I don't get it, bler. You're at L-2 still (oh yay a refresh so I can confirm that is actually true.) Yet you say you're "effectively at L-1"? Why is that exactly? You're at L-2. You're all about pressuring people with votes through the game, and yet you get a little bit of pressure and you throw your hands up and seem to essentially say FTS? Is that your move then? It has to be, I can't see any sense in it otherwise. Especially considering you still need 2 votes to get lynched. I think it is all a ploy. Especially considering you don't really tell us much that seems solid. And you seem so certain, but don't support that certainty with enough for me to believe it, actually.

If you're going to do what you are seeming to do, why not just tell us who all was on your team? And more of your thoughts/what you think is what with reasons behind it, what you give is really really weak. I'm not even sure what you're saying adds up numbers wise as far as the game being over.

If I undertand you right you are saying it is 3townV1(you)V1(1 left alive from yogs you say? can you at least tell us who the other dead from his team is?)V3(Ix + flub + HijacK)? Is that right in me representing what you're saying?

If that is true and if you die today, that leaves it 3v1v3 for tonight, and that is not a sure win for the team of 3, is it? And that is only if your scenario is correct, right? And I'm supposed to believe you and unvote you because you are, what, trying to help town for some reason suddenly?

Yeah, no, you are just putting on a show to try and survive another day. No claim, no solidly believable tellings of anything. My vote is sticking. I urge 2 others to go ahead and get it done, he is obviously scum.

Dedo, is this confession from bler what you call "pinned down" ???? I think I do.

I don't get where he got his teams from. Like, before he admitted to being scum and doing NK's he challenged the notion he was on trent's team when the data was there to show it as truth, but now he comes up with random teams out of nowhere, with no whatsoever configuration and people are supposed to take what he says for granted.

I curious. Do scum teams know how many are left in another specific scum team? That would be a bit broken from a gameplay point of view.

None of this really adds up. I'm giving him a few more hours to answer dedo's questions, afterwards I'm pressuring people to vote.

I was mostly curious for Wyrm to answer my question. Based on his question above, my guess is that town actually knows who is town, and that all this preening to try and look townie doesn't fool town at all - at best it's trying to fool other scum.

Which, if true is a nice twist.

Though considering they're the majority (even if somewhat splintered) fooling the people who can NK you does still have some value.


Yes. The advantage of a failed kill N1 was that we had time to experiment on what the priority mechanism is and how to exploit it. Particularly in killing HSL N2, that meant his team didn't even have time to start sorting out what the mechanism was until N3.

Still not sure _exactly_ what it is, but we've tried to control and repeat the variables that gave us success the prior night.

My guess is Trent is the one who sorted out the element that's most important.


Now you're just pretending to not understand. Besides, I specifically wrote that Ix will hammer if the opportunity presents. The only real question is whether he does it fast or slow. Whether or not you agree with that, it's why I said I'm "effectively" at L-1 from my view.

Eh, why not.

Did not know there were mult. teams at first. The proof of that is Leonard's awkwardness around P1na's wagon - he stayed off because there were already at least 2 of us on the wagon, and he thought P1na would flip town, because Leonard, of course, was scum. Started suspecting the possibility of a 3rd squad on D3 when some pieces didn't fit, but didn't actually 'know' until Ix mentioned a 3rd blocker.

Teams started with 4. Obviously Trent-Leonard-myself, and I'll let people guess at the 4th for kicks. I suspect Wyrm knows.

Trent was godfather. The whole cop-immunity thing was a red herring because there's no cop in the game. Hang on to that thought. The other two godfathers are....either Flub/Ix as the second, and you/drealmer as the 3rd. Why did Trent use the ability in that scenario? Well, you can read about that after the game. TLDR version, he went for "bold" over the safe play. I suppose not so different from all this.

I'm a ninja. The whole tracker-immunity thing is a red herring because...there's no tracker. Hijack could gamble that there wasn't going to be a counter claim because either a) adalia's claim was true, or b) just the number of people who returned no results from being jailed. Whole lotta people not moving around at night.

Who are the other ninjas? HSL and Hijack.

Why is there a ninja in a 1930s game, and why does a ninja have janitor powers? Beats me.

Godfathers don't modify the flips of others. 2 of tent's hammers flipped with modified alignments and flips when they obviously weren't.

So, you're saying that in a game with NINJAS that cannot be tracked, THERE ARE NO TRACKERS! Are you also insinuating that in a game with godfathers there are no cops?

Am I the only one that finds this a ridiculous lie.
Wow, people still give me shit for Bulletproof Berzerker, but this gets a pass? I need some tea. This is getting more ridiculous than a Monty Python sketch.

I'm leaning this way. Bler has admitted he's scum, I'm having a hard time buying this...each scum team has a godfather, a jailer, and a ninja? How would town stand a chance?

Is Ixam the only one who hasn't checked in since bler claimed?

Absolutely. Especially given that he had me fooled pretty good. Even with what has been going on between HijacK and him, flub's fast vote made me a bit cautious. Nevertheless, there is no going back for bler now. Yet, I still want to figure some stuff out first.



On the contrary. Don't do that just yet. There is still information to be gathered here. I can't say I appreciate the haste you're trying to shut him up with.



Thank you. We'll get there, I promise. Just don't put him at L-1, since I'm pretty sure his rivals will take him out so he doesn't sing.



I find this a bit hard to believe since this means there were only 4 of us as well, against 12 scum, but it seems the game is weird enough, so I won't discard it right away.

So, why didn't you clean the last 2 NKs if they are your team's doing? Also, how did the godfather ability of Trent exactly work?

If you want help getting your NK to go through tonight, it helps to write a short poem praising the mod in your request.

Lift is such a sexy mod
it makes me want to weep
silently down the hall I trod
to kill _____ in his sleep

Try that.

Was getting my daughter lunch anyway.

How does Trent's ability work? Other than that he can modify a flip to vanilla town when he hammers, I don't really have any specifics. I wasn't lying when I said I didn't predict him to hammer himself, and when he did it I really thought it was to make Hijack's head explode.

Trent couldn't mess with NK flips. He made the kill because Yogs was going to know what his role was, and would be unlikely to block him. Seemed like a 50/50 chance yogs would jail me if he wasn't going to kill me since I at least had his attention.

I didn't mess with Krypsyn's flip because I was pretty sure he would flip scum. As a general rule, I don't see the point of a janitor unless the janitor gets the flip info, and other than a bit of flavor info that points to alignment and night action yes/no, I really don't. But in this particular case, I felt good Krypsyn would flip scum and was inclined to let it show as my slim chance to blend back in.

Hijack went scorched earth anyway, so it didn't really matter in the end.

Oh I definitely want to hear what he has to say and wasn't trying to shut him up with haste really. I want to hear all of what he has to say, whether I believe it to be true or not, it can definitely be helpful.

The thing at the forefront of my thoughts is that at this point in the game, being at L-2, and doing what he did? I don't really understand that at all and think it is more likely than not a ploy to try and confuse everything, make people take pause and think "oh wait, maybe if we do lynch him another team will suddenly control the vote and so we shouldn't lynch him" when really we should.

I am especially interested in the last things you asked him about.

He says teams started with 4??? 4townV12scum?? That is my nightmare-scenario I thought a WHILE ago in a paranoid fit, then discarded, and only thought of again yesterday a bit because of how the numbers POSSIBLY could be, but nothing other than a slim possibility. That is friggen whacked if true, really.

*refresh*

interesting indeed, bler. Please, tell more if you are willing to share whatever thoughts.

You brought up bulletproof berzerker to avoid being lynched. I'm actually looking forward to being done. I'm going this route rather than quitting as payback for you going nuclear. The only reason I would advocate keeping me around another day is balance rather than letting you roll over the field, but personally I'd rather be done.

Besides, you're intentionally muddling the obvious:

1) yogs predicted a role that could muss with lynch flips
2) trent is that role
3) yogs/trent are very clearly not on the same team. Yogs is good but that was not a guess.
4) thus, yogs team has whatever Trent is (GF) too.
5) thus, your team has whatever Trent is too.

You've been good about speculating on scenarios largely so that no one can actually tie you down to anything. Right?

Won't it be amusing if town knew you were bluffing the whole time?

I can't think of anything else that seems important at this moment.

If what bler is saying is true (I mean the numbers, not the actual roles/teams) we'll have to work with scum just to have a chance at making a comeback. On the flip side it seems scum will very well have to work with whomever is left on our end, too. If they remain townless they will have to NK the shit out of each other and I still can't predict how it will work out for them, especially if the NKs are limited. Let's hope there is a bit of light at the end of the tunnel after all. We'll have to see.

At this point I don't have more questions. It would be fair to wait for Ix before lynching, but I'm still fairly certain he is scum so you'll have to excuse me if I don't lose my sleep over it :)

If you don't have anything else to go through I can put bler at L-1 and his flip will testify more towards his claims.

All I can do is speculate on scenarios. I think you're just amusing yourself with last-ditch efforts to remain alive by painting doubt and giving as much mis-information mixed with possible real information anywhere you can attempt to find that will work to your advantage. And you do a very good job at not actually answering the most relevant questions but making it seem like you're giving up and it is all over (as I see it, anyway, it's just too premature for that and it's all a charade.)

In what you're saying, you say there are 3 town left? Can you at least tell me who you think the dead townie is?

Seems reasonable with me. Have at it.

Hold on that please, Dedo. I'd like to have a chance to really catch up and weigh in tonight.

Hijack, what is your win condition and your flavor for being here?