I was not confused, I had no idea about the restrictions since I was not restricted. Plus anyone who claims day one is scummy IMO and I don't see that opinion changing anytime soon.

Couple things - CSP was lynched as much for his play/roles in PRIOR games as for his play in this one. There was a note in the scum thread that said "Why him and not Sage/Cristi?" which echoed something I said in the observer thread. Poop happens.

That said, even getting behind doesn't necessarily mean a loss. Game 28 scum was a team of 3 and lost one N1, and another D3 and still won. You don't necessarily know what other forces or out there or how town might fall apart until the end. It would have been hard for a new player to win in that scenario, but it wasn't set in stone yet. Though Adalia making 2 notable slips back-to-back late in D2 didn't help things. ;)

As for the game itself, people lurk for different reasons. Hijack has his reasons, while other people just play that way out of habit or have RL stuff come up.

Likewise, despite the fact that the loudest voices might tell you otherwise, there's not really broad agreement on 'how to play.' In any given game mass claim might be a good idea, or it might be a terrible idea. Lynching all lurkers might be great, or it might be bad. And even the same people may view it differently across different games - that may be a tell as to something they're hiding, or it may really just be a change in philosophy or tactical reality.

In the end all you can do is play and keep fighting through it and sorting out your own views and playstyle.

Or, you know, sit out in the observer thread and criticize everyone else's views and playstyle ;)

I just thought I needed to capture (and then spoil) this moment:

I've had an unhappy life, so I do tend to despair easily.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

From my perspective town was killing with 100% accuracy. Two mafia kills in two days, and I was sure Adalia was going down day 3. This was my first game, and I was at a loss to figure out how town was doing that, or if that was even atypical. For all I knew, this was how most games went, I had nothing to compare it to. I certainly didn't know how to counter it, so who's to say I wouldn't go down day 4.

If three vets could be killed all in a row, I didn't think I had a chance all on my lonesome, with no clue what I was doing. Also, the fact that I would be killing alone meant I would never use my power again, which I'm sure town would realize meant mafia was down to one person. And, as I said, I didn't want people to NOT vote for me out of any kind of sympathy or newbie-kindness. I certainly wouldn't want to win that way.

I regard the ending of this game as largely borked, and it didn't need to be.

If two things had happened that were easily in Scum's control, the game would have continued on for quite some time.

1) adalia had played it straight and hadn't Scum claimed. I thought he was obvi-Scum to the hilt at the end of Day 2, but Town didn't agree, and nobody wanted to lynch him Day 3. Had he played it straight after trent's lynch, he could have just kept on going in Day 4. I guess dedo can tell us whether he would have vig'd him anyway, but without that Scum claim, you never know.

2) BlueMooner had simply kept playing. He really wasn't on anybody's Scumdar and was doing just fine. If he hadn't just abandoned the game without a word, he could have kept it going for quite some time... both extending the game and gaining valuable experience.

Instead, both remaining Scum just laid down and died.

@BlueMooner - I want you to know that I did appreciate what you contributed and I think you could do really well if you played more.
I can totally understand that Day 1 drags on, and I really don't like it much. I'd almost be inclined to shorten Day 1 when I'm modding, but that's just me.
So you know, you'll be welcomed back if you decide to return.

You did read trents claim? There was no way I was surviving the next day... even if they didn't just lynch me on principle I would have cracked under the pressure, as I'm not good with pressure...

Yeah, I didn't see him surviving Trent's reveal either. But up til that point it was definitely an open question of how town would go.

That said, it was the dual-slips on D2 that got both Trent and Yogs to visit Adalia. ;)

But again, going back to game 28, we lynched RW on Day 3, leaving just Yogs, and Yogs was the CLEEEAAR prime suspect as the last scum, and yet town all got together and shot ourselves in the foot.

Just because 1-2 players know something doesn't mean that "town knows" or agrees. Read the observer thread from this past game and watch Yogs freaking out because he thinks he didn't sell the "Lynch Adalia next!" solution hard enough. And to an extent he was right. Other than HSL and Trent (who had his own FoS), no one was really pushing Adalia that hard. Without Trent's reveal, Adalia perhaps does blend back in the crowd come D4.

Oddly, the most audacious little lie Yogs told game #28, and somehow no one ever questioned him on, wasn't that he claimed commuter - it's WHY he claimed to have used it N1. He said "things were so crazy!" which was total BS - town had no idea things were crazy until dawn of D2. So even as scum you can make a major slip, and there can be enough other things going on that it can be survived anyway with a bit of distraction.

You playing in the new one :)

On that note at some point in game 29 when we were getting destroyed Yogs jokingly PMed me:

"Help us Blerbi Wan, you're our only hope"

Make sure to get in the next game! http://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_31_sign_up_welcome_to_space_station_epsilon

I'm sorry to hear that, but this is just a game, no reason to get all that serious about it. Look at it as a chance or exercise to act against what comes naturally to you, and who knows, perhaps some of that experience might eventually spill over to other aspects of your life.

You showed great potential, and should think of joining us again whenever time and state of mind allows it.



I at least did not vote CSPVG for his lurking, that's kind of his trademark. But that post he made before he claimed and after his previous half-baked ones was a poor defence of himself, and a very poor attempt at dodging why he didn't get what was going on, it just didn't feel honest.


Cheers, will do when you play. ;-)

To be honest, you played great while you were here. In terms of blending in, it could be argued that you outplayed three veterans. I do think you had a chance to win if you were active. It wasn't going to be easy, but you did have a chance, But missing an entire "5 day" day, certainly didn't help your chances.

Testing, testing.

EDIT: Excellent. I can actually make my replies look like my forum thread avatar. I was wondering if GOG would let me put my avatar back.