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Goodaltgamer: And you know what, in the moment I am too pissed off to continue.You know what, shall this place go down in hell. In the moment I don't care. I spend fucking hours of my own time which feel just wasted, I could have spend with something better.
You should always calculate whether or not failure is going to make you angry at something into the equation. If you optimize your time and effort appropriately then you'll be satisfied with all outcomes. :)
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DaCostaBR: Thank you! This has been a wonderful dozen and a half pages of discussing almost nothing regarding what the community manager should actually do to improve the forums. He dumped a bunch of stuff on the OP, and then there was no discussion, although he himself very much contributed to that fate.
I've had a private word with Goodalt and it seems he's really angry about this to the point that he's considering leaving the forum (yes, yes, I know, talking about private conversations in the open and all that, but I feel this is important). He may just need to blow off some steam, but he might not come back, and thus won't be able to update/compile much on the OP. Plus, I worry that this thread might be irredeemable.
Would you/others be opposed to me making a new thread, this time with the specific intention of suggestions on what to do with the community?
Post edited November 17, 2016 by zeogold
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DaCostaBR: Alts
Please refrain from using that word as it's offensive.

Genderfluid people who alternate between sexes don't like the use of the word Alt.

Neither do people who live an alternative lifestyle.

I think you should be immediately banned for this infraction as a warning to others.

[moderator-blue]*post reported*[/moderator-blue]
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zeogold: snip
If he really is prepared to leave after a very predictable downvoting spree then this thread was never going anywhere, you might as well try your hand at it.
Post edited November 17, 2016 by DaCostaBR
I leave the forum every week.

We'll see.
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PaterAlf: It's PaterAlf, not Peter.
Hiya Peter Ralph.

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tinyE: I leave the forum every week.
I've never threatened to leave and would never do so.

Too many people depend on me.
Post edited November 17, 2016 by Kleetus
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fables22: snip
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Vainamoinen: snip
So you can reply to another post I edited, change the wording to say I called you a Jew and report me again? I wonder what kind of jerk might do something like that? Oh, I know, a Vain one!

But in your mind, that's okay for you to do, right? Because you are the morally superior one?

No Vain, it's only in your mind that you think you are providing "high discussion culture" to these forums.

@fables This is exactly why you need to be very careful with this "banning for hate speech" bit. Just look at his list and why this crazy person thinks I should have been banned dozens of times.

If anyone should be banned it should be someone who intentionally fabricates evidence and tries to report someone...
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DaCostaBR: Thank you! This has been a wonderful dozen and a half pages of discussing almost nothing regarding what the community manager should actually do to improve the forums. He dumped a bunch of stuff on the OP, and then there was no discussion, although he himself very much contributed to that fate.
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zeogold: I've had a private word with Goodalt and it seems he's really angry about this to the point that he's considering leaving the forum (yes, yes, I know, talking about private conversations in the open and all that, but I feel this is important). He may just need to blow off some steam, but he might not come back, and thus won't be able to update/compile much on the OP. Plus, I worry that this thread might be irredeemable.
Would you/others be opposed to me making a new thread, this time with the specific intention of suggestions on what to do with the community?
I honestly believe that there IS no constructive solution. Guys like you who tread the middle of both extremes (ie: dtgreene, Vaina, Star, et al and Bradley, et al) are what make the GOG forums have a sense of normality. There's always going to be weirdos like those posters here, in all real probability, so it's best to simply treat them like any other crazy haired person on a street corner screaming conspiracy theories and outlandish claims. IGNORE them.

Or consider 'em local color, whatever. Thing is, by focusing on the minor things like rep or a few other niggling things that can make GOG forum culture irritating at times, you amplify them and blow them even more out of proportion. If there honestly should be any suggestion taken from this debacle, it's this: we need a hard-coded ignore function. Then everyone can have their own little bubble to either let other posters into or not, without complaints about targeting, etc. If someone is so dumb as to continue to make alts, you can ignore them too.

All that said: this is the internet. If someone's bugging you that much, unplug and walk away.
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LiquidOxygen80: If there honestly should be any suggestion taken from this debacle, it's this: we need a hard-coded ignore function. Then everyone can have their own little bubble to either let other posters into or not, without complaints about targeting, etc.
Well, that brings up the whole issue that JerkMuter caused, however, which was...divisive enough as it was.

My personal suggestion is just to boot the worst users, the one NOBODY will defend because literally everybody hates them and they're here for the sole purpose of stirring up trouble without constructive conversation of any form (Tauto, Regals, ciomalau, and others). I've seen plenty of people here who I disagree very sharply with in terms of politics and even morals, but outside of the political/moral argument, they're perfectly alright people capable of playing games or making jokes just like anybody else.
Just like everybody has their flaws, even the bad people have some good to them.
Bradley has opinions chock-full of hate, but at least he has the courage to stand for something. Even if that something is something I don't agree with, I can respect that he has principles which he stands by. He, according to him, always keeps his word, and I've never seen him pull a scam of any sort. He's fine when not on a political spiel, and, let's face it, some of his stuff is so crazy that it's hilarious just for the sake of laughing that anybody would even think of doing such things as he's pulled.
Dtgreene gets offended at every little thing and literally only ever talks about gender, RPGs, LGBT issues, and pretty much only anything which relates to her. Egotistic, yes, which I believe is an affect of her autism (which she has to have since she talks about autism all the time), but at least she's very knowledgeable about these particular issues. If I had a difficult math question, needed info about RPGs, or wanted to do research about LGBT issues, she's the first one I'd come to for help.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say I'd be satisfied if literally all Fables did was boot Tauto, Regals, and ciomalau and left without doing anything else. We've managed to not completely fall apart in the 8 or so years this place has been here, despite what others may say about "the good old days", which were only good to begin with because it was so small.
Post edited November 17, 2016 by zeogold
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dtgreene: Are you transgender? If not, maybe you should consider that you haven't been misgendered all your life.

If it's accidental and not constantly repeated, a simple reminder should fix the issue. If it's deliberate, then it's hate speech.

Again, please read the articles I posted links to.
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paladin181: Ugh. I knew this would degenerate into you taking a "me against the world" attitude. Calling you the wrong gender does not constitute hate speech. It may be insulting, it may be harassing, but it's no different than calling someone else an insensitive name. Just because its happening to you doesn't make it worse than what other people go through. You seem terribly insecure to me. But you have to stop making yourself a victim by being overly sensitive. If you ever do suffer a real tragedy no one will care because you're already so melodramatic.
so little dude greene managed to take yet another thread and made him self the victim and made it all about him and his wafer thin fee fee's being hurt ?
especially now there might be a "manager"he can hide his easily bruised fee fee's behind
color me oh so surprised

and so far this savior of the forums hasnt done much beyond posting in the we are totes listening gaiz !!! thread
stilla song and dance signifying nothing as far as i am concerned
Post edited November 17, 2016 by snowkatt
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LiquidOxygen80: If there honestly should be any suggestion taken from this debacle, it's this: we need a hard-coded ignore function. Then everyone can have their own little bubble to either let other posters into or not, without complaints about targeting, etc.
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zeogold: Well, that brings up the whole issue that JerkMuter caused, however, which was...divisive enough as it was.

My personal suggestion is just to boot the worst users, the one NOBODY will defend because literally everybody hates them and they're here for the sole purpose of stirring up trouble without constructive conversation of any form (Tauto, Regals, ciomalau, and others). I've seen plenty of people here who I disagree very sharply with in terms of politics and even morals, but outside of the political/moral argument, they're perfectly alright people capable of playing games or making jokes just like anybody else.
Just like everybody has their flaws, even the bad people have some good to them.
Bradley has opinions chock-full of hate, but at least he has the courage to stand for something. Even if that something is something I don't agree with, I can respect that he has principles which he stands by. He, according to him, always keeps his word, and I've never seen him pull a scam of any sort. He's fine when not on a political spiel, and, let's face it, some of his stuff is so crazy that it's hilarious just for the sake of laughing that anybody would even think of doing such things as he's pulled.
Dtgreene gets offended at every little thing and literally only ever talks about gender, RPGs, LGBT issues, and pretty much only anything which relates to her. Egotistic, yes, which I believe is an affect of her autism (which she has to have since she talks about autism all the time), but at least she's very knowledgeable about these particular issues. If I had a difficult math question, needed info about RPGs, or wanted to do research about LGBT issues, she's the first one I'd come to for help.
I know someone who defends Tauto, and so do you.
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snowkatt:
...and just like every bad person has some good to them, all good people have some bad to them, to add to my previous point.
For example, Goodalt wanting to help out the community, yet getting upset over minor things such as people misunderstanding or simply not reading his long and often complicated or confusing commentary (which he refuses to believe is either).
Or snowkatt here having a tendency to do nothing but complain. Seeing as, out of EVERYTHING in this entire discussion, she decided to fish out the ONE comment about dtgreene to talk about. Which is no better than dtgreene fishing out one comment from a discussion just to complain about a pronoun.
Post edited November 17, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: about LGBT issues, she's the first one I'd come to for help.
Agreed, if I was ever considering gender reassignment surgery she'd be the one I'd go to.

In fact, I'd probably consider her to do the actual cut 'n tuck.
Post edited November 17, 2016 by Kleetus
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tinyE: I know someone who defends Tauto, and so do you.
NES and Wakalo don't count. The last legitimate user to defend him quickly learned why that was a bad idea.
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tinyE: I know someone who defends Tauto, and so do you.
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zeogold: NES and Wakalo don't count. The last legitimate user to defend him quickly learned why that was a bad idea.
That's not who I was talking about.

Actually forget it.

This thread has become a joke and I'm leaving it.
Post edited November 17, 2016 by tinyE