I think this is your last post. Do please return to the game - I do want to at least try and keep this going. :)

(I'll check in the evening for anyone else, but I remember Crewdroog seeming to have been missing for a while.)

I'm sorry to hear about your son, that's rough for a young kid to got through. It must be bad if the doctor said no surgery, and I'm sorry that is the case. Whatever happens I hope he doesn't lose all functionality of the finger. I wish y'all the best and hope your son can have an almost full recovery.


We have a deadline of tomorrow and I'm not sure we can reach a consensus today, but I hope we can. The bad part is every time a wagon forms it falls apart. Someone is lying very well and the only way we can move forward in finding out who is to gather information. A no lynch gives us nothing so I hope we can avoid that.

I removed my vote from Hyper because for now I believe him, the same reason I removed my vote on Ix earlier. I'm not going to jump back in the Ix wagon, and I am not going to get on Vitek's wagon either as I feel he is town. I'm still not sold on mchack being town but I don't see that going anywhere today. Of everyone left my top suspect is probably flubbucket, so I am going to place my vote there.

Vote flubbucket

#looking prettier than Krypsyn

You know, not that I have a problem with your candidate, but please do give details as to WHY he is there. I think since mchack's wagon failed there hasn't been enough reasoning in votes.

Sorry, quickly running by. I'll get to post more later today.

@trenton and mchack; What's up with flub votes? I see him pop up quite suddenly and I admit I don't see where it came from.

Also, I kind of tend to believe RWarehall's frustration by having too close to confirmed player but I think it is mostly because he is mafia and it is point at him as well.

Here is a list of who I will not vote for today:

1. Krypsyn
2. Ix
3. Hyper
4. Vitek
5. Dedo
6. Agentcarr
7. Drealmer7
8. yogsloth

Unless someone can give me a compelling reason al the people I listed I have as solid town or I want more info before I am willing to commit a vote.

That leaves
1. flubbucket
2. RWarehall
3. Carrioncrow
4. Crewdroog
5. JMich
6. Mchack
7. Hijack

Of these mchack is one I would most vote for because I'm still not sure his is town, but as I said I don't see that happening today because the mod stepped in on his behalf. When I went through everyone else left JMich, Hijack, and carrioncrow were the three I have as mostly neutral. RWarehall I actually had as town, but I moved him down as I didn't find it a very town play for him to try and form a wagon on himself. So my vote had to come down to either RW, crewdroog, or flubbucket. I am least certain about flub of those three so that's where I placed my vote.

You want reasoning HijacK...

First, I do generally agree that lists help scum, although you forget to point out that its town lists that help them, not fake lists by scum...

So, I have the following basically “confirmed” by actions involved around reveals...

Drealmer7 – For being the first to role reveal besides some asshat who claimed Bulletproof Lynchproof Governor. I find it hard to believe that a scum (new player at that) can lie in theme before anyone else reveals.

McHack, Agentcarr16, Krypsyn, Vitek, Dedoporno and Trentonlf – All for their reactions around the reveals.

While Ixamyakxim tried to claim the same, I discount to for the vote on Krypsyn and the claim of Trentonlf and Krypsyn being a scum double team...

That's 8 of 16 players...if no scum pulled the fake, that's pretty much a town win...that is how silly this PM nonsense is...

JMich – I just generally see as playing town this game.

Now, as the the rest...

I don't see Yogsloth “flipping the tables” so I'm concerned he might be scum this game. I go a bit back and forth on him though. One day he's in my top 4, the next I think he might be town. I see him as my weakest top 4 pick.

HijacK, CarrionCrow and Crewdroog just didn't seem to “get it” at the time and haven't done anything to show me they are town. CarrionCrow had me thinking town earlier in the game, not so sure now.

Flubbucket – a veteran, not very helpful so far. I do question whether this spat with Yogsloth is real or staged. Obviously if real, then they both can't be scum.

I'd rather not vote a new player day 1 (day 2 is fair game)
For the sake of unanimity...
Unvote Yogsloth
Vote Flubbucket

Yeah, again, really sorry for confusion, I've got it pinned now and am on top of it all, I think. There shouldn't be any confusion any more with my flavoring/RPing and going for the goal we all (sans 4) share.

The first reasonless vote was trentonlf on yogsloth. I think I never answered you about it because it can be seen in the logs. Post 12. Even though his reason was "talking PM information", I actually found that reasonless because I didn't find what yogsloth did to be any kind of offense at the time, it was post 12 after all and I just found that WAAAYYYYY too early to be voting for anyone. No discussion, seemingly no reason to me. I found it suspicious.

I don't think I'll ever be a user or fan of RVS and will probably use such voting in future games as reasons to call people into suspicion right away, for me, it is too early to be voting on anyone at that point. Though I could see myself RVS voting myself in the next game I play for joking punishment in how I started off playing this one, that could be fun. But, I just find the entire process of RVS fishy and detrimental to getting to the task at hand, really.


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My case for Vitek:

I'd really like some people to try and tell me more about why Vitek isn't viable in their eyes. Inthis postI pointed to a series of his posts that I find questionable. He tries a speed lynch, then says he wasn't trying a speed lynch and that it was a joke and he would find anyone who did it suspicious, and then he explains why he voted yogsloth and it seems like a totally weak reason to me. I find all of that suspect.

Then he tries to fish information out of mchack "if you had to vote now who would you choose?" I find that question suspect.

Then he calls RWarehall scum with no reason as far as I can see.

Then he jumps on me for talking about a no-lynch, which should be understandable with me as a noob, and I think it was possible he was trying to get everyone to quick-vote me without much discussion simply because I brought it up and he thought maybe I was a quick easy target.

All of that wasn't fruitful and so he disappears for a few pages and comes back trying to make krypsyn look suspicious for paring down quotes. To me it was obvious krypsyn was paring down quotes and that he was not trying to change/confuse what the person was saying. Obviously if you aren't paying attention to the thread and are going off the quoted text instead of the original post that the quote refers to, you might have an issue following meaning and get confused (and therefor possibly think the person quoting was trying to confuse you), but, if you are paying attention, you shouldn't be confused at a pared down quote. Sure mistakes/misunderstandings happen, but he doesn't even ask krypsyn what happened with the quotes or give him the benefit of the doubt that he was paring them down, he just jumps to the assumption that what he was doing was scummy. Kryspyn explains himself and Vitek is gone from discussion again for a little until things pick up with Ix. He jabs at Ix very accusatory when Ix is getting picked apart, trying to drive more nails into Ix's coffin. Not with super-certainty, but it seems quite possible to me that that's what he was doing.

Now, I will agree, the activity of Ix should raise our awareness, be called into question, and be talked about, after all, we have to consider all possibilities. What he was doing could be scummy, but, I also am inclined to believe his explanations and I really see it as him thinking out loud and pontificating possibilities. That got him into trouble simply because he didn't present any solid arguments (how could he really? it's all conjecture on D1 anyway) and got flustered a bit with all the attacking and explaining his out loud thinking. Yes, that could be suspect, but I read it as trentonlf said: "a townie floundering."

Then this, to me that seems like a perfectly fine observation and note to make coming from yogsloth, but Vitek simply says "I told you RWare is scum." Yes, you did, but you didn't give any reasons why, and this isn't a reason either. Seems like he's just sewing discontent within the group to me.

I'll stop now. I've made my reasoning very clear. I am open to those reasons being discounted with reason, of course.

I even got bored by constantly asking for it.

Nah, I don't think that's accurate.

Actions that in and of themselves can't be verified and given the statements made by QUAD are subject to being possible lies or theatrics.

I don't get your resoning.

Focus a bit because "actions" doesn't tell me jack shit. You see, I see you as scum based on your "actions." Does that tell you anything?

Uhm, sure. Whatever you say.

I like how you, in spite of what you're saying, behave as if everyone's action on day 1 is genuine. Go figure!

Meh. Not that I disagree, but of course that is subjective.

I don't see trent and yogy fighting, Kryps spamming videos, flubby making the usual daily snarky joke, Vitek and Kryps disagreeing, JMich trying to separate the facts from the BS etc. Your point?

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly don't I "get"? I don't have time to analyze the skewed view of every player, so do share.

Are you new to the game? Last time I checked you weren't. Do enlighten me how flub is any different than last game. Come on! Give it try. It won't bite that hard.

Fishy vote.

Thanks for the reasoning! Vote stays. This whole confirmed deal you're trying to paint sticks.

Post-post edit: Last word in the post should be stinks not sticks.

This is a thing? This is really a thing? I mean, by all means... SLAUGHTER THE... no, no no, hang on.

GENTLY EXCUSE THE LARGELY ABSENT FROM FURTHER RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!

I mean, believe me, I'm on board with voting lurkers, and my zeal for Candidate Ix is ebbing, but something is odd here. Am I being goaded to vote flub?

It worked.

For whatever reason, Ix is just getting a complete free pass, and I've already stated I don't want the other two viable wagons.

If this one rolls to completion, we will be analyzing the hell out of this wagon, agreed?

Unvote Ixamayacantrememberandnotlookingituprightnoxim

Vote flubbucket

I did, before saying writing what I did. You can't really claim you are as active as you were a couple of games ago and mean it at the same time. I know you have school and stuff and that's why I'm mostly OK with it. Mostly. I just think it's a bit of pot calling the kettle black in this case.


They were frowned upon when CSPVG asked about them in the first few hours of the last game. Before that we used them every now and then. They may not be the next best thing after sliced bread but I think you are overreacting a bit to RW's list. That's all.


It's potential OMGUS situation and I just don't like these.

Maybe. I may be totally missing something about RW. So far he has listed a couple of people I share his views on, though, so maybe it's the other way around.


I'm not only on it. I believe I was the reason it started in the first place, even though I didn't put the first vote. But that's Anyway, you don't think even think he's scum yet you'll hammer? Also, I am there since I stick with what I said so far. I do feel HSL is scum. I just don't have anything solid to work with.


Don't sweat it. We figured out who was trying to say what and it's all good ;)


As for flub I don't really have anything to share. I don't have any stance on the matter right now. He's neutral to me so I don't mind voting him on deadline.

I will politely ignore this as it doesn't seem coherent.

You know what? I'm really sorry if this is making you frustrated in any way. Please, tell me if I'm simply annoying you. However, I have to admit that I love this back-and-forth and I love how the sarcasm is so thick I'm gonna have to bring out my machete if I want to make it out of the room.

I have a cat. I have two cats. I didn't link to the relevant MafiaWiki pages. Neither did my cat(s).
Lynch All Liars!!!

The OP Role Example is an OP Role Example. As Q.U.A.D. has stated, not all roles are formatted the same. Therefore the Role Example cannot be formatted the same as all role PMs.
Problem solved.

I consider my life as an excuse to play Mafia.
But thanks for the advice, friend.

Thank you. That makes sense.

Yarrr. Call me a Nantucket man and throw me to the fishes.

Not fun. Hope all turns out well.

*eyes drealmer7 suspiciously*
Wouldn't flick-football be rather difficult in a low-gee environment?

I find code!!! Notice how he capitalized all usernames except yogsloth and flubbucket? He must be signalling his scumbuddies that they're playing out of line!

Join the club, man.


And I'm quickly getting a headache trying to keep all these wagons straight. I expect that we'll manage to lynch someone before the deadline goes down, but it'll be a comedy of errors. And pretty much useless for analysis.

I tell you what, first one to bail out of this wagon gets a great big spotlight to the face.

If I can find time, which I am unfortunately short of atm, I would like to look at the wagon derails in this game and see if there is a pattern.