Posted October 07, 2015
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
I'm open to seeing all sides, even the tiny edges. If you have any information, share it, that is why I ask "thoughts?" If all you have are premature accusations and conjecture, try not to be so steadfast in your ways, simply listen to the possibilities and tell me what you think of the possibilities, that is all I am asking.
This makes more suspicious behavior from you, trentonlf. It seems you're trying to confuse the situation. I didn't say anything about yogsloth being crew as fact. The facts are that for some reason, yogsloth is getting jumped on prematurely with no reason. I read all of the log entrees, multiple times. Just because I don't have proof that yogsloth is not scum, does not make him scum. Let's not commit the age-old fallacy of "if the person floats they're a witch" or whatever nonsense. Trying to jump to conclusions and put the blame on someone without any evidence only paints yourself as possible intruder, along with the others I have listed (I've gone back and forth on you, you're simply drawing more suspicion by your irrationalities.) I'm not saying they are intruders, I'm saying I find it more possible that they are than others. Again, let's not make any hasty decisions and try and keep calm.
Again, speak for yourself only, please. It makes me extremely uncomfortable that you use the term "we." As if you have some authority over our group. If you care to share why you think it is a bad idea, I'd be open to hearing it, but all I see as of now is a bunch of pre-mature accusations and that someone may die that doesn't need to.
This makes more suspicious behavior from you, trentonlf. It seems you're trying to confuse the situation. I didn't say anything about yogsloth being crew as fact. The facts are that for some reason, yogsloth is getting jumped on prematurely with no reason. I read all of the log entrees, multiple times. Just because I don't have proof that yogsloth is not scum, does not make him scum. Let's not commit the age-old fallacy of "if the person floats they're a witch" or whatever nonsense. Trying to jump to conclusions and put the blame on someone without any evidence only paints yourself as possible intruder, along with the others I have listed (I've gone back and forth on you, you're simply drawing more suspicion by your irrationalities.) I'm not saying they are intruders, I'm saying I find it more possible that they are than others. Again, let's not make any hasty decisions and try and keep calm.
Again, speak for yourself only, please. It makes me extremely uncomfortable that you use the term "we." As if you have some authority over our group. If you care to share why you think it is a bad idea, I'd be open to hearing it, but all I see as of now is a bunch of pre-mature accusations and that someone may die that doesn't need to.
Post edited October 07, 2015 by drealmer7
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted October 07, 2015
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2) Consider the situation we are on Day 1. A bunch of people (16 in this game) with no idea who to vote for, or why. We all go for the no lynch, night comes, then Day 2. We still have no idea who to vote for, and we are one townie down. Unless you know that there are investigative roles (and multiple at that) who may give us some info on the next day, going for no lynch is a very bad idea, since it basically means we just lost one person. And if you vote no-lynch because you do have knowledge of an investigative role, that means that you are said role, so you just gave scum a very big fat juicy target for the night kill.
Suggesting no lynch on day 1 is a bad idea. Thus why I (and Vitek) say that we won't be going for no lynch.
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
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2) Consider the situation we are on Day 1. A bunch of people (16 in this game) with no idea who to vote for, or why. We all go for the no lynch, night comes, then Day 2. We still have no idea who to vote for, and we are one townie down. Unless you know that there are investigative roles (and multiple at that) who may give us some info on the next day, going for no lynch is a very bad idea, since it basically means we just lost one person. And if you vote no-lynch because you do have knowledge of an investigative role, that means that you are said role, so you just gave scum a very big fat juicy target for the night kill.
Suggesting no lynch on day 1 is a bad idea. Thus why I (and Vitek) say that we won't be going for no lynch.
So you would sooner voluntarily kill someone who may or may not be a crew-member and potentially lose 2 crew-members in a single day/overnight vs. wait to possibly have more information and only lose 1 to the intruders who will most certainly strike while we're sleeping and kill 1 of us off? I don't know anything about "investigatory roles" or whatever you speak of, honestly, that makes not much sense to me (if someone has information, why are they waiting to share it?), I'm simply trying to go about our situation logically and not have any unnecessary deaths.
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Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
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Vote. It seems either Vitek or myself would be the logical choice.
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CarrionCrow
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Registered: May 2011
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
After reading that, the thought occurs to vote everyone, including myself. I don't think there's a "launch everyone out the airlock" option to this game, though.
The problem with a no-lynch is that the numbers need to be pared down. Figuring there are 4 scum and 12 town if it goes by the same ratio as the introductory game explanation. That's too many people, too easy for enemy players to hide in the crowd. It'd be better to analyze as much as possible, vote, possibly be wrong, maybe get lucky, then go from there. A no-lynch just lets enemy players get a free kill without even the possibility of being taken out in return.
The problem with a no-lynch is that the numbers need to be pared down. Figuring there are 4 scum and 12 town if it goes by the same ratio as the introductory game explanation. That's too many people, too easy for enemy players to hide in the crowd. It'd be better to analyze as much as possible, vote, possibly be wrong, maybe get lucky, then go from there. A no-lynch just lets enemy players get a free kill without even the possibility of being taken out in return.
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
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This makes more suspicious behavior from you, trentonlf. It seems you're trying to confuse the situation. I didn't say anything about yogsloth being crew as fact. The facts are that for some reason, yogsloth is getting jumped on prematurely with no reason. I read all of the log entrees, multiple times. Just because I don't have proof that yogsloth is not scum, does not make him scum. Let's not commit the age-old fallacy of "if the person floats they're a witch" or whatever nonsense. Trying to jump to conclusions and put the blame on someone without any evidence only paints yourself as possible intruder, along with the others I have listed (I've gone back and forth on you, you're simply drawing more suspicion by your irrationalities.) I'm not saying they are intruders, I'm saying I find it more possible that they are than others. Again, let's not make any hasty decisions and try and keep calm.
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As for a no lynch today it's a bad idea, we gain no information and will start day 2 in the same boat we are now.
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yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
I keep flitting in to the thread, trying to keep up.
I see we've had our usual "Day 1 newbie no-lynch beatdown electric boogaloo" already. Good good, get it out of the way. Welcome to the league, drealmer! Get ready to enjoy a visit from the edit elves. For the record, as others have mentioned, no-lynching Day 1 with nothing else to go on really isn't accepted as a valid plan. You run too strong a risk of Day 2 being Day 1 less one Town player. Love the roleplay, by the way, F 'em if they can't take it. :)
For the moment I'm content to let things ride a bit as there has been some actual stuff happening. (i.e., not shitpickles and leprechauns)
Sorry this is so rushed before I dash to lunch.
I see we've had our usual "Day 1 newbie no-lynch beatdown electric boogaloo" already. Good good, get it out of the way. Welcome to the league, drealmer! Get ready to enjoy a visit from the edit elves. For the record, as others have mentioned, no-lynching Day 1 with nothing else to go on really isn't accepted as a valid plan. You run too strong a risk of Day 2 being Day 1 less one Town player. Love the roleplay, by the way, F 'em if they can't take it. :)
For the moment I'm content to let things ride a bit as there has been some actual stuff happening. (i.e., not shitpickles and leprechauns)
Sorry this is so rushed before I dash to lunch.
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Crewdroog
Land Shark
Registered: May 2014
From United States
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
I hate typing on my phone, so many typos >.<
1. "I was painting outback" should be "I was pointing out"
2. "the votes on him or it suspicious" should be "the votes on him are not suspicious"
3. "the same boat we are now" should be "the same position we are in now"
1. "I was painting outback" should be "I was pointing out"
2. "the votes on him or it suspicious" should be "the votes on him are not suspicious"
3. "the same boat we are now" should be "the same position we are in now"
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Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
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Vote. It seems like trentonlf or myself would be the logical choice.
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
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@Kryspyn: you are bouncing all over the place, making people laugh, etc, which makes me look at you as possible scum. And your mention of SNK has me leaning that way as well. Again, why would someone need SNK on a space station?
@Trentonlf: as soon as I mentioned you may be acting the goof to throw us off you being scum, you stopped. Reason why?
@mchack: why should I believe you that since your PM had nothing to do with what was in the intro, then there is nothing to be gotten from it? How do I know I cant trust you?
I do not want to jump on the yogsloth train, but I also do not want a no-lynch.
Hmm, actually, Trentonlf and Kryspyn were the first to vote yogsloth. interesting. Maybe both are scum, found the first townie that messed up by saying something in PM, and made him the the target?
As for yogs, ask him how many ones I've given him grief over discussing PM or role information. I have also removed my vote from yogs as my reasoning for the vote is a moot point now.
@Krypsyn you make me laugh how you enjoy pushing people's buttons LOL
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
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As for a no lynch today it's a bad idea, we gain no information and will start day 2 in the same boat we are now.
It seems many of you want to eliminate someone more based on the fear of "if we don't!", and that is the intruders getting what they want already. Don't buy into it! I'm not saying I'm going to vote no lynch, actually that is quite unlikely, as I'm very much leaning towards:
Vote Vitek
And I recommend we all might want to go ahead vote the same way to make sure the intruders aren't able to form a gang-bang on an innocent crewmember and dispose of them on the first day AND get someone tonight. I'm quite confident that vitek is an intruder at this point. Shall we call it to a vote and get it taken care of?
Again, sorry for that behavior. I'm okay, really. Please, don't hold it against me, the new station, strange and new hours, new people, and then a crisis on top of it all, I just was stressed a little. I've got it under control, please don't worry.
Agreed, very suspicious. See my previous list for level of suspicion I've determined. What do you think about vitek? It seems they are being pretty blatantly intruder-ish, where trentonlf and Kryspyn seem a bit more uncertain. Would you vote vitek if I asked you to? How about you, HSL? Others? Who do we think is most likely? Doesn't it seem yogsloth is getting an unfair amount of irrational accusations in his direction?
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted October 07, 2015
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CarrionCrow
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Registered: May 2011
From United States
Posted October 07, 2015
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@Kryspyn: you are bouncing all over the place, making people laugh, etc, which makes me look at you as possible scum. And your mention of SNK has me leaning that way as well. Again, why would someone need SNK on a space station?
@Trentonlf: as soon as I mentioned you may be acting the goof to throw us off you being scum, you stopped. Reason why?
@mchack: why should I believe you that since your PM had nothing to do with what was in the intro, then there is nothing to be gotten from it? How do I know I cant trust you?
I do not want to jump on the yogsloth train, but I also do not want a no-lynch.
Hmm, actually, Trentonlf and Kryspyn were the first to vote yogsloth. interesting. Maybe both are scum, found the first townie that messed up by saying something in PM, and made him the the target?