And this makes sense because...?

And through the night for that matter.

Don't scum role cops already know who's not scum? A neutral can make this backfire, but the odds of claiming a neutral is townie or anti-town are low.

Yeah, it's usable. Of course, the phone developers didn't design the keyboards with programmers (or Forum Mafia) in mind. I do have another computer, a desktop, but there's no way to get at it while I'm at school for eight hours a day.

I'll manage...

+1 for the helpful advice. (and +1 for your previous help, and for LIft's also).

With that said, I... think we're talking about different things. When cristi said that it could be a clever play, I ASSUMED s/he was talking about mchack's speculation on a possible connection between Yog, agent and myself. I don't see how that could be clever if mchack is scum. When Yog and you both chided him for his post, I assumed you were doing so for him spelling out a connection that might not have been thought of by others.

Yet here you seem to talking about him indirectly implying that he's town, which he's done before. Unless I'm totally missing what you're saying here AND what you were talking about before when you told him "not cool".

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jester

"A Jester is a role that wins when they are lynched."

I believe jesters are also called jokers. Some people are alleging that Yog is a jester, that he claimed cop to draw suspicion, and did so, along with his later odd postings, in the hopes of getting lynched so he can win.

So that's what K thought Yog was, but I'd like to know what he now thinks Yog is. I assume though he's not going to say.

I mean, if you REALLY want to get nitpicky, he called me bluemoon instead of bluemooner, or BlueMooner. But that just seems... nitpicky. Unlike other people, I really don't care what people call me.


Okay... I think I understand your point now, but don't really agree with it. I mean, not only is everybody going to call themselves town even when not everybody is, I would think everybody would call themselves vanilla also, since that's the default role. If we say that mchack is naive and made a rookie mistake in HONESTLY letting slip he's vanilia, then that might be a valid assertion, but since we're all going to CLAIM to be vanilla isn't it kind of.... wrong(?) to chide him for that, since he could well be anything else? He could be mafia, or a town role, or a neutral, or something else... right?

Or am I still misunderstanding? Is it that it's okay for everyone to claim town, but not to claim vanilla, since that is a form of role-claiming, and ALL role-claiming is something to be avoided (unless you know what you're doing)?

Joker != Jester

My opinion of yogsloth's role is the same as it was when I first saw his role declaration. Hint: It isn't Jester.

EBWOP (edit by way of post)

Well, what I should have said is that, in the game of Mafia, Jester does not equal Joker. I was not using them interchangeably. (However, in the English language, they are considered synonyms.)

I hope this avoids any confusion as to my intent.

Now to wait for post timer.... bleh.

I’ll give it I go...

Mchack mentioned that he would do what he could to help town with his vote because he didn’t have any night actions . Admitting that he didn’t have any night action was the newbie mistake. By stating that he has no night actions, the assumption is that he is Vanilla. As JMich pointed out, there are some roles that may have a presence during the night even if they do not get to choose an action at night. But given that mchack is new and the context of the post, Vanilla is fairly safe bet.

Also remember the importance of town not lying. If a player is town, they should (typically) not claim a false role. So if someone claims Vanilla and you believe they are town it is reasonably safe to assume they are telling the truth about the role. In fact, you should be safe in assuming that any Town player is telling the truth about their role. (If they really are Town.) So Town will not claim Vanilla if they are some other role.

Scum also know that Town is expected to tell the truth. So when someone who isn’t part of their scum team claims Vanilla, there is only one of two possibilities:
1. That player really is Town vanilla
2. The player is a third party or from a separate scum team and is claiming to be vanilla.

If scum believe that player is Town (and they actually are), that information gives scum a better edge than they had before. For simplicity sake, let’s say there are 10 players in a game, 3 are scum the rest are town. Let’s also assume that town has 3 power roles among its 7 players. Scum is most interested in eliminating the power roles. Originally, they have a 3 in 7 chance of picking a player to NK who has a power role. When a town claims Vanilla, it immediately eliminates one the players from the group of likely NK candidates, and scum now have a 3 in 6 chance of hitting a power role. If a second player claims Vanilla, the chances of hitting a power role are now 3 in 5. Much better odds for scum than before. In our game, I assume the town pool is larger, but every town Vanilla claim still helps scum zero in on who holds the town power roles.

Everyone will claim to be town, but knowing when to claim your role (Vanilla, Cop, Doctor, etc.) is trickier. Claiming Vanilla early is not good for town (as explained above).

Hope that helps.

*ahem* Space Opera *ahem*

What? Who? Where? Huh?

As for mchack's rookie mistake: I don't think it's a rookie mistake. But I don't think he's scum either. I actually think I know what he's hinting at. And I really hope I am right about this one. That would be one professional play, especially for a rookie. Hopefully I am right. Hopefully.

I plead the fifth.

He did say something that can be taken as something learned from his role. But I could be taken it wrong.


Yogs - Is this a reference to yourself or to someone else?

Scum might chat during the day. It happened before.

I think it's easier to just write the bold tags, but not entirely sure. Posted from the phone only once.

Tuesday night vote count:

3 Yogsloth (Trentonlf, Lifthrasil, Flubbucket)
2 CSPVG (Yogsloth, Adaliabooks)
1 Agentcarr16 (HijacK)
1 HijacK (CSPVG)
1 GoG Support (BlueMooner)
1 Adaliabooks (Krypsyn)

With 16 players alive it takes 9 votes to kick someone off the island and 8 votes to "no-lynch".
Yogsloth is closest to leaving at L-6.

Not voting: JMich, HypersomniacLive, Dedoporno, McHack, AgentCarr16, Cristigale and Sage103082

Deadline is in 5 days on Monday Sept 14th at Midnight EDT (UTC -4)
[Extended due to Holidays, Vacations, 16 players and its the first day]

Of course you can always vote someone off before that
[Hint hint, your observers are getting bored. Maybe someone with Edit a post?]

Not making an appearance today: CSPVG (but has made a number of posts during the "free weekend")

Bagatha Chrustie reporting in again.
So we have lots of role talk tonight.
Who screwed up and what all this means.
Let me tell you about my first role,
I was in elementary school,
They were clearly blind to my budding talent,
Teacher cast me as a tree...
Ok, maybe they weren't as blind as I thought to my "budding" talent...

I'm tempted to give a RWare like speech of how you're trying to sympathize with players.

She

Haxxor! You have hacked my email and read my private diary! You've seen my private pictures! I feel violated! I... I... I did not have relations with that llama! Or the horse (well, just the once).

Yes, that's essentially what they sent me.

Why? How does that help town? Wouldn't NOT lynching be best for town?

Earlier I asked how many mafia there might be. Somebody said usually 2-3, prolly 3-5 for this game. So let's take the average, 4. That also makes the math easier. With 16 players and 4 mafia, that means that killing random person gives a 75% chance of killing town. That seems BAD. Especially when we could wind up lynching a power town.

When mafia kill somebody tonight they'll absolutely kill a townie, but they have no more idea of roles than anybody else. By lynching somebody, isn't that sorta like giving mafia TWO bullets to kill, since we'll almost certainly wind up with two townies dead, two chances for town powers to die? Sure, there's a 25% chance we'll get lucky and hit mafia, but shouldn't we wait until odds are in better favor?

Or does the whole lynching thing operate on a sort of "can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs" principle? Are we willing to kill a bunch of townies for the off chance of hitting mafia? Does this mean that lynching is actually town's greatest tool, and that power roles are merely a small second? I had been thinking of voting nolynch.

Awesome, thank you! I was really hoping you'd include it.! : D

Booo!

What do you mean you "doubt"? You mean you didn't check? Are you just skimming over people's posts, even when they concern you?

You say you noticed your name was missing but didn't say anything? Really?? That's not relevant? What else aren't you saying?

Well, it'll be a lot easier to win the "guess how many jellybeans" contest than when they put them in a jar.

And I agree that CS seems to be really quiet. I know some of you guys have RL issues that interfere with your posting, what with adalia and her concert, you and your laptop, Hyper and his back, and so forth, but CS has been posting far too little IMO. Didn't the GM say that we had to post every day unless good reason? So I'm gonna

Pressure CSPVG

Post a lot more and contribute to this conversation or feel the pain of my 1/16th vote!

Oh.

Thanks and +1.

Positive, helpful behaviour should be recognized and encouraged. Simply +1ing somebody is pointless if you don't mention it. And I've been doing it for some time, it has nothing to do with Mafia.

http://www.gog.com/forum/fallout_series/a_couple_issues/post13
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/quest_for_infamy_glitch/post7 Thanks.

Warning: the forum ate my post so hopefully this won't double post

Aaaand we have the first person suggesting No-Lynch. And on day 1. The amount of slack I'm willing to cut you for being new to the game is decreasing rather fast.

Exactly what you read.

I didn't check at the time of the post. I checked afterwards. As for you suggesting I'm skimming over the thread, how about you look on how many people I corrected on various things. Maybe that will get your head straight.

Since I didn't care much and assumed not everyone else was mentioned, I didn't see why I should. It wouldn't be the first time someone misses a name, whether intentional or not and the relevance isn't there.

A lot. Care to know what?


Not solid enough to mention it every time. Looks like you're trying to be all friendly with everyone.

As I said, I did not mention everybody else was named. You're either trying to put words into my mouth, or you're just skimming the thread and not reading carefully.

No. I did not feel that. Got a problem with that?

I'm not sure if you're playing dumb or what, but you must realize not everybody can share everything they know, otherwise scum get easy targets.

Which brings me to my next point. This insistent info fishing sounds more like role fishing to me, on the very day 1. Not only that, you also argued for a no-lynch, and attempted to frame me for skimming or foul play when I clearly explained I didn't pay much attention to the number of people in the list. Given that is so high, I assumed there would be a lot more names.

Unvote agent

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