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This is my favourite topic
Posted November 16, 2016
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immi101: you want to remove any links to mods
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Goodaltgamer: Why are you saying something, what I did NOT say?
read the rest of the sentence ;)
Posted November 16, 2016
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rodrolliv: You mean by someone from GOG? I've seen Judas editing posts to remove illegal links in the past, but I don't think they ever removed threads from the forum.
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Goodaltgamer: LOL

You do not spend enough time on the forum ;)

One day I have seen TWO threads vanish, after 1 minute of existence :P
But from I was able to gather it was always a thread trying to sell something or similar.

You really need to be quick, really quick ;)
Yeah but, like Alaric has mentioned, it's entirely possible that enough users hit the downrep+report on the thread because it was ciomalau's, no? I don't think members of the GOG staff would be that quick.
Posted November 16, 2016
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dtgreene: Another issue is that context can matter. For example, "gay" and "autistic" aren't necessarily offensive, but when used as insults, they are. Another example is "queer", which is often used as an insult (particularly when used as a noun), but has been reclaimed by many queer people.
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Klumpen0815: Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you and value your gaming input on these boards, so try for once not to perceive this as a personal attack or insult.
shortened a bit,

from what I have seen, she does not make a crusade out of it (anymore, I DO NOT KNOW HENCE I DO NOT JUDGE), she informs people and let it be, as you suggested. Hence I said a few times already in this thread:

SHE CAME UP with the idea of another test: Repetition, ONLY if somebody is doing it repeatedly the person is to be blamed.

So I can safely assume she is fully aware of the risk to fail to comply what SHE HERSELF SUGGESTED.
And calling somebody out on wrong usage I do not consider wrong.

I hope people will finally read it ;)

And maybe dtgreene as a suggestion, reply once that you understood and I will put in the summary so that we MIGHT get over it, once and for all ;)

EDIT: Klumpen not address at you as in you ;)
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rodrolliv: Yeah but, like Alaric has mentioned, it's entirely possible that enough users hit the downrep+report on the thread because it was ciomalau's, no? I don't think members of the GOG staff would be that quick.
No No....
Only three people did see his thread. I assume(!) it is actually script based and that the three of us were just lucky enough to find the right time slot ;)

When I wanted to post, I was wondering why my reply field was empty, press F5 and ???? 404, nothing to see here move on ;)
EDIT spelling mistake corrected
Post edited November 17, 2016 by Goodaltgamer
Posted November 16, 2016
I'll just say this once and then I really don't feel like discussing it: If you use JerkMuter PUT ME ON IT because I really don't want to have anything to do with you.

I'm not going to talk about it any more because I don't want to blow it up like I did last time.

Thank you. :D
Post edited November 16, 2016 by tinyE
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: Why are you saying something, what I did NOT say?
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immi101: read the rest of the sentence ;)
You rickrolled me, trapped me! Good job ;)
Buuuuuuuuut a really long stretch from my initial post to this assumption, or? ;)

Funny enough that you mention it and only please as a side note, hard enough to keep an overview here anyway ;)

This mods is a really grey area. As you do not really modify the software but rather the how to say context....I do remember that one user (IIRC an admin) replaced the default W95 startupscreen with his own version and MS lost this case. Reason along the line, all the original con-tense was still there and that such modification would need to be hard-coded to make such a claim.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: I do keep in mind that the forum is for +13 year old, how about those?
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JMich: It's not. The forum is for adults, or for 13+ with adult permission. A 13 year old should not be making an account on this site, and the legal guardian takes responsibility instead. Section 1.4 of the User Agreement.
Ancient Greek having invented politics, you'd expect a modern one to have read the (any) EULA and quoting it on the forum ....... <= weak attempt at the Greek slur of the week. Sorry :s
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: from what I have seen, she does not make a crusade out of it (anymore, I DO NOT KNOW HENCE I DO NOT JUDGE), she informs people and let it be, as you suggested. Hence I said a few times already in this thread:
Be assured, that I noticed and value the improvement that has already happened.
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Goodaltgamer: And calling somebody out on wrong usage I do not consider wrong.
Not, but trying to shut someone who wasn't persuaded up by calling "xphobia! hate speech!" is.
BTW: The whole topic of "right or wrong" is a huge philosophical can that just like Surtrömming shall better not be opened outside of an adequate environment.
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Goodaltgamer: Klumpen not address at you as in you ;)
Sorry, my translation skills fail me here. What is " to address in smth/so."?
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Klumpen0815
Posted November 16, 2016
While I am at it, my point on rep is that I wouldn't be against a system where you gain rep points to distribute for every <amount_of_currency_subordinated_to_geographical_location> spent on the website. Who is better suited to emphasize the good a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ in the community than the most supportive business customers ?

One extension would be that you give away this (+rep_unit) when you give a game away, which in turns gives the opportunity to the receiver to give the rep back to the generous gifter (or not).

And replace the minus_rep by mark_publicly_this_post_as_nonsense 'escalatable' to report_spam.

Daily post count is utterly pointless.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Potzato
Posted November 16, 2016
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Potzato: While I am at it, my point on rep is that I wouldn't be against a system where you gain rep points to distribute for every <amount_of_currency_subordinated_to_geographical_location> spent on the website. Who is better suited to emphasize the good a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ in the community than the most supportive business customers ?

One extension would be that you give away this (+rep_unit) when you give a game away, which in turns gives the opportunity to the receiver to give the rep back to the generous gifter (or not).

And replace the minus_rep by mark_publicly_this_post_as_nonsense 'escalatable' to report_spam.

Daily post count is utterly pointless.
In practice, would give much repping power to the richest customers, no ?

Edit : customers, not costumers.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Telika
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: Sorry if it came across wrong. Yes some people do have a grudge (rightfully), but does it mean ,as some others said as well, NOT to just say thank you for the freebie? BUT such and such....

I did not tie it to the rep system as I just wanted to illustrate (and what you have just proven, yes strike ;) ) how easy people forget something good. (and no not done on purpose, I really swear!!!!)

As I said people tend to forget the good quicker....
Well, you're assuming that me (and/or others) took the freebie and even so, the best thank you that i would give in return was a purchase on their store, something that i did in the past, i've purchased a game to give to someone else just because they offered Battle Realms.

Besides, let's not be gullible here, they didn't do it because gog is "generous", they did it to attract new customers and maintain the current ones. Something something, catching bees with honey something something...

point taken, but what did I say in post one: "false reporting of a claim (abuse of the rules)"
under point 2.
And again next test to be applied repeated.
Everyone can make a mistake. Hence the repetition being needed, do I need to make it clearer in the OP? (asking/suggestions)
Witch hunt/fake reports would back-fire onto the reporter if he does it more then once. But don't forget manual operation here. (another safeguard)
I roll over to the next part as this overlaps, me thinks.
Besides having a broken keyboard (still waiting for the replacement) and the multiple errors trying to post multiple quotes in a single post i hope that you can understand why i don't feel in the mood to discuss "what if" scenarios, who is who, who is right or wrong, what is a fake report and so on.

That is up for us the same way as we already identify scammers or similar. Me thinks, but maybe up for discussion.
But as I indicated, one thing, if scammer accounts disappear from the forum, they would need to start from scratch, in a really hard way, agreed? If we have doubt about a user, we could check for the upvotes, who does it, where when and so on, right?
Lol. do you think that the scammers thread contains the full list of his accounts? It only shows the accounts were it could be proven, hell, do you even realize how many accounts does 1 single scammer has? How can you possibly prove it and remove something like +300 accounts? There could even be "sleeping" accounts waiting to be used for future purposes...

But one reason to discuss it, would be also for GOG to see, what we want! (And yes keep further playing devils advocate or come up with new ideas :)
Let;s rephrase it, it seems that GOG finally realised that we are pissed off and they need to do something. No imagine the outcry if they just implement something on their own ;) Who knows maybe they learned ;)
And again, i'll wait for the confirmation that something can be done code wise otherwise it will be a waste of time to discuss something that can't happen. You might say that the new community manager is them finally doing something but as of now (again, nothing against fables22), it's just a pr move to calm things down.

Actions > words and i'll reserve my right to wait until something happens.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Cyraxpt
Posted November 16, 2016
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Cyraxpt: Well, you're assuming that me (and/or others) took the freebie and even so, the best thank you that i would give in return was a purchase on their store, something that i did in the past, i've purchased a game to give to someone else just because they offered Battle Realms.

Besides, let's not be gullible here, they didn't do it because gog is "generous", they did it to attract new customers and maintain the current ones. Something something, catching bees with honey something something...
Agreed, but when was the last time Steam did ;) (pun intended)
And even if the game was just a a simple freebie, still a nice one, or? (no answer needed as agreed mostly ;) )

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Cyraxpt: Besides having a broken keyboard (still waiting for the replacement) ......why i don't feel in the mood to discuss "what if" scenarios, who is who, who is right or wrong, what is a fake report and so on.

Lol. do you think that the scammers thread contains the full list of his accounts?
Sorry to hear, hope it will be there soon!
Only wanted to show/point out what I said, nothing else. And even if it takes some time to get rid of the scammers and alts, what is your take of the idea in general. (Still not saying stopping the devils advocate ;) )
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Cyraxpt: And again, i'll wait for the confirmation that something can be done code wise otherwise it will be a waste of time to discuss something that can't happen. You might say that the new community manager is them finally doing something but as of now (again, nothing against fables22), it's just a pr move to calm things down.

Actions > words and i'll reserve my right to wait until something happens.
Did WE not already agreed on this anyway *scratching my head*
But as I pointed out earlier (not sure if I did for you as well, so excuse me if I repeated myself) he did let us know he wanted to get some feedback from us. Links is in post 1, under fable22.
Does not nullify your point! But indication is there, right?......right? ;)
Posted November 16, 2016
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RWarehall: Because for every KingBradley or Regals, you have the dtgreene or Telika or Vain going around calling everyone who disagrees with them a racist, xenophobe, or a conspiracy theorist.
Dear Sir,

please find attached to this post a by no means complete quote collection of your excellent 2015 communicative efforts in the gamergate thread, provided with dates of the original posts and context. Rest assured that your posts have at all times added to an exceptionally high discussion culture on this forum and made a whole lot of new as well as old users feel welcome and wanted. I am looking forward to many more posts from you in your position of absolute moral superiority, and I am absolutely certain you have a whole lot to add to this thread in particular.
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Posted November 16, 2016
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Klumpen0815: Imho, as long as an opinion is stated without appeals to violence or being overly rude, it can be about whatever and should never be thrown into this whole "hate speech" term which is just a tool for shutting up opposition by now anyway.
The problem is, it doesn't take much effort to give hate speak the appearence of polite critizism. For instance, you won't find any rude namecalling in Goebbels movie 'The Eternal Jew'. It is all very civil in tone. Yet, with the holocaust and all, most would agree that it's pretty much hate speak, regardless.

Kinda the same point in this comic: Bigotry&mdash;An Educated Approach
Posted November 16, 2016
And I thought the Infowars thread was good.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Klumpen0815: Imho, as long as an opinion is stated without appeals to violence or being overly rude, it can be about whatever and should never be thrown into this whole "hate speech" term which is just a tool for shutting up opposition by now anyway.
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KasperHviid: The problem is, it doesn't take much effort to give hate speak the appearence of polite critizism. For instance, you won't find any rude namecalling in Goebbels movie 'The Eternal Jew'. It is all very civil in tone. Yet, with the holocaust and all, most would agree that it's pretty much hate speak, regardless.

Kinda the same point in this comic: Bigotry&mdash;An Educated Approach
Compairing a propaganda movie (with all the related effort and background behind it) to some statement made somewhere in the internet is a tiny bit far fetched, don't you think? Still always ready to dig up Godwin's Law, as I see. This is also a manipulative propaganda method by the way.

You have the right to question the statements in the lower half and it's always possible, that those people aren't just xenophobes in disguise but genuine.
Provocative, dangerous and probably motivated by prejudice rather than reason? Yes.
"Hate Speak"? No.

Most things that humans say and do is some lower instinct put in a civilized manner regardless of the superiority complex of most people and when it comes to bigotry, "censorship in the name of a free society" is too common these days too and if the authoritarian left these days would admit to being authoritarian, proper conversation would be way easier. You are rather tending towards the authoritarian side while I'm libertarian and that's ok, just be honest about it and look for bigotry in yourself as well, nobody is free of it. Being an honest person is vastly discouraged in most human societies, so it's not an easy trait to achieve.

Don't equate the freedom of speech with the freedom of unrestricted action, because while the former is mostly a good thing, the latter seldomly isn't but nobody (apart from some anarchists) is asking for it anyway.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Post edited November 17, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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