, after all, though personally I thought Lift was bluffing. WIFOM of course.
Anyway, drealmer did the same thing a ton last game, and while I see his posts being a bit more refined, it still seems the same core style of tossing out ideas (when he is present). If we see evidence that there is an SK, it's worth coming back to this, but this is not a wagon I'm joining today.
P1na, on the other hand...I'd let that go if it were a new player. But at least technically he's been in more games than me. And he doesn't even have the excuse yogs put out that it was to start conversation. And his follow-up has been poor. I would definitely join that wagon to avoid no lynch.
In the meanwhile, sitting on a wagon that's going nowhere and observing.
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted November 14, 2015
Can you (yogs) see any scenario in which you, as scum, would make this play? Yes or no.
Or, let me hit you from another angle:
Recall that you’re not voting for me because of this aforementioned “play”. You’re voting for me because of a joke I made to Krypsyn – one that was utterly inane, and had no bearing on anything factual or game-related. But you talked yourself into believing there were subtle shades of meaning attached.
Go back and read and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_32_booze_blood_and_bullets_the_prohibition/post142]this again and recall that you came up with all of before I made my soft-claim. You began with the conclusion that I was Scum and back-filled in the reasoning before I’d even started actually playing the game. Then when I got out of RVS and dropped the friendly digs at other players, everything I did or could have done became reinforcement for the conclusion which you already had.
I can’t lead you by the hand.
Leonard03
Prepare For Descent
Registered: Mar 2014
From Canada
Posted November 14, 2015
Ixam, I feel like you might be putting too much stock in one word like that. And what's goin to happen if more people do vote? He's (I'm pretty sure drealmer is a he) just going to say it was a mistake/accident. And where do we go from there?
I think I need to put a vote out there. I'm trying to decide between Krypsyn, flub, or yogsloth. Krypsyn mostly because of "heh". This would very (very) rarely be a useful response. I think he (and now some other people) are starting to use it as a crutch.
Between yogsloth and flub, I can't understand what they're arguing about. I'm pretty sure that's because I'm super tired right now, so I will try and read back through it later.
The other top candidates seem to be drealmer and p1na.
I'll restate that I don't think there is anything to drealmers slip, so I won't vote for him.
P1na is a little different. It seemed like a joke, and yet he's not saying its a joke. It seemed to be written half seriously. I would vote him to avoid no-lynch.
But in the meantime,
Vote: Krypsyn
I think I need to put a vote out there. I'm trying to decide between Krypsyn, flub, or yogsloth. Krypsyn mostly because of "heh". This would very (very) rarely be a useful response. I think he (and now some other people) are starting to use it as a crutch.
Between yogsloth and flub, I can't understand what they're arguing about. I'm pretty sure that's because I'm super tired right now, so I will try and read back through it later.
The other top candidates seem to be drealmer and p1na.
I'll restate that I don't think there is anything to drealmers slip, so I won't vote for him.
P1na is a little different. It seemed like a joke, and yet he's not saying its a joke. It seemed to be written half seriously. I would vote him to avoid no-lynch.
But in the meantime,
Vote: Krypsyn
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States