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Ah, thank you very much, JMich

Don't mention it ;)

The Tracker won't know who he is tracking, whether it's the Cult Leader or Deprogrammer until after there is a reveal. So even if tracking someone, he has a 50/50 chance of helping scum. So creating a plan to resolve Bookwyrm's alignment makes a lot of sense.

I'm actually a bit surprised Flub panned this idea so quickly. Does he have something to hide?

Vote Mr. Flub "Empty Bucket" Flubbucket-abub

I considered voting the mod, but figured I'd leave it to JMich this time around, I know we're both pretty fond of that move.

I'm busy but hopefully I'll have time to re-read wyrm's proposal and run it through my logics and give more feedback on it, it was an initial gut-reaction that I posted before, as I got the sense he was trying to manipulate and fool us, but I definitely mean to go check.

Brief check in, will try to post between holiday events. Parade next. Happy 4th to the U.S. contingent.

No, no no no, no. No. You must be high on the vacuum.
You too are high.

What you both say, is that moderator of the game is actually an in-game evil god that makes fireworks in people's brains. We don't have any moderator. We have our boss, Diego. By the way, where actually is Diego? We are trapped in eco-platform. So if "god" is SHODAN, killing it means chewing off all the electric cables that you can find!






Why is Babark no longer hyper-active?

Maybe he badmouthed the m(g)ods, too.

trentonlf isn't here to cry heresy at all the "role talk" so I'm filling in for now.

And with all my arrests for public indecency, I can safely say I have nothing to hide.



An aside....it's a lower case f because I'm not the least bit pretentious.

I don't think it's possible that the Cult Leader would claim Deprogrammer. Because it seems like the Deprogrammer would naturally target them, just to check, and then it's game over for the Cult.

I doubt he's a Cult member either, as that's basically suicide, with minimal information being given to the CL.

So my gut says he's either the real Deprogrammer, or he's a Townie attempting to draw the Kamikaze. Either way, it's a gutsy move.

I agree with this. It makes sense to potentially (more than likely) sacrifice a townie to verify Bookwyrm's claim.

If Bookwyrm is lying, the real Deprogramming visits Bookwyrm tonight. If Bookwyrm is a +1 cult (not the CL), Bookwyrm will die. If Bookwyrm is the CL, he will no longer have any power. This in itself, leads me to believe that Bookwyrm is telling the truth. If Bookwyrm was cult and did this, it was a a bad play.

If Bookwyrm is alive on D2, we have either a truthful Deprogrammer or a useless CL. We also assume the Tracker tracked Bookwyrm.

If Bookwyrm is a useless CL, he is all but toast. If Bookwyrm lies about his target, the Tracker exposes Bookwyrm's lie. We lynch Bookwyrm's target to determine who is lying. The lynch results give the Vigilante the confirmation to kill Bookwyrm. If Bookwyrm does not lie (as CL), we still lynch his target with the same results. If Bookwyrm is useless CL, it really doesn't matter if the Tracker reveals.

If Bookwyrm is telling the truth, he had a 2/11 chance of picking a remaining town PR and 1/11 or 2/11 chance of picking cult on N1. If he gets lucky and picks +1 cult, they are dead. If no one died N1, we lynch a townie (or unlikely the CL) to verify Bookwyrm's claim and the Tracker remains unknown. Worst case scenario here: Bookwyrm picked one the remaining power roles. Unlikely, but possible.

If possible, I do want to clarify one thing first...
@Lift - does a flip happen at the time of lynch? I believe the update on flips indicates that flips will occur, but that we will not know if it was one of the special roles. Am I reading that right?

Is there any reason for the Deprogrammer to claim?

Nope.

So i don't see how offering up one of their own is any gain of info for the Cult.

This is directed to Lift but since I'm here I'll take it.

Yes, a lynch will include a flip. If the lynchee is either the Deprogrammer or the Cult Leader, though, it will not include the role. Both will look like what counts as vanilla for their faction.

Funny, now the story changes...
First it's such a bad idea for a Tracker to ever claim...now it's "I'm Trent" and hate role talk.
If you hated it so much why did you contribute to the discussion with your first claim?

I like where my vote is placed...