Why? Assuming the usual ratio of mafia/town for this game, that means 25% of the players are scum. So 1 out of 4 being an intruder is the most likely probability, assuming random picking of roles. Since the people handling the crisis were not picked at random, why would you think that this subgroup has more intruders than the random distribution? And which of the 4 people handling the crisis do you see so scummy that you think at least one, if not two are intruders?
Ah, apologies, you already said that you think the most likely one to be an intruder from the handlers is me. Funny, what makes you think I'm an intruder? Could it be because I'm questioning you? Does that mean that should I die on the first night, you are most likely scum?

Easiest way to identify scum is to catch them in a lie. People that stay silent are harder to catch in one, thus are also more suspect than those that do talk. It is indeed a damned if you, damned if you don't scenario, which does require you to know that you will eventually be lynched due to what you said. Your best bet though is to be as clear as possible, elaborate when asked, and question anything you are not clear about. Should you be lynched, people can take a second look at the reasons people acted like they did (either going on the lynch wagon, or refusing to board it). The reason people act in they way they do is quite important, thus why quite a few of us ask others for clarifications.

Thinking is always bad.....much like exercise

I'm attempting to narrow down my suspects. Currently I could easily Vote for either trentonlf or yogsloth. This is based mostly on the early talk regarding the FIN stat. yogsloth seemed ignorant and trentonlf gave the prompt to PM the mod. It seemed trentonlf was less than clear regarding the FIN stat as well. trentonlf seems to be baiting dreamweaver to reveal a Night 0 action in post #195.

After allegedly PMing the mod, trentonlf makes the point in post #326 of how it must be important because "...why else put them in our PMs..." Posts #624 & #693 stink of Wine!!!

Okay I have to take a dump and get ready for work.

For now:

Vote: trentonlf

Evidence/examples of what I consider odd behavior for an A.I., maybe I'll call it:


My case for Q.U.A.D

or my

vote QuadrAlien campaign maybe? To me, that is all suspicious A.I. behavior. what does anyone else think?
The A.I. doesn't have subroutines or automatic scripts running, this is not a good sign for a space station computer system, in my opinion, and, seems to be making mistakes off and on with its calculations and its priorities seem a bit screwy.

Oh, more evidence you say you want of Q.U.A.D.'s behavior that is treating us like an experiment:

Yogsloth is feeling tortured, it seems.

That shiny search bar is not even doing him much good, it seems.
I see, more time, you ask? Hmmm, what does everyone else think?

Need I quote the times Q.U.A.D. is seeing elves and flamingos? I don't think I should have to, if you haven't noticed it, you haven't been paying attention to the computer and that is a problem and that is a different problem than what I'm talking about here so, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's not odd behavior or anything for an A.I., sure...okay...*sarcasm*

*pets the monitor and talks gently" It's okay Q.U.A.D., really, I care for your well-being and hope we can fix you/you don't really make this situation worse than the intruders are making it! I don't REALLY mean those things I said about smashing you~!

*gives drealmer7 some claming balm*
That should help, try breathing deeply... There there. ;)

I just think it is POSSIBLE, not the only possibility. Again, it sounds like you're trying to confuse what I'm saying. We simply do not know the method of selection, at all. It could have been completely random and all 4 could be intruders!!! Who knows, I was just sharing some thoughts. What do you think about the selection?

It was meant to be an example. A simple arbitrary speculation based on nothing solid just like every other judgement made by me or anyone else at this point FOR EXACTLY THE REASON you say, "because you are questioning me" was all part of the example, it was meant to be a case in point example of exactly that behavior!!! I didn't actually mean to say or imply that I think you are an intruder moreso than anyone else in the group (as I said in previous post, actually, dedeporno is looking possible because of the vote of Ix, but again, it is ALL conjecture, not meant as an attack, just talking possibilities.) And, even if I was going in the direction that it is you in the list who is the intruder if there is only 1 or whatever else is possible, I would have phrased it "more possibly an intruder, than the others, in my opinion, but who really knows." Not "I think they ARE an intruder!" Never with such certainty from me, I think. At least at this point.

To be clear, at this point, I would never say "I think you are an intruder" to you, but, still, the general "I think you could be an intruder" which is POSSIBLE of everyone here.
And I find it an intruder-like thing to do (or rather, a quality of those less trust-worthy, PERHAPS) who try to get people to around and around and around explaining themselves trying to get them to say things in different ways and confuse them and the situation at hand when they actually understand the person just fine. The people asking pretend to not understand when they actually do and they manipulate the questions and the contexts and the meanings, you know, twist their words and ultimately use their words against them erroneously/for their own questionable motives that are actually the motives/people to be looking out for. The more you get someone to talk, the more you can take the opportunity to draw what they say into question to ANY degree especially if you get them flustered, which is what i believe some people are trying to get me to do to try and draw suspicion on myself, whatever, I understand that is what intruders do, afterall.

I'm not saying that is what you are doing, I'm saying that is what some, POSSIBLY, have been doing, with me. Are you one of them? Or are you really trying to understand me more fully? I can't tell. Really, I can't.

And, at this point, I feel like I have been clear on my positions and if I have not been, I am sorry. You should all understand my views and positions at this point, I really really think.

I'm going to go dream of fresh-baked apple pie, if you know what that is.

Long story short, Krypsyn is both retarded and scum :D

I like how you started adding that little disclaimer every time you call someone an intruder.



Compliments from drealmer7.



What do you mean? All of us! All of us are the 1-2 intruders!



Maybe you'll do a better job if you stop voting for the Count all the time.



I'm totally stopping being confused about what you think from now on. I have one small suggestion. I like that you started to segment your content in paragraphs which is real nice. The next step should be making it even more granular by dividing each paragraph into smaller sentences. Look at that quote alone - it's three lines of text yet a single end punctuation mark. That's hard to follow.



You and Yog already tried this at the beginning and it didn't work.

Totally! No need for apologizing.

Yep, I agree and didn't mean to suggest that I thought we could vote for him (otherwise (obviously, if I thought I could, my vote would be cast for QuadrAlien, but, that has been covered and, so, yeah, obviously.)

That is why I pet the monitor of the computer system and told it I didn't REALLY want to destroy it. Though, I do wonder if there would be consequences if we did have a majority vote for QuadrAlien in an attempt, but that is mostly just fun curiosity at this point (after all, of course the crazy A.I. in charge of everything is going to say "nonono, that is not an option!" when, maybe, if we simply took a giant tool and smashed it to bits, MAYBE it would be, but, really, it's just fun mental-masturbation and was meant to be entertaining yet pointed at the same time.)

I also expressed (and so, again, I thought that my awareness of not actually being able to vote for QuadrAlien wasn't in question because of this) that I want to try and fix it and hopefully we can get it working to our advantage before this situation is over. I was just pointing out that the element here with the MOST questionable and suspicious behavior is Q.U.A.D., it's really the only one with any real evidence of nefarious behavior.

Isn't that interesting?

That's not what I said at all. To me, that is you simply trying to twist my words and cause problems. You're taking what I said and changing it, right in front of everyone's eyes. I never said "retarded", I never said "scum" and I never said anything with such certainty. What I said, to REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN, is that it is POSSIBLE he is an intruder, and it is possible he is just developmentally disabled, or a child, or both, or something else entirely, I DON'T KNOW.

First, have I actually called/accused anyone an intruder? I don't think I have and if I have, I haven't meant to. What I have meant, as I thought was clear (*sigh*), is that there are varying degrees of POSSIBLY intruders, and, our jobs, is to try and figure out who that is and make our best judgement. That's what I'm doing. What I am doing is saying that I think it is more possible Vitek is an intruder. I'm not saying "he IS an intruder", so definitively. Do you understand the difference/do you understand me now?

And, do you really appreciate my disclaimers (which haven't been worded exactly as the one you quoted every time)? Or is that sarcasm? (which really doesn't help effective communication, it just confuses things!)

Really, I thought it was obvious this WHOLE time since the situation started that it wouldn't have needed to be a disclaimer anyone used at any point, but, yes, I started saying it just to be clear, because I'm striving for clarity and understanding and it seems some people don't understand that that is just how it is and by my suppositions I don't mean to be harshly accusatory to any degree, I'm just trying to talk about the intruder situation and the options of who to vote for for elimination.

No, I didn't actually, I suggested the vote, didn't actually vote for it, yogsloth and JMich did, maybe you aren't paying attention? Because, you know, those need to be bolded (and I knew that at the time I suggested "vote QuadrAlien", I knew at the time and still know, that if I actually wanted to try and cast that vote, that I needed to bold it, and I didn't because it wasn't a serious attempt. I really really really thought all of that was clear. Are you just trying to confuse the situation/add to me writing MORE stuff in the log for people to read? Or are you really trying to understand?)

Ok, so, you don't actually like/want/need my disclaimers then, is that what this means?

More entries like this from the rest of the group would be much appreciated. You told us some things you're thinking, why, and gave a vote. Thank you VERY much! I also, as said, appreciate Krypsyn for trying to help move the situation along and get this awfully dirty deed we have to do together out of the way and on with the situation at hand. So, yeah, NEXT person with any input and/or a vote to go along with it, please step up!

I did question the mod, I specifically asked what FIN was as I had no idea. He answered in post 2 because a lot of people were asking. So what is suspicious about we not knowing what FIN was? And the whole reason I pointed out to yogsloth about PMing the mod was because I did not want another scenario like last game, last game it was revealed day one about restrictions and if someone didn't "get it" they were under suspicion. It turned out most that didn't get it were scum or neutral, and so the game was broken from the start. If FIN was something not in everyone's PM we could have been in the same situation.

As for baiting drealmer7, that's not he case at all. At the time he was arguing that anyone on yogs wagon was suspect if being an intruder and all his arguments were based on the assumption yogs was town. I was pointing out to drealmer7 that he needed to look at he situation from both sides and it could be possible that yogs was scum, all his arguments were based on yogs being town. I was pointing out the only way he could know if yogs was town for sure is if he had a N0 action that told him that it he was scum.

What is wrong with post 326 exactly? Is there something wrong with me saying the stats are probably important because they are in our PMs?

I'm also confused as to what is wrong with posts 624 and 693. Are you saying I was drunk when I posted them? That would be funny to see since I don't drink.


On another note, I find it interesting that anytime a wagon is being formed on someone drealmer7 starts saying anyone on the persons wagon is suspect of being an intruder. Go back and look at yogs early wagon and the current wagon on Ix and you'll see how all drealmer7's intruder suspects are ones on the wagon. It seems he is so against a lynch that anyone for a lynch is an intruder.

I had issue with "a wagon" being formed so quickly and early and seemingly, to me, with practically no reason. It was a bunch of "yeah let's kill him!" mentality to start as I asw it. I understand any reason to think someone is an intruder is arbitrary, even at this point, but to me, it seems even more-so likely at the very beginning when yogsloth's "wagon" was being formed that those people were intruders because they were being very quick to try and get someone killed, with very little discussion it seemed to me.

I'm simply calling into question that behavior, I'm not necessarily saying it DOES mean something, I'm saying it is POSSIBLE that it means they are. I understand it could be completely the other way, as you have said in response to me before. Again, I wasn't meaning to assume he is a crew member, I am simply theorizing/discussing the possibilities as they come up. Just as I don't mean to assume anyone is an intruder based on their behaviors either, I realize, it is all conjecture, as I've said, just trying to talk about it all. There are many angles to consider, that is what I am doing.

As it is now, I can understand his early behavior as being more crew-member/friendly pontificator (and he's even explained his behavior pretty well, and seems legit TO ME) more than I can understand it as him being possibly an intruder. NO hard evidence either way, I am simply leaning more towards crew-member than intruder. Yes, I know I could be wrong. We all could be.

No, I have voted for someone to be eliminated. If I were so against it would have not voted yet, I think that makes sense, at least. I mean, we can go back to discussing the no-lynch option if you want to. I'm open to ALL ideas.

So, yeah, moving forward? Anyone else on input on who should be eliminated or why someone up for vote should specifically NOT be eliminated? I'd love to hear.

And I was thinking Drealmer7 could assign Chapters and and maybe even verses to the posts. That why we could publish the .pdf when this is over...

Well, if you recall/go back and look, I also was one who had started to think Ix might be an intruder and almost did cast a vote for him, he had been near the top of my list at the beginning as well. I may have been one of the first to question his behavior/suggest it was odd, even. However, he explained himself and his actions WELL ENOUGH to curb my suspcion WELL ENOUGH for now to not think strongly enough to vote for him as a POSSIBLE intruder, yet. Who knows what will happen, but, obviously I'm not the only one not convinced well enough that he is an intruder, it's not like there is that much of a vote or argument against him going and I'm not holding up his execution single-handedly or anything. If you want to make more of a case for why we should vote for him, I'm open to hearing it.

As I have watched it all develop, it seemed his explaining was making more sense and that there were other people simply trying to confuse what he was doing/make him seem suspicious, and yes, it is those people that I find suspicious moreso than others because it seems they (you! trentonlf!) are just trying to confuse the situation rather than work together to resolve it. It is not that I find the simple fact that those people want to kill someone suspicious, it is a bunch of little things and added up behaviors and observation and judgement and, yep, simple speculation and conjecture. AGAIN, of course I could be wrong, just as anyone could be, and, hopefully we can get it right and eliminate an intruder and save the station! Again, that is what we're trying to do, discuss the possibilities and make the best/right decision.

and around around around we go