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dedoporno: Wtf?!

@trent, p1na kicked it up a few notches. Like a whole bunch of notches.

@p1na, this is where you start to get more involved and explain yourself.
Seriously, what's so wrong about wanting a beer?
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yogsloth: flub is voting for me not because of my specific playstyle then, but rather as a general crusade to punish players who play too similarly from game to game.
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dedoporno: Come on, man! That's even worse than before.
Well, why don't you f***ing explain it to me then? flub accuses me repeatedly of "disinformation", which I absolutely have not done, and votes me for my play being yog "always does that". It's not playstyle? It's not repetition? Well then...?

Since you seem to have such a keen understanding of flub's motivations, how about YOU tell everybody all about it?

For what it's worth, unless the pineapple can dance really well, I'll probably pull my vote off flub anyway.
And... this should about seal the No Lynch or the deadline lurker flock :(

Unvote yogsloth

Vote drealmer7

But might at least try to get something useful out of this. I was a little curious about you because you switched up playstyles, but I was willing to toss that up to a new player trying a few different things. I could just as easily have gone to P1na for many of the same reasons I went with yogsloth but I'm with adalia on this - we need to know more here:

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drealmer7: Maybe P1na has some information about flubb somehow? Maybe flubb is the SK and we should eliminate asap?
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adaliabooks: Emphasis added.

I'm not usually one to push on things like this, but it's day 1 and their's bugger all else going on.

The SK, as in; one you know exists? That seems an overly strong assumption given absolutely no evidence to suggest there is a SK.
We've had a few assumptions and odd statements in this game but this one...???
Why do you mention a serial killer out of nowhere in the same, separated line that you mention a player who later says this:

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P1na: I think the mafia winning and me surviving would be a tentative win. Mafia people, please let me know how much you'd charge for a beer? If it's reasonable, I'll consider helping you out.
Also:

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Krypsyn:
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yogsloth:
What am I missing about bler? I'll openly admit I was starting to develop a blind spot for him as, something about the tone and type of his posts had me feeling like he wasn't someone I should be worried about.
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Bookwyrm627: Vote Ixam.
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HypersomniacLive: Mind sharing why you're voting him?
He said he'd normally call me on role fishing, but this time wanted to see it. Also repeated the "Yog could be vanilla" idea, which I still haven't seen any evidence for.
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P1na: Seriously, what's so wrong about wanting a beer?
It's perfectly fine, unless you are bartering scum favors for it.



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yogsloth: Well, why don't you f***ing explain it to me then? flub accuses me repeatedly of "disinformation", which I absolutely have not done, and votes me for my play being yog "always does that". It's not playstyle? It's not repetition? Well then...?

Since you seem to have such a keen understanding of flub's motivations, how about YOU tell everybody all about it?
I don't have understanding of his motivations but he never based his swing at you on what you said last (attacking a person just because they play in a similar way to the previous game). It is that, yes, but it's taken out of context. He saw your plays as non pro-town before and saw the current one in the same way. He is attacking a recurring behavior he see as not pro-town. I'm extremely confident that he wouldn't attack a player that makes the best Town movies every game just because he does it every game. Do you see what I mean now?
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HypersomniacLive: Mind sharing why you're voting him?
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Bookwyrm627: He said he'd normally call me on role fishing, but this time wanted to see it. Also repeated the "Yog could be vanilla" idea, which I still haven't seen any evidence for.
If you believe yogs to be town I would think you would hope yogs was vanilla, because if he is town and offered up a power role for scum it's a bad play on his part. Of course as I said earlier he could have a role that's dangerous to scum if they come around and he wants them to visit him at night or maybe he is hoping we have a watcher who can catch scum if they do visit him.
This is a preemptive "I hate you all".

The thread has been relatively quiet most of the day. I just know it is going to blow up in about an hour, when I no longer have the time to really watch and post. I'll be visiting some friends of ours and spending the night, getting back sometime tomorrow afternoon/evening. So my posting is likely to be very sparse in that time period.
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dedoporno: I don't have understanding of his motivations but he never based his swing at you on what you said last (attacking a person just because they play in a similar way to the previous game). It is that, yes, but it's taken out of context. He saw your plays as non pro-town before and saw the current one in the same way. He is attacking a recurring behavior he see as not pro-town. I'm extremely confident that he wouldn't attack a player that makes the best Town movies every game just because he does it every game. Do you see what I mean now?
Read this.

Then read this.

Finally, read this.

So he saw my play as non-pro-Town before… when I was Town and blew the doors off and steered a landslide, shutout Town victory.

So if flub isn’t Scum, then he’s just completely, utterly, hopelessly, incredibly wrong and destructive to his own team. Again. But of course, I’m the “tedious” one, eh? Well, there’s a point to be had there… I’m not doing this again.

I'm also shutting up about flub today. No more in Day 1. Nobody cares.

Still waiting for dancing pineapple, and growing disappointed.
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Bookwyrm627: This is a preemptive "I hate you all".

The thread has been relatively quiet most of the day. I just know it is going to blow up in about an hour, when I no longer have the time to really watch and post. I'll be visiting some friends of ours and spending the night, getting back sometime tomorrow afternoon/evening. So my posting is likely to be very sparse in that time period.
Rofl.

I'm kind of in this boat.. I'll be on for a bit tonight and on and off over the weekend but I've got quite a bit of work on so won't be around as much...

Hence why it would be nice to get some kind of a lynch going... P1na or drealmer both seem good candidates to me.
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Bookwyrm627: He said he'd normally call me on role fishing, but this time wanted to see it. Also repeated the "Yog could be vanilla" idea, which I still haven't seen any evidence for.
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trentonlf: If you believe yogs to be town I would think you would hope yogs was vanilla, because if he is town and offered up a power role for scum it's a bad play on his part. Of course as I said earlier he could have a role that's dangerous to scum if they come around and he wants them to visit him at night or maybe he is hoping we have a watcher who can catch scum if they do visit him.
If I believe Yog to be town, then I can't believe he is vanilla. It simply isn't an option for his soft claim. If he is vanilla, then either he lied or I missed a place where scum false claimed a vanilla role.

I've already stated I'm not going back through the old game threads to look for extra scum false claims; that wasn't the fun part the first time around, and there isn't the lure of the running the deduction to help me get through a second search. Therefore, I'm using the results I have. If anyone (at all) wants to go through and find a game where 1) Yog participated in any(!) capacity, and 2) scum false claimed vanilla, then I'll drop the line of questioning. Until then, I'm going to wonder about people that push the possibility of him being vanilla.
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yogsloth: So if flub isn’t Scum, then he’s just completely, utterly, hopelessly, incredibly wrong and destructive to his own team.
Now this I agree with. Not entirely, since I don't know neither one's alignment, but I do see the possibility for him being wrong (accidentally or by intention). My main problem with your case was that based it on stuff taken out of context or twisted around. Just like with flub this may be by design or not on purpose at all. It's just like in court - you may have pinned down the culprit but he walks away in the end just because your proof was collected illegally. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend him or you at that matter. I'm trying to make sure the result is based on proper arguments and reasoning.
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trentonlf: If you believe yogs to be town I would think you would hope yogs was vanilla, because if he is town and offered up a power role for scum it's a bad play on his part. Of course as I said earlier he could have a role that's dangerous to scum if they come around and he wants them to visit him at night or maybe he is hoping we have a watcher who can catch scum if they do visit him.
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Bookwyrm627: If I believe Yog to be town, then I can't believe he is vanilla. It simply isn't an option for his soft claim. If he is vanilla, then either he lied or I missed a place where scum false claimed a vanilla role.

I've already stated I'm not going back through the old game threads to look for extra scum false claims; that wasn't the fun part the first time around, and there isn't the lure of the running the deduction to help me get through a second search. Therefore, I'm using the results I have. If anyone (at all) wants to go through and find a game where 1) Yog participated in any(!) capacity, and 2) scum false claimed vanilla, then I'll drop the line of questioning. Until then, I'm going to wonder about people that push the possibility of him being vanilla.
I see your point, but in this instance if yogs is town I actually hope he is lying and is vanilla. About the only way it's a good play (imo) for him to actually have a power role and blurt it out for scum to know is if it's a role that can hurt scum if they visit him at night. Either way it still rubs me the wrong way that he even did it, but that ship has sailed and trying to determine his role or non role isn't what we should be doing.
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trentonlf: I see your point, but in this instance if yogs is town I actually hope he is lying and is vanilla.
I'm guessing you see the irony in hoping that a townie is lying. :)

Assuming he IS town, of course. If he isn't, then the whole thing is moot anyway.
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dedoporno: It's perfectly fine, unless you are bartering scum favors for it.
Oh come on! Like mafia is actually going to actually buy me one! I've only met 3 goglodytes in person and none of them are playing.

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adaliabooks: Rofl.

I'm kind of in this boat.. I'll be on for a bit tonight and on and off over the weekend but I've got quite a bit of work on so won't be around as much...

Hence why it would be nice to get some kind of a lynch going... P1na or drealmer both seem good candidates to me.
Yup, I'm leaving as well, so let's pick one. I say drealmer, no particular reason.
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adaliabooks: Thing is... you may not believe it, but that vote was genuinely random. It just happened to land on CSPVG, but while I was tempted to role again I thought screw it and went ahead anyway.

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Thing is... my point is not about who you rolled, only why and when you did it, and how you went about to justify it.


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adaliabooks: [...]

Yes! Now you've got it! ;)

Although considering you're imploring us to consider scum to be intelligent, suggesting that anyone might have missed yog's claim seems to be crediting the players with a low level of intelligence or interest in the game...
(And before you say anything, I know you haven't actually said that, but suggesting that anyone may not have picked up on yogs claim in the way I hadn't picked up on the details you had in that other game amounts to the same thing as far as I can see)
I'm imploring you? Are we in the "who's going to go over the top the most with his wording" game?

And I'm not suggesting anything about anyone else, I'm only talking about you.



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Krypsyn: Post 335. You wrote: "Well, at least you don't deny that you have no intention to enlighten the rest of us that don't get your reasons."

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You seem to be nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking out of context, and I have no interest in keeping this silly game going.



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P1na: What can I say? I haven't been spending as much time on the forum lately, but tonight I didn't quite like the game I was intending to play so I'm hanging around longer, therefore posting more. It seems everyone is basing their play on how previous games went, so let me give you (and anyone else who cares) a fast rundown:

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Did I miss any?
I wouldn't know if you did, but is this your defence? The way you keep responding when asked to explain yourself is not doing you any favours, quite the contrary I'd say. I don't know what your alignment is, but what you hinted at doesn't sound at all like you're town, and if you are, then it's far worse than if you aren't. On top of that, you want us to take your word that if what you say sounds really bad it's the exact opposite? Not good enough.