JMich: Why? Assuming the usual ratio of mafia/town for this game, that means 25% of the players are scum. So 1 out of 4 being an intruder is the most likely probability, assuming random picking of roles. Since the people handling the crisis were not picked at random, why would you think that this subgroup has more intruders than the random distribution?
I just think it is POSSIBLE, not the only possibility. Again, it sounds like you're trying to confuse what I'm saying. We simply do not know the method of selection, at all. It could have been completely random and all 4 could be intruders!!! Who knows, I was just sharing some thoughts. What do you think about the selection?
JMich: And which of the 4 people handling the crisis do you see so scummy that you think at least one, if not two are intruders?Ah, apologies, you already said that you think the most likely one to be an intruder from the handlers is me. Funny, what makes you think I'm an intruder? Could it be because I'm questioning you? Does that mean that should I die on the first night, you are most likely scum?
It was meant to be an example. A simple arbitrary speculation based on nothing solid just like every other judgement made by me or anyone else at this point FOR EXACTLY THE REASON you say, "because you are questioning me" was all part of the example, it was meant to be a case in point example of exactly that behavior!!! I didn't actually mean to say or imply that I think you are an intruder moreso than anyone else in the group (as I said in previous post, actually, dedeporno is looking possible because of the vote of Ix, but again, it is ALL conjecture, not meant as an attack, just talking possibilities.) And, even if I was going in the direction that it is you in the list who is the intruder if there is only 1 or whatever else is possible, I would have phrased it "more possibly an intruder, than the others, in my opinion, but who really knows." Not "I think they ARE an intruder!" Never with such certainty from me, I think. At least at this point.
To be clear, at this point, I would never say "I think you are an intruder" to you, but, still, the general "I think you could be an intruder" which is POSSIBLE of everyone here.
drealmer7: you're actually glad to just try and have me keep rambling on and on rather than provide anything more yourself or ask for more from others who've been practically silent.
JMich: Easiest way to identify scum is to catch them in a lie. People that stay silent are harder to catch in one, thus are also more suspect than those that do talk. It is indeed a damned if you, damned if you don't scenario, which does require you to know that you will eventually be lynched due to what you said. Your best bet though is to be as clear as possible, elaborate when asked, and question anything you are not clear about. Should you be lynched, people can take a second look at the reasons people acted like they did (either going on the lynch wagon, or refusing to board it). The reason people act in they way they do is quite important, thus why quite a few of us ask others for clarifications.
And I find it an intruder-like thing to do (or rather, a quality of those less trust-worthy, PERHAPS) who try to get people to around and around and around explaining themselves trying to get them to say things in different ways and confuse them and the situation at hand when they actually understand the person just fine. The people asking pretend to not understand when they actually do and they manipulate the questions and the contexts and the meanings, you know, twist their words and ultimately use their words against them erroneously/for their own questionable motives that are actually the motives/people to be looking out for. The more you get someone to talk, the more you can take the opportunity to draw what they say into question to ANY degree especially if you get them flustered, which is what i believe some people are trying to get me to do to try and draw suspicion on myself, whatever, I understand that is what intruders do, afterall.
I'm not saying that is what you are doing, I'm saying that is what some, POSSIBLY, have been doing, with me. Are you one of them? Or are you really trying to understand me more fully? I can't tell. Really, I can't.
And, at this point, I feel like I have been clear on my positions and if I have not been, I am sorry. You should all understand my views and positions at this point, I really really think.
I'm going to go dream of fresh-baked apple pie, if you know what that is.
