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yogsloth: I don't even know where to start.
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JMich: Start by venting/ranting. Then move on to more coherent thoughts.
Or skip the vent/rant, that would also work.
Yeah, wall of text incoming. I'm thinking of mixing it up and doing coherent first, and then gradually descending into madness. Just for a change of pace.
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yogsloth: Yeah, wall of text incoming. I'm thinking of mixing it up and doing coherent first, and then gradually descending into madness. Just for a change of pace.
Nah, get the ranting out of your system first, so you'll remain coherent when we comment on your coherent posts. It won't help if you ramble on when we comment on your coherent posts now, would it?
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JMich: Start by venting/ranting. Then move on to more coherent thoughts.
Or skip the vent/rant, that would also work.
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yogsloth: Yeah, wall of text incoming. I'm thinking of mixing it up and doing coherent first, and then gradually descending into madness. Just for a change of pace.
Give us just the first paragraph then.
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Bookwyrm627: Ah, now I see. There are certain assumptions in your post that I want to point out, though I more or less agree with the ideas you present. The biggest being that RW must be town (or maybe some weird third party group).

-I agree that the dispatcher started out as not scum. If the dispatcher role moves among players, and the current dispatcher chooses the next dispatcher, then the new current dispatcher might actually be scum. Refer to the way the roles/powers worked in Lift's STALKER themed game.
--If the current dispatcher chooses the next dispatcher, there would need to be some kind of counter balance to the possibility of it landing in the hands of scum, whether it would be forced into a random towny's hands or there are very few scum or something. I suspect the current dispatcher doesn't choose the next dispatcher.

-I can easily see a town dispatcher letting RW's claim stand. If RW is town, then he may soak a kill instead of the dispatcher. If RW is scum, then when the dispatcher is killed (and presumably flips), RW is outed as a liar. At any point, especially during a crisis, the dispatcher can let RW's declarations swing in the wind while remaining under cover.
--Heck, a third party dispatcher may play along, perhaps with his goal being to prevent x number of crises. Once again, let RW take the heat.

-What happens when the dispatcher is killed?
You are correct. I was working on the assumption (largely based on RWarehall's stated claim, as it doesn't make sense for it to be passed day to day if he is the Captain) that the role is fixed.
It is of course possible the role gets passed about somehow (and not just when the Captain dies, as seems likely).
As for a town dispatcher letting another player claim their role... I'm not sure. Yes, he could be a townie trying to draw the NK, but that plan (to me) seems to require at least some amount of coordination between two players, which is generally impossible for town. Hence my thinking that they might be some kind of third party (which is far less likely then RWarehall just being straight up town).
If there is no coordination then the dispatcher, seeing someone else lying and claiming their role would presumably out them as scum. At worst it should be a 1 for 1 trade town for scum (which as we know is always worth it) and as town shouldn't lie the assumption would be that the liar was scum rather than town trying to protect the role and draw the kill...
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agentcarr16: Yes, I was roleblocked.
You see this ------> :|
That’s my surprised face. I am so. Surprised.

If Town, Scum has every reason to block a claimed tracker. If you’re Scum, you could just claim to be blocked so you don’t have to give a result. Result: Zero.

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RWarehall: Captain's Log
Stardate -270819.904
Oh. Good.

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CarrionCrow: Pretty sure everyone is either gone, drunk or dead.
Hey CarrionCrow, what do you think about… well… anything? Not theoretical verbiage. Anything in this game. The one we’re playing. The one you’re playing.

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drealmer7: Can we hold him responsible for fact that we didn't eliminate any one on the first day? I think that is reasonable.
Completely. Man lectures everybody on how bad it is to no-lynch, and then votes no-lynch. Cognitive dissonance to the extreme. He’ll reply to this and say he didn’t vote no-lynch, and every man, woman, and child knows exactly what he did.

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RWarehall: HijacK, Bookwyrm, Flubbucket and Adaliabooks?
So you formally claim your job is to assign the teams? And up next is your top four Scum candidates, eh?

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RWarehall: History will tell of my gambit this day...
Right. I’m sure the Bards will sing about it.

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RWarehall: A wise man once said "Slaughter the Useless"...
I’m pretty sure we established that was an idiot who said that.

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JMich: I shudder to think what kind of crisis would require my specialization.
You and I agree on this, but I still wouldn’t rule it out. Still, it’s a minor flavor point.

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JMich: So you weren't blocked last night?
So you’re Town Roleblocker/Jailer, eh? And you picked drealmer, of all people? ‘Aight.

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flubbucket: He said dooty.
So flub, what do you think of RW’s role claim?

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adaliabooks: No. I was aware of the role from flub's game so didn't feel it was required...
Just a thought – maybe it’s time to ask?

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Bookwyrm627: Maybe a jailer, where it locks the target into the maintenance bay?
So – you guess we don’t get flips, and dedo might have been a Town Jailer? A Town Jailer who decided to role-block the claimed Town Tracker? Well, that’s convenient. Nonsensical, but convenient.

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Bookwyrm627: Oh, and it turns out Crew was indeed town.
Whew! That was a close one!

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JMich: It is a role reveal. The role is called "Droid Maintenance Bot". What are the abilities of said role is still unknown.
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JMich: I've given an ability, and I'm not willing to give my title atm.
This is a big problem.

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QuadrAlien: Dedoporno has been killed!
His Alignment: Station Droids (Town)
HE WAS: "Spud" (Droid Maintenance Bot): STR: 5 FIN: 7 INT: 3
So if “Droid Maintence Bot” is dedo’s role as you say, and either roleblock/jailer/similar is your role, and you won’t reveal your title… what was dedo’s title? I’d really like an answer to this question.

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HijacK: I don't like this. And you know why? Because I think we have a highly similar ability
How many damn roleblockers are there? HijacK didn’t use his, JMich did, and some 3rd blocker targeted agent. Somebody tellin’ lies up in here. [pre-post edit] Hijack is jailor. Well, at least the mass role claim is steaming down the tracks. Hooray.

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Bookwyrm627: I don't see how you make the logic jump to the bolded part.
You know, I had this really fun table-flipping hootenanny planned for the start of Day 2. I was 100% convinced we were going to see two nightkills. Daybreak let all the air out of my tires. I was all jazzed up and ready to get stupid with it. I might still do so, one nightkill and everything. There are just too many people behaving strangely all at once. I’ll get back to you.

OK, no, I’m putting the rant into the next post.

Gotta start with a deep breath.

AAAaaaAAArrrrrrruuuuuumphhh
Captain's Log
Stardate -270819.512

Strange developments on Space Station Epsilon. We now have two crew members who claim their job on the station is to interfere in the jobs of other members of the station. No wonder the intruders got in...

The strangest of these claims is again HijacK, who claims to be able to prevent someone from doing his job while protecting him, yet he chose not to use this ability. Why? It does not make any sense. If he really suspected my as an intruder, he could have tried to block me. Worst case he would have been wrong and possibly prevented my night kill. Instead, he blocks and protects no one.

Why does the rest of the crew not see this?

Why are so many in the crew grasping at straws as to why I might not be the captain? I do have the one truly verifiable role...
bump since there seems to be a new page problem ....
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RWarehall: The strangest of these claims is again HijacK, who claims to be able to prevent someone from doing his job while protecting him, yet he chose not to use this ability. Why?
Because town #> scum # and chances are it would hurt town more?

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RWarehall: It does not make any sense.
Oh, it doesn't? Wut? Basing an action on statistics is wrong? O_o The whole world is a lie.

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RWarehall: If he really suspected my as an intruder, he could have tried to block me. Worst case he would have been wrong and possibly prevented my night kill. Instead, he blocks and protects no one.
Is this a confirmation that you were the one that committed the night kill? How would I have been wrong if I prevented the night kill you were doing, though? Also, my role is mainly to protect. And frankly 25% of 16 is 4. Unless there are lots of neutrals, which I doubt, there are 4 scum. Thus I wouldn't really bet my money on you especially doing the night kill, even more so after day 1's clash of heads.

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RWarehall: Why does the rest of the crew not see this?
Because your logic is flawed and last I checked there is a group of intruders, not one, so chances of you doing a NK are anything from 25 to 33.33%. Furthermore, I never said I can't be wrong. I see your play as scummy, but it was only day 1. Though I have to say, I don't have many more doubts now. The more you post, the scummier you look to me.

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RWarehall: Why are so many in the crew grasping at straws as to why I might not be the captain? I do have the one truly verifiable role...
Yeah, a captain that urged the crew to vote for him. /endsarcasm There's the place where terrible plays sit ------->
Go grab your chair.
AAAaaaAAArrrrrrruuuuuumphhh

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH YOU PEOPLE?

There are so many damn shenanigans out there, this doesn’t even add up. I’m scoring about ten of you as bat-shit crazy at worst, sniffing glue at best. The good news is I’ve DINGed all done don’t care about defense at this point. Bite me.

We have three big problems facing us:

1) Yesterday didn’t just not happen. The wagons falling apart, the role-fishing, the Scum behavior… it didn’t just get wiped clean. We still have to look at what was happening yesterday and anybody getting a free pass just because it’s a new Day makes no sense. To that effect, oh hey, Ix’s vote is firmly placed on the only rolling wagon available to him, so he’s just fecked back off again, a grin on his face. But yeah, it’s just me, right? Right. So **** me.

2) Dedo’s seemingly incomplete flip, and adalia’s spontaneously blurted-out role claim. We need to analyze how it fits together, if it fits together. Why role claim now? What’s the benefit? Need more.

3) Too many roleblockers. Who blocked whom and why? It’s a tangled knot to sort out.

Here’s who’s acting meshugganah, in no particular order, other than Ix at the top:

Ix: Voting anybody that will roll; don’t care
Trent: Voting too fast, no reasoning, following Krypsyn
Agent: refused to vote Day 1, and **** you very much. Claimed roleblock.
Adalia: Role-claimed a role that doesn’t seem to fit, doesn’t seem concerned
JMich: Voted no-lynch, seems confused on PM structure, role claim doesn’t jibe
Vitek: Reaching new depths in apathy
Krypsyn: Not being forthcoming on real reason for his vote
RW: Role-playing now after erratic behavior Day 1

…and I could probably make a case for everybody. That’s too many Scum. What are some of you doing?

…and every single thing is a moot frigging point because we can’t really do anything until the day’s “crisis event” is resolved! I goram hope we get it today so we don’t have to wait around for days on end for the event to come and go before we can start this for real.
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drealmer7: Can we hold him responsible for fact that we didn't eliminate any one on the first day? I think that is reasonable.
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yogsloth: Completely. Man lectures everybody on how bad it is to no-lynch, and then votes no-lynch. Cognitive dissonance to the extreme. He’ll reply to this and say he didn’t vote no-lynch, and every man, woman, and child knows exactly what he did.
I don't think every man, woman, and child knows exactly what I did. You seem unable to understand the distinction. No worries, you'll learn :)

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JMich: I shudder to think what kind of crisis would require my specialization.
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yogsloth: You and I agree on this, but I still wouldn’t rule it out. Still, it’s a minor flavor point.
Ah, so you know what my specialization is. Care to elaborate how you came to said knowledge?

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JMich: So you weren't blocked last night?
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yogsloth: So you’re Town Roleblocker/Jailer, eh? And you picked drealmer, of all people? ‘Aight.
My role is not Town Roleblocker, nor Town Jailer. My role doesn't include any of those words. I do have a role block ability though.
And yes, I obviously went with blocking the person I found scummier. Wouldn't you?


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JMich: I've given an ability, and I'm not willing to give my title atm.
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yogsloth: This is a big problem.

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QuadrAlien: Dedoporno has been killed!
His Alignment: Station Droids (Town)
HE WAS: "Spud" (Droid Maintenance Bot): STR: 5 FIN: 7 INT: 3
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yogsloth: So if “Droid Maintence Bot” is dedo’s role as you say, and either roleblock/jailer/similar is your role, and you won’t reveal your title… what was dedo’s title? I’d really like an answer to this question.
Sure thing. Dedo's role was "Droid Maintence Bot", and his title was "Spud". Additionally, none of the underlined words are in my role.
Either way, I do believe there are multiple bread crumbs from me all over the place. It should be possible to piece together the rest even without my help.
Captain's Log
Stardate -270819.478

HijacK once again making silly claims...
Accuses others of being stupid when he has no idea what they know and thus cannot even rightly speculate as to their actions. Yet, when it comes to his own claimed abilities, he conveniently finds an excuse to have not used it....

Awfully convenient, when all he needed for proof of his claim was to block someone...
Because clearly, the chance of blocking a town ability outweighs preventing a townie's death, right?
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RWarehall: Yet, when it comes to his own claimed abilities, he conveniently finds an reasonable facts to have not used it....
Fixed that for you.

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RWarehall: Awfully convenient, when all he needed for proof of his claim was to block someone...
I can block someone tonight no problem, though it makes no sense to do that unless it is needed to save someone. You, frankly, I think you need lynched.

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RWarehall: Because clearly, the chance of blocking a town ability outweighs preventing a townie's death, right?
A townie's death? Let me ask you think: 16 players. 15 without me. What are the odds of me to SUCCESSFULLY preventing a NK? Keep talking. The more you do, the less sense you make.

1 / 15 * 100 = 6.66%

Wow. A true strategist you are.

So, not asking people to vote for you anymore? "Captain."
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yogsloth: JMich: Voted no-lynch, seems confused on PM structure, role claim doesn’t jibe
You are aware that it seems like there are multiple PM structures at play, right?
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JMich: Ah, so you know what my specialization is. Care to elaborate how you came to said knowledge?
That’s on me for being poorly worded. I meant that I can’t see a crisis for my specialty either. Or rather, I could see it, but it would be pretty funny.

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JMich: Sure thing. Dedo's role was "Droid Maintence Bot", and his title was "Spud".
Really. You’re pushing my resolve not to hang a man on a comma. Anybody? Anybody else here?

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JMich: Either way, I do believe there are multiple bread crumbs from me all over the place. It should be possible to piece together the rest even without my help.
Well, unfortunately, I have a steaming mixture of monkey excrement and chocolate ice cream in my skull in lieu of brains. Wanna help me out? You’re all on fire to convince everybody you blocked drealmer. No need to hold anything else back now – what’s the point? I’d really like to know how your title fits together with whatever deeply mysterious “totally not roleblocker” roleblocker role you have.

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PS: This RW vs. HijacK stuff seems as contrived as if the Kardashians were writing the script. To quote George Thorogood, “Everybody funny. Now you funny, too.” Add HijacK to the crazy list.
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yogsloth: So – you guess we don’t get flips, and dedo might have been a Town Jailer? A Town Jailer who decided to role-block the claimed Town Tracker? Well, that’s convenient. Nonsensical, but convenient.
Assume "Droid Maintenance Bot" is a title for a moment. That means we don't have Dedo's role (flip), though we can take a guess. Jailer might be a possibility.
Assume "Droid Maintenance Bot" is a role for a moment. That means we don't know Dedo's power(s), though we can take a guess. Jailer might be a possibility.

As for the dead player "who decided to role-block the claimed town tracker"? I'm going to quote someone else:
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yogsloth: I never said that. Never implied that.
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Bookwyrm627: Oh, and it turns out Crew was indeed town.
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yogsloth: Whew! That was a close one!
Yep! Just wanted to clear that up for everyone.

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JMich: <snip>
Interesting. Will you claim JOAT?