Again a day with lots of discussion and no progress towards a Pope. However, the accusations progress all the better and in the end Cardinal Up finds himself the target of an investigation. All his private belongings aren't private anymore but are searched and analyzed. And again, what the other Cardinals find shocks them. No Reformer shenanigans or even any heretic literature. But the secret plans that Up recorded on his phone (because he was too lazy to write) are shocking. It turns out, the only reason he wanted to become Pope is for the chance to slack off and do nothing without anyone being able to critizise him. Actually, checking his record of how he did his job reveals, that he never did anything. Always someone else wrote his articles and he paid for it out of the fortune of his parents. All in all, Cardinal Up is the very embodiment of Sloth and the only plan he has for his Popedom is, to relieve the Pope of all tasks and duties. He just wants to have a good, relaxed time. It is completely out of the question to make him Pope, since a Pope has to travel the world, bless people and show presence. Off with him to the sidelines, where he can relax to his heart's content!


Final Vote Counts:

ELECTION:
trent was in the lead at 4 votes, which is half the number of votes currently required to become Pope.


INVESTIGATION:
mchack 1 - joppo 333
Trent 1 - yogs 369
Yogs 4 - Trent 373, mchack 379, buck 382, catv 388, pooka 418
Cat 1 - Flocke 336

Everyone was voting
Yogs is investigated and was a regular Catholic Cardinal - and is from now on not Electable and may not vote or elect anymore. But may - and is expected to - continue to participate in the game.


All Elections are reset to self-electing
All Votes are reset to zero,

Uh huh.

We are at 4/3. Short of the whole scumteam falling into a coma and getting modkilled, nothing is gonna prevent a flawless reformer win. Since my opinions didn’t change, I put my vote back where it was.

Investigate Catventurer

Except that at LYLO you have to work with everyone else.

And if you're wrong with this vote, the three scum pile on and the game ends.

I would unvote and have everyone talk things over first.

Why didnt you like, tell us or something.

This is a joke by the way. My apologies for taking your nonchalance as scummy.



So what are we thinking here. I dont mean to sound like a broken record, but do we want to take a serious look at Cat? and at this point trent by association?

Granted flock jumping right on Cat does not give me the warm and fuzzies of that being the right direction.

The worst thing about this summary is that in the end it will make me a delusional townie.

I do agree that if Trent and or Cat is a reformer the other is a package deal.

I've been sick for almost the entire duration of the game and mostly left to try to figure things out on my own while being accused of not participating enough and offending people. If I get to L-1, I'm going to be very tempted to self-vote.

wtf, how can I be that bad in this game O.O :(.
Oh, man I was on the verge of dancing around, thinking about how well I've scumhunted, with my trent election and how everyone will congratulate me at the end of the game, at how I almost single-handedly won the game and then ... I read yogs was town. The same yogs that was reading the game diametrically different to myself.
Oh man, someone wrote, that if I was this bad at playing mafia, I probably shouldn't anymore (don't wanna look it up right now, but think it was something along these lines) and now I think they were probably right.

Damn, I'm really feeling bad right now.
Stupid me.

Well, I'll be off re-reading the thread tomorrow (now I need to go to sleep, because it's early shift tomorrow), but as I promised pooka, I'll be the last one today that makes any accusations. I'm obviously not good at reading people in this game.

very good point, indeed!

Sorry, yogs. But since you are now proven town, and are obviously better at playing this game than I am (I'm still not buying the trent scum thing, but I tend to be wrong, as we have all seen) I will give my vote today to you.
Given that we are at LYLO and a potential wrong vote will be gameover for us, and me not trusting my instincts one yota anymore, I will vote for whoever you think I should vote for. Basically unstumpifying you and stumpifying myself instead.

Once condition, though: I will not self-vote since I am town and this is the only hard evidence on alignment of anybody who has still voting powers left, that I have.

Nope, no cop-outs.

You're going to have to vote the way you want to. There's no guarantee I'm right about any of this... even though I wish there had been more discussion.

It may yet be the case that I'm upside-down and the scum team is exactly the three people I think it isn't, in which case, fair played.

So mchack, what do all yer fancy charts and graphs lead you to think is now the scummiest player on the board?

Still flocke?

as I said, I'm not trusting myself at all right now. But if I had to guess, I would still think cat and trent are town, because of all their interaction. How cat tried to explain to trent, why she thinks him town, even though he is telling her that she can't trust him to be town. Why do that dance when you are both scum? I just can't believe it.
So if I were correct in at least this assessment. I also believe Pooka to be town, because as scum, he wouldn't have waited so long to hammer you. All the pressure was there to just quickhammer and be one town less and put all the blame on me and be victorious today.

That leaves bucktooth, flocke and joppo as my scumteam.

But as I said I don't trust myself at all. Will not vote for anyone on a whim. I will first re-read and then as you said there should be a long discussion today before any votes are cast.

as for the charts and stuff, hadn't been back on them since cat asked me to be more productive on the forum. Maybe I'll run the scripts tomorrow again and see if there's anything useful to be found.

now, that I think about it: neither bucktooth nor trent ever confirmed if they were fine with switching over to flocke yesterday.

So maybe trent, bucktooth and flocke?

But then the package deal of trent + cat, that bucktooth suggested, doesn't make sense, does it? or maybe it does. I don't know about anything anymore.

But it would be a nice gesture of trent, if he were scum, to try and make his devote followers question his townliness, only to have them follow him even more. Either way, it worked with me. Still can't really think him scum.

Like in life of brian: I'm not the messiah! Ah only the messiah would say that. Argh, ok I am the messiah. He's the messiah!

So messiah, uhm, trent. What do you think of flocke? Would you, or would you not have switched your vote over to her yesterday? How about today?

sorry, me again. can't sleep. This is haunting me.

Don't know what a cop-out is, but I'm not trying to not play anymore. I'm very invested in this game. I just seem to be doing it wrong.

So, again. I mean it. You can have my vote today. From my last two posts, I see that I still am very much invested in my firm believes from yesterday. But I shouldn't have firm believes now. Because this is endgame. One wrong move and it's gameover.

Take Flocke's vote today. You correctly pointed out that townies shouldn't just put a vote out because then scum can just pile on and win in an instant. I took this standing vote and the fact that the game isn't over yet, as yet another sign that it's just a scum-vote in the hope that one townie piles on and then we loose. But only now, hours later, I realized, that it could also be a town vote on scum, something that scum wouldn't at all pile on. So I surmise, that I have a bad case of Confirmation bias.

Secondly, I am well aware that I'm a prime mis-lynch target for town today. Pooka hasn't said anything yet, but being wrong the third day in a row, I know it looks bad. So giving my vote to you and promising, that I will vote whoever you say I should, hopefully appeases those townies who think me scum now. Because as scum why would I do that? I promise no-one is out of the question (besides myself obviously), I will vote who you say.

Hopefully that helps with my confirmation bias. And maybe we can work together. Maybe together we will be able to finally find scum today. Maybe that also helps you stay invested in the game. We could really do with a pro player like yourself right now. What was that plan you had yesterday, that went bust? Also, you said town should listen to you after you get stumped. I'm willing to listen. I am.