Well clearly scum aren't going to straight up claim mafia, but you can sometimes tell which roles are fake claims (*cough*PGO*cough*) but again it really depends on the kind of game we're looking at. We've already got a Self Help Guru, so it looks like it's not straight off the mafiascum wiki, in which case scum could practically claim whatever the hell they wanted and we'd be none the wiser...

Whatever this restriction a lot of people are saying they have, I do not. Just because people are saying they have a restriction does not mean everyone does or that they even do themselves. The only reason I am giving any credence to yogs right now is because of how it all went down yesterday. He seems to think he has it all figured out, but there are still so many unknowns that I think he's overlooking possibilities. I can still see how yogs can be scum and pulling a fast one on everybody, but that scenario is harder to believe than what I believe is going on.

As to a mass claim, that is still a bad idea at this point I think. All it will do is benefit scum more to know who has what role.

On mobile, and I hate trying to post this way. So brief...

@ HSL - you nailed it. I think you're getting me.

@ Kryp, 3 scum left is just the basic math assumption. You know better than to try and read something into that.

@ flub, you totally misunderstanding agent's role might be accident or on purpose, but either way, both look not good for you. I am using my conceited ass powers on you for sure. Woodie boogie woodie boogie WOO!!!

Might be. I still think it's a viable path to go and might help town win this. Of course I'm not the experienced player you are. But last game I think it would have been good for town to force a massclaim earlier as bler144 suggested back then. But I'll wait for others to check in and speak their mind about it before making up my mind on what to do. Day is still long :)

No mass claim yet. Someone important is still hidden.

Would love for sage, cristi, hijack to grace us though.

You are totally right. I don't know why this happened.


It's depends on the point of view. I'm sure it's logical for him since I strongly believe he is who he says he is. But unlike him I still don't exclude the option that you may fall in a category that has a legit reason of not knowing what is going on.


I will use this opportunity to remind of a time where you had a gut feeling about a particular person being the Town Arsonist :)

The town arsonist was a BS play by the mod making a town bodyguard for a serial killer. If he would have made it a disillusioned town bodyguardf I could maybe see it, but a straight up town player is not going to protect a serial killer. By all rights my bomb should have killed flub that game anyway instead of JMich, but again the mod wanted an extra layer of protection for the serial killer because he felt it was needed for some reason. At best JMich should have flipped another neutral IMO.

Amazingly I find myself willing to do a massclaim on Day 2. Usually I would be totally against it. But under these conditions it might help sorting out who is who, combined with that they have written and understood (or not) previously. Some of our roles are out in the open anyhow. I think we do have a chance to win it if we claim now, while still not everyone is up to date about 'it', and sort through the claims. But as Yog pointed out, one of our important roles is still hidden and it might be beneficial too, to keep it so for the moment.

So, our options:
Mass Claim - risky, but potentially beneficial enough to ensure victory (depending on how intelligent scum choose their claim)
Or not mass claim - protects the yet hidden power roles, which may be the safer way to winning. However scum gets more time to read and find out what would be a good claim when the mass claim comes eventually.

Hmm. Either way has its benefits and risks. I think, this game is one of the rare occasions where an early mass claim would be more beneficial than harmful to town. But I would like to hear the opinions of the others on it, before we start it.

But IF we do start it, I think flubbucket should start. Followed by Krypsyn.

Where would you put yourself in terms of order?



@Yogs, I remind you that I asked you something and I would still like to get a response.

What makes you interpret the "traumatised" prefix as meaning Paranoid?



Is there a consensus on who the scummiest players are?

And in general, since I've not had the experience of a mass claim before - how is it determined what the order is?


I suggest you go back and do some rereading.



I'd expect flubbucket to be inconsistent enough about it as to not allow others to make a sure tell out of it.

Do you only consider the options of town or scum? Wouldn't it be possible for him to be a thrid-party?



And it should stay that way.


No love for BlueMooner?

@dedo, ah sorry, what? Not trying to ignore.

@ lift, agreed on claim order if we do it.

Usually it's pretty spontaneous... but I'm imagining under the circumstances we would vote on some kind of list of towniest to scummiest players and the scummiest claim first? Although getting agreement on that would be difficult..

I'm with you on the important party staying hidden. My role doesn't have a restriction in quite the same way that others appear to, but if I'm understanding things correctly then lifting those restrictions is vital to town..

All the lurkers / not yet contributors making an appearance would be good...

Found dedo question. Let's just say I'm sure and leave it at that.

@HSL, BlueMooner? Forgot that guy even existed! Not a good sign. For him or for me, not sure.

From what I recall, I didn't die by your bomb, but flub did have a 1-off bomb protection. At least that is how I recall the story, and I'm sticking with it.