Yeah, again, really sorry for confusion, I've got it pinned now and am on top of it all, I think. There shouldn't be any confusion any more with my flavoring/RPing and going for the goal we all (sans 4) share.

The first reasonless vote was trentonlf on yogsloth. I think I never answered you about it because it can be seen in the logs. Post 12. Even though his reason was "talking PM information", I actually found that reasonless because I didn't find what yogsloth did to be any kind of offense at the time, it was post 12 after all and I just found that WAAAYYYYY too early to be voting for anyone. No discussion, seemingly no reason to me. I found it suspicious.

I don't think I'll ever be a user or fan of RVS and will probably use such voting in future games as reasons to call people into suspicion right away, for me, it is too early to be voting on anyone at that point. Though I could see myself RVS voting myself in the next game I play for joking punishment in how I started off playing this one, that could be fun. But, I just find the entire process of RVS fishy and detrimental to getting to the task at hand, really.


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My case for Vitek:

I'd really like some people to try and tell me more about why Vitek isn't viable in their eyes. Inthis postI pointed to a series of his posts that I find questionable. He tries a speed lynch, then says he wasn't trying a speed lynch and that it was a joke and he would find anyone who did it suspicious, and then he explains why he voted yogsloth and it seems like a totally weak reason to me. I find all of that suspect.

Then he tries to fish information out of mchack "if you had to vote now who would you choose?" I find that question suspect.

Then he calls RWarehall scum with no reason as far as I can see.

Then he jumps on me for talking about a no-lynch, which should be understandable with me as a noob, and I think it was possible he was trying to get everyone to quick-vote me without much discussion simply because I brought it up and he thought maybe I was a quick easy target.

All of that wasn't fruitful and so he disappears for a few pages and comes back trying to make krypsyn look suspicious for paring down quotes. To me it was obvious krypsyn was paring down quotes and that he was not trying to change/confuse what the person was saying. Obviously if you aren't paying attention to the thread and are going off the quoted text instead of the original post that the quote refers to, you might have an issue following meaning and get confused (and therefor possibly think the person quoting was trying to confuse you), but, if you are paying attention, you shouldn't be confused at a pared down quote. Sure mistakes/misunderstandings happen, but he doesn't even ask krypsyn what happened with the quotes or give him the benefit of the doubt that he was paring them down, he just jumps to the assumption that what he was doing was scummy. Kryspyn explains himself and Vitek is gone from discussion again for a little until things pick up with Ix. He jabs at Ix very accusatory when Ix is getting picked apart, trying to drive more nails into Ix's coffin. Not with super-certainty, but it seems quite possible to me that that's what he was doing.

Now, I will agree, the activity of Ix should raise our awareness, be called into question, and be talked about, after all, we have to consider all possibilities. What he was doing could be scummy, but, I also am inclined to believe his explanations and I really see it as him thinking out loud and pontificating possibilities. That got him into trouble simply because he didn't present any solid arguments (how could he really? it's all conjecture on D1 anyway) and got flustered a bit with all the attacking and explaining his out loud thinking. Yes, that could be suspect, but I read it as trentonlf said: "a townie floundering."

Then this, to me that seems like a perfectly fine observation and note to make coming from yogsloth, but Vitek simply says "I told you RWare is scum." Yes, you did, but you didn't give any reasons why, and this isn't a reason either. Seems like he's just sewing discontent within the group to me.

I'll stop now. I've made my reasoning very clear. I am open to those reasons being discounted with reason, of course.