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Catventurer: Also I've been fighting off stomach flu for all of 2025 and spent most of today throwing up. Made the mistake of going to the vet office with my cat and ended up throwing up in my mouth. I'm super out of sorts at the moment.
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FarkyTheDog: I am sorry to hear this and hoping you get better soon.
Thank you, Farky....... You know how I said that Yog is a death robot from the future, and Buck is a vampire. It only occurred to me yesterday that you are in fact a Great Rottweiler. Yes, you are. I think you understand what I'm actually saying rotties are good boys, especially if they're feeling great.


Anyway the point there was more of - I'm THAT sick yet making an effort. What's the excuse of the people that are just barely participating. I'm specifically referring to people that coast by and barely post just enough to be classified as active so they don't get themselves modkilled.... but seem to be making a decided effort to not post anything of consequence.
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Catventurer: Anyway the point there was more of - I'm THAT sick yet making an effort. What's the excuse of the people that are just barely participating. I'm specifically referring to people that coast by and barely post just enough to be classified as active so they don't get themselves modkilled.... but seem to be making a decided effort to not post anything of consequence.
Good point, scums might be among them. But then IRL could also be a factor for some or they might be distracted somehow. Hard to say. Hopefully townies will pull off some sort of miracle. We shall see I guess.
Continuing from last night's catch up.

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joppo:
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mchack: So you were just saying Farky is town by analyzing his writing pattern or are you implying there's another player in this game you suspect is town? Please use simple words so even I can get it.
Basically, I answered the first part above already. As for suspecting another players to be Town... yeah, CatVenturer at first, but not enough that I would elect her. She had me pretty fooled in a past game so I know better than to blindly trust her. That said, she started with a higher townscore than most, tho I agree with Yog that she looks less towny lately. I need to ISO her to see where she stands now.
Flocke had an interesting second post after subbing in. But she carries the fact that Scene's bout with Pooka wasn't really based on anything too solid.
And of course in a sense I suspect everyone to be town. And scum. Unfortunately, the one player whose allegiance I could somewhat confidently identify is out of the game now.

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mchack: So I know there's three Scum lurking in this list but I'm not at all sure who they are. But in before I get a Info instead of Analysis vote again and because not voting is scummy in this game:

vote Joppo

first, you haven't been voting this entire second day. Sure you ask questions, but aren't you interested in lynching scum?
Second, if you were so sure that Farky is town, then why not push for a farky for pope election campaign. With so many here so sure Farky being town, yesterday, we could have gotten an easy town win right there. Was it because you knew that Farky was town and electing him would end the game with scum losing?
I'm not at all sure you're scum but there has to be 3 scum in the 7 players that I don't know the alignment of. So chances are good that you actually are scum. Just fess up.
Yeah... no. I didn't vote during the second Day because I had an unplanned absence for a good part of it. It's not like I wanted to do that. It just happened, and honestly it wouldn't help scum!me just as it didn't help town!me.
Your idea of starting an election of Fark is laughable. An election has to be unanymous. What good would it do when there were people voting to investigate him? Should I assume they'll be convinced by my passionate vote and elect the same guy they're suspecting to be scum? Besides, what was I supposed to do to convince the scumteam to elect Fark? Ask pretty please with a cherry on top?

"...yesterday, we could have gotten an easy town win right there."
No we couldn't, because it HAD. TO. BE. UNANYMOUS. And CatV alone suspected Farky enough that the idea would never fly.

I don't like the shade you put on me with your supposed questioning based on a ridiculous premise.
Well you wanted me to vote, I think it's only fair that I concede.

Vote mchack

(Tomorrow night I think I'll finish catching up. Unfortunately tonight I had stuff that kept me away from home most of the night. I got home pretty late and couldn't go beyond this part. I'm going to bed and have to get up in 4.5 hours)
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trentonlf: @&#$?&! @&#$?&! @&#$?&!, don't spill a soda all over your keyboard, it really does @&#$?&! things up. Thank god I have a mechanical keyboard and was able to get it cleaned and working, but it wasted a good 45 minutes of my time.....

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Lifthrasil: ....
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trentonlf: How long is this Day? You never stated that I could find.
Oh, sorry. I'm aiming for a one-week Day. I.e. the Deadline will always be about 7 days from the last Investigation.

I'll state it in the next vote count.

If you need a shorter day to speed things up, please tell me so.
There is one attempt to get an Election going again, but it's not met with unanimous acclaim. So it's back to hunting Reformers. Who are those, who want to ablish this age old tradition? Everyone has an opinion on that.

ELECTION:
Trent North 4 - mchack 269, cat 306, bucktooth 316 and self

all others are self-electing.


INVESTIGATION:
Pooka 1 - Flocke 273
mchack 1 - joppo 333
Flocke 2 - pooka 302, mchack 326
joppo 1 - cat 312
cat 1 - bucktooth 285

not voting: trent and yogs

The Deadline will be on Monday 20th January in the evening (MET)
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Catventurer:
IRL I’m a woman too.
Well, you are one of the people slacking off currently. But you’re doing anything anymore, got it.


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mchack: So it's easy for town. either we pick scum (which would be quite unfortunate, but with trent I feel also rather unlikely) and it's end of game :( or more likely we'll only come up to to e-1 and then the last player not electing is definitely scum :)
It’s never that easy.


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mchack: Sounds scummy to me.
here, have a vote:
vote FlockeSchnee
I’m touched. Don’t worry, it’s all very appropriate.


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FlockeSchnee: We don’t get two shots at this. We don’t even get one. If I counted correctly, it takes 5 votes to investigate today, so unless all five town somehow manage to pile up on one scum, it requires scum vote/s to archieve. Why exactly would they kick out one of their own, when not necessary? So they can screw us over harder afterwards?

No. Trent is a very good player, especially scum player. I’m not voting to elect him while there are still scum about, and should we actually manage to investigate the three scum, election won’t be necessary anymore.
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mchack: So in the first part of your post you tell us how incredibly hard it is to vote/investigate scum today because all town need to vote together, and thereby how much easier it is to mys-lynch because scum will help with that. And then in the second part you tell us the election mechanic simply shouldn't be used as long as there's still scum about?
No, I said I’m not gonna elect trent.

But, you know, seeing a quabble between two men, standing with one man for a while and then seeing eye to eye with the other, that is special.
Here, have a vote too:
Elect mchack


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trentonlf: From what I see it looks like we have 2 votes on joppo, 2 on Flocke, 1 on Pooka, and 1 on Cat. So two people just standing around acting scared?? VOTE VOTE VOTE, let's get a direction going here before we are being pressed by a deadline.

My vote is on joppo because I agree with Cat and I think scum have been laying low and letting the inactive feel of this game play in their favor, and he has been someone that is only posting the minimal and not really making any waves, like he's trying to hide in plain sight.

Now if someone thinks there is a better option, let's talk it out. Who and why? Let's get more activity in this game! Not only VOTE VOTE VOTE, but let's try TALK TALK TALK also.
No, I got two, the others got one. The other one on Joppo was mchack and he switched to me.

Let’s talk then. I voted Pooka, because he hasn’t done much of anything except correct himself and play „guess, what I’m getting at“ with Farky, when he was still a full player. I remember him being a lot more engaged when town.

I don’t see the fuss with Joppo not showing up again to put a vote. Real life happens. Could be made up? Sure. It’s more beneficial for scum to hide between the voters, since there seem to be a few people expecting scum to deny information by not voting.

Well, since she’s not gonna do anything anymore, why not
Investigate Catventurer
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yogsloth: well, obviously my plan went to crap

but

I do not believe we should be electing Trent

I believe this is a bad idea at this juncture

I think we probably shouldn't elect anybody until we nail at least one scum, because we're going to need to look at relationships

So I'm not voting to elect

I'll try to finish my reads on individuals tomorrow
How are those reads coming?

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Lifthrasil: There is one attempt to get an Election going again, but it's not met with unanimous acclaim. So it's back to hunting Reformers. Who are those, who want to ablish this age old tradition? Everyone has an opinion on that.

ELECTION:
Trent North 4 - mchack 269, cat 306, bucktooth 316 and self

all others are self-electing.

INVESTIGATION:
Pooka 1 - Flocke 273
mchack 1 - joppo 333
Flocke 2 - pooka 302, mchack 326
joppo 1 - cat 312
cat 1 - bucktooth 285

not voting: trent and yogs

The Deadline will be on Monday 20th January in the evening (MET)
You missed my vote on joppo from post 309

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joppo: "...yesterday, we could have gotten an easy town win right there."
No we couldn't, because it HAD. TO. BE. UNANYMOUS. And CatV alone suspected Farky enough that the idea would never fly.
Not true at all, I had been pushing for Farky from Day 1

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Catventurer:
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FlockeSchnee: IRL I’m a woman too.
Well, you are one of the people slacking off currently. But you’re doing anything anymore, got it.

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mchack: So it's easy for town. either we pick scum (which would be quite unfortunate, but with trent I feel also rather unlikely) and it's end of game :( or more likely we'll only come up to to e-1 and then the last player not electing is definitely scum :)
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FlockeSchnee: It’s never that easy.

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mchack: Sounds scummy to me.
here, have a vote:
vote FlockeSchnee
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FlockeSchnee: I’m touched. Don’t worry, it’s all very appropriate.

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mchack: So in the first part of your post you tell us how incredibly hard it is to vote/investigate scum today because all town need to vote together, and thereby how much easier it is to mys-lynch because scum will help with that. And then in the second part you tell us the election mechanic simply shouldn't be used as long as there's still scum about?
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FlockeSchnee: No, I said I’m not gonna elect trent.

But, you know, seeing a quabble between two men, standing with one man for a while and then seeing eye to eye with the other, that is special.
Here, have a vote too:
Elect mchack

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trentonlf: From what I see it looks like we have 2 votes on joppo, 2 on Flocke, 1 on Pooka, and 1 on Cat. So two people just standing around acting scared?? VOTE VOTE VOTE, let's get a direction going here before we are being pressed by a deadline.

My vote is on joppo because I agree with Cat and I think scum have been laying low and letting the inactive feel of this game play in their favor, and he has been someone that is only posting the minimal and not really making any waves, like he's trying to hide in plain sight.

Now if someone thinks there is a better option, let's talk it out. Who and why? Let's get more activity in this game! Not only VOTE VOTE VOTE, but let's try TALK TALK TALK also.
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FlockeSchnee: No, I got two, the others got one. The other one on Joppo was mchack and he switched to me.

Let’s talk then. I voted Pooka, because he hasn’t done much of anything except correct himself and play „guess, what I’m getting at“ with Farky, when he was still a full player. I remember him being a lot more engaged when town.

I don’t see the fuss with Joppo not showing up again to put a vote. Real life happens. Could be made up? Sure. It’s more beneficial for scum to hide between the voters, since there seem to be a few people expecting scum to deny information by not voting.

Well, since she’s not gonna do anything anymore, why not
Investigate Catventurer
No, joppo had two, Lift just missed my vote on him. And why are you accusing Cat of "not gonna do anything anymore"? Where did she say that?

Now here we sit with the votes still all over the place, two votes each on three different people and a solo on another. With the glacial pace this game is moving I don't see how we don't have another last minute lynch.
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trentonlf: From what I see it looks like we have 2 votes on joppo, 2 on Flocke, 1 on Pooka, and 1 on Cat. So two people just standing around acting scared?? VOTE VOTE VOTE, let's get a direction going here before we are being pressed by a deadline.
Sorryabout your keyboard.
As it tripped me up, i should caution you--there is no such thing as a NL in this setup.
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Lifthrasil: Deadline:
There will be a deadline for the investigation vote. If that is reached without majority, the Accuser chooses secretly whom to investigate, as long as he is active. He can be advised in this by his colleagues in the faction chat. If the Accuser is made inactive, the deadline investigation choice becomes random.
For reference, I think this is the current state of things:
ELECTION:
Trent North 4 - mchack 269, cat 306, bucktooth 316 and self
mchack East 1 - Flocke 336
all others are self-electing.

INVESTIGATION:
mchack 1 - joppo 333
Flocke 2 - pooka 302, mchack 326
joppo 2 - trent 309, cat 312
Cat 2 - bucktooth 285, Flocke 336

not voting: yogs


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FlockeSchnee: No, I said I’m not gonna elect trent.
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But, you know, seeing a quabble between two men, standing with one man for a while and then seeing eye to eye with the other, that is special.
Here, have a vote too:
Elect mchack

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I don’t see the fuss with Joppo not showing up again to put a vote. Real life happens. Could be made up? Sure. It’s more beneficial for scum to hide between the voters, since there seem to be a few people expecting scum to deny information by not voting.

Well, since she’s not gonna do anything anymore, why not
Investigate Catventurer
nope, just you're sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) here. You are sitting down on one of my three scum seats.
First the elect mechanic: It will only work if we can unite under one pope. And it's trent today. That much is as certain as the amen in church :) so going off and starting a new elect campaign like a splitter is a sure scum sign.
Second the voting: Going after one of my most town read persons on flimsy reasons: inactivity? really? from cat? and that while first first defending joppos inactivity with real life happens. Well unlike joppo, cat has given quite visceral details of her RL sickness and what about the inactivity of yogs? why not him?

My best guess as to why all this is? I'm calling it. Scumteam! flocke, joppo, yogs(?). There. (Now wait till I get all red in the face.)

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joppo: And of course in a sense I suspect everyone to be town. And scum. Unfortunately, the one player whose allegiance I could somewhat confidently identify is out of the game now.
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Your idea of starting an election of Fark is laughable. An election has to be unanymous. What good would it do when there were people voting to investigate him? Should I assume they'll be convinced by my passionate vote and elect the same guy they're suspecting to be scum? Besides, what was I supposed to do to convince the scumteam to elect Fark? Ask pretty please with a cherry on top?

"...yesterday, we could have gotten an easy town win right there."
No we couldn't, because it HAD. TO. BE. UNANYMOUS. And CatV alone suspected Farky enough that the idea would never fly.

I don't like the shade you put on me with your supposed questioning based on a ridiculous premise.
Well you wanted me to vote, I think it's only fair that I concede.

Vote mchack
Thank you for answering. Still leaning scum to me. Since you still play catch-up, you maybe haven't read my last posts, but I'm a firm believer now, that with the right candidate an election can give town a win without getting the elect through (so not unanimous for all, just all town): by scum-confirming the ones not electing with town.
With farky yesterday, that seemed a doable, but then again I was too suspicious of him to suggest it myself. You on the other hand had a strong town read on him. So I merely said you might have tried it, with you townreading him like that. Unless of course as scum and you don't care about the elect mechanic at all because scum is doing just fine investigating townies or waiting for a no-lynch and then investigating townies.
Anyhow today it's a different, with trent as a candidate the election is going to work for us. Since you are not electing Trent, you are very much leaning scum still. But flocke your scumbuddy(probably) got the stronger read, so I'm staying with my vote on her.
My impression is that there is scum has been hiding among the less active people.
Pooka
Scene now Flocke
Joppo
Yog

Mchack initially but I've since warned up to him.

Although I also have feels that Pooka and Scene/Flocke might not be on the same time. It's just a feeling, and I am more inclined to think that Pooka is on our side (town) than Flocke. Again just an impression.

Also I noticed that Lift (our moderator) gave a lot of leeway to Scene. I mean that he was gone for days and days, not mod killed, then Lift is willing to take literally any level of activity. It made me wonder if there is something extra important about Scene's role that he not be mod killed.

I also see that Flocke is leading on the investigation.

VOTE Flocke

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I really could use a night phase. No more games with no night phase.

Woke up today with a bloody nose on top of being sick - something that I started getting after the Camp Fire if the air quality isn't good or air is just too dry. I'm in NorCal, not SoCal or Armpit.
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yogsloth:
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PookaMustard:
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bucktoothgamer:
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joppo:
In the undying words of Vitek: Wake up sheeples!
→ It’s time to elect trent, if you haven’t already. Alternatively you can try to elect mchack.
Personally, I would like, if everyone would vote to elect me. Then, when we get within 1 or 2 votes of success, we can all jump off scared and vote to investigate me for being a reformer. At least Something! Would! Be! Happening!


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trentonlf: No, joppo had two, Lift just missed my vote on him. And why are you accusing Cat of "not gonna do anything anymore"? Where did she say that?

Now here we sit with the votes still all over the place, two votes each on three different people and a solo on another. With the glacial pace this game is moving I don't see how we don't have another last minute lynch.
Oh, so I mistook Cats vote on joppo for yours. My bad. Cat is voting! *shocked* I guess, she’s not gonna give reasoning for that either, as to not pick up other peoples slack.

She said it here:
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Catventurer: I am neither Jane Marple nor Phryne Fisher. It is not my job to be lone solver of the mystery while the men just stand around doing whatever.
At this point, it should be clear, that no one (else) is getting engaged, so neither is she anymore.


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mchack: nope, just you're sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) here. You are sitting down on one of my three scum seats.
First the elect mechanic: It will only work if we can unite under one pope. And it's trent today. That much is as certain as the amen in church :) so going off and starting a new elect campaign like a splitter is a sure scum sign.
Second the voting: Going after one of my most town read persons on flimsy reasons: inactivity? really? from cat? and that while first first defending joppos inactivity with real life happens. Well unlike joppo, cat has given quite visceral details of her RL sickness and what about the inactivity of yogs? why not him?

My best guess as to why all this is? I'm calling it. Scumteam! flocke, joppo, yogs(?). There. (Now wait till I get all red in the face.)
FUD? I stated a fact. If those 5 town don’t manage to pile up on one scum, that’s it. You don’t like it? Well, neither do I. Does nothing to change the fact.

When I subbed in, my scum team was trent, cat and pooka. But I am aware, that I only suspect trent because of that one game, where I got burned badly. So I try not to let that bleed too much into this game.
That leaves me with Pooka and Catventurer. The third evades me. Maybe bucktoothgamer.

Yogs is creeping me out this game. It’s so unlike him. I wonder, what is going on there. If it’s some new scum-tactic it sure is working on me.


Just so everyone knows. I’m on sick leave this week. That’s the only reason I can check in multiple times a day. I suspect, I will be back to work starting monday. So I will only be online around 17, 18 o’clock my time every day/other day. Which means, I will probably miss the next deadline.
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Catventurer: My impression is that there is scum has been hiding among the less active people.
Pooka
Scene now Flocke
Joppo
Yog

Mchack initially but I've since warned up to him.

Although I also have feels that Pooka and Scene/Flocke might not be on the same time. It's just a feeling, and I am more inclined to think that Pooka is on our side (town) than Flocke. Again just an impression.

Also I noticed that Lift (our moderator) gave a lot of leeway to Scene. I mean that he was gone for days and days, not mod killed, then Lift is willing to take literally any level of activity. It made me wonder if there is something extra important about Scene's role that he not be mod killed.

I also see that Flocke is leading on the investigation.

VOTE Flocke

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I really could use a night phase. No more games with no night phase.

Woke up today with a bloody nose on top of being sick - something that I started getting after the Camp Fire if the air quality isn't good or air is just too dry. I'm in NorCal, not SoCal or Armpit.
Ohhhhh. Some input.

You think, I'm less active. Cute. Just wait till next week. You will have a field trip all over me then.

You implying, I'm the accuser. Nice. Definitely something happening. You will have to ask Lift, if you want to know, why he waited so long. But you don't want to know, you just want to throw shade.
@trent: sorry. Corrected Vote Count:

ELECTION:
Trent North 4 - mchack 269, cat 306, bucktooth 316 and self
mchack East 1 - Flocke 336
all others are self-electing.

INVESTIGATION:
mchack 1 - joppo 333
Flocke 3 - pooka 302, mchack 326, cat 340
joppo 1 - trent 309
Cat 2 - bucktooth 285, Flocke 336

not voting: yogsloth
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FlockeSchnee: She said it here:
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Catventurer: I am neither Jane Marple nor Phryne Fisher. It is not my job to be lone solver of the mystery while the men just stand around doing whatever.
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FlockeSchnee: At this point, it should be clear, that no one (else) is getting engaged, so neither is she anymore.
We will have to agree to disagree on that then because I see that as her saying she shouldn't be the only one trying to solve things not her giving up on solving things.

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Catventurer: My impression is that there is scum has been hiding among the less active people.
Pooka
Scene now Flocke
Joppo
Yog

Mchack initially but I've since warned up to him.

Although I also have feels that Pooka and Scene/Flocke might not be on the same time. It's just a feeling, and I am more inclined to think that Pooka is on our side (town) than Flocke. Again just an impression.

Also I noticed that Lift (our moderator) gave a lot of leeway to Scene. I mean that he was gone for days and days, not mod killed, then Lift is willing to take literally any level of activity. It made me wonder if there is something extra important about Scene's role that he not be mod killed.

I also see that Flocke is leading on the investigation.

VOTE Flocke

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I really could use a night phase. No more games with no night phase.

Woke up today with a bloody nose on top of being sick - something that I started getting after the Camp Fire if the air quality isn't good or air is just too dry. I'm in NorCal, not SoCal or Armpit.
You shouldn't look at what the mod is doing to judge a player's alignment. The mod is impartial and does not give an advantage/disadvantage to either team. I do agree though, this no night phase thing is rough and I don't like it.
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FlockeSchnee: At this point, it should be clear, that no one (else) is getting engaged, so neither is she anymore.
You really seem to be taking my comments personally when nothing is. Why is that?

If I look at your posts specifically, all I see is you trying to act like it's somehow strange that I disappear for long periods of time and not around during most of the activity. Maybe it's because I'm in California. It's going on 10am here while it's 6pm over in the UK.

Also the last time I got this much aggression and push back from a specific poster, it was that game where I was a one-shot investigator, picked Pooka, found scum, Pooka did the waterfall of excuses, and Sage was trying to convince everyone that I was scum. Oh but Sage turned out to be scum too....

So I think that my current vote is entirely correct.
Thank you very much for making me feel more confident about it.