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dtgreene: ... Colleges like Yale and others ... are teaching people to think for themselves, and to be more accepting of people who are different from them. ...

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Brasas: Honest question. How do you mesh the belief above with the obvious greater political / ideological homogeneity of the outbound graduate population?

Do you even deny the baseline fact that graduates are much less politically diverse than the broader population?
Do you rather assume the specific ideological / political matrix that is dominant with graduate populations is more rational / more correct than the diversity elsewhere?
Perhaps you have some more nuanced position, that campus life has characteristics that incentivize specific beliefs?

TL:DR, do you really believe education without indoctrination is the norm nowadays? :) And kindly note I'm not really mentioning the frequent missionary intolerance of those supposed moral leaders at being "more accepting of people who are different".
I would say that graduates are likely to be *more* ideological diverse than those who don't go to college, as college exposes the students to new ideas and a more diverse group of people.
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infinite9: Also, avoid the SJW-ridden colleges to prevent the further corruption of youth or the possibility of your kid getting tossed out for "triggering" someone's pathetic feelings. See Trigglypuff for details as well as the idiotic policies at places like Yale.
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dtgreene: I disagree with this advice. Colleges like Yale and others are not corrupting the youth; they are teaching people to think for themselves, and to be more accepting of people who are different from them. Also, you get a good education as a bonus. (Also, Yale's policies aren't idiotic.)

If a place like Yale is too expensive or too hard to get into, try public schools in your state. They're much cheaper if you can get in-state tuition, and you can still get a good education from them.
Funny you claim this. If I was to "think for myself" at some of these places, I would be ostracized as a "neo-Nazi," a "fascist," a "racist," a "sexist," and an "anti-semite." They would also throw in "Islamophobe" without recognizing the term is made up in order to discredit criticisms towards Islamic doctrine as well as "xenophobe" since defending the survival of one's own country and people is considered "phobic" to them. To put it simply, they would disregard many things that I say as "hate speech."

Also...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69tkCbeC5o
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tort1234: No need to be so butt-hurt about it and start a thread about it. You made that girl, now she is your responsibility and you should handle it.
I was trying to think of a more diplomatic way to say the same thing. FAFSA is Federal student aid. Meaning, we're all helping to finance the daughter's education if she gets the grants / loans. It's not at all unreasonable for the parents - if financially able - to chip in a bit more for their particular kid than the rest of us do. That's all that the paperwork is trying to determine.
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infinite9: Also, women studies needs to end.
Women's and gender studies is important and needs to continue until women and non-binary people are truly equal to men in all social aspects. This includes things like living wages and the handling of things like rapes (from what I can read, about 1 in 4 women are raped during their lifetime; the figure for men is much lower, though not zero). Consider how often rape victims are not believed; only 1/3 of them are even reported in the first place, and far fewer get actually prosecuted. (This figure is actually even worse when the victim happens to be male.)

There's all sorts of gender inequality in this society; while it is present, gender studies will be important, and seeing as how racism hasn't disappeared, it seems unlikely that sexism will for a long time. Even a woman becoming president of the US would not be enough to stop sexism (just like having Obama be president didn't stop racism).
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dtgreene: I disagree with this advice. Colleges like Yale and others are not corrupting the youth; they are teaching people to think for themselves, and to be more accepting of people who are different from them. Also, you get a good education as a bonus. (Also, Yale's policies aren't idiotic.)

If a place like Yale is too expensive or too hard to get into, try public schools in your state. They're much cheaper if you can get in-state tuition, and you can still get a good education from them.
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infinite9: Funny you claim this. If I was to "think for myself" at some of these places, I would be ostracized as a "neo-Nazi," a "fascist," a "racist," a "sexist," and an "anti-semite." They would also throw in "Islamophobe" without recognizing the term is made up in order to discredit criticisms towards Islamic doctrine as well as "xenophobe" since defending the survival of one's own country and people is considered "phobic" to them. To put it simply, they would disregard many things that I say as "hate speech."

Also...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69tkCbeC5o
First, one grammar nitpick: "If I was" is incorrect here; what you should say is "If I were". (Did you forget about the subjunctive in English? Or maybe you never learned about it.)

The problem with you is not "thinking for yourself", but more that you are the sort of person who would ostracize other people; therefore being ostracized is fair play here.

Also, I know the rules of the Pokemon card game enough to know that the card you posted an image would be impractical in actual play (only 30 HP and its cheapest attack requires 3 energy to use).
Post edited June 12, 2016 by dtgreene
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infinite9: Also, women studies needs to end.
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dtgreene: Women's and gender studies is important and needs to continue until women and non-binary people are truly equal to men in all social aspects. This includes things like living wages and the handling of things like rapes (from what I can read, about 1 in 4 women are raped during their lifetime; the figure for men is much lower, though not zero). Consider how often rape victims are not believed; only 1/3 of them are even reported in the first place, and far fewer get actually prosecuted. (This figure is actually even worse when the victim happens to be male.)

There's all sorts of gender inequality in this society; while it is present, gender studies will be important, and seeing as how racism hasn't disappeared, it seems unlikely that sexism will for a long time. Even a woman becoming president of the US would not be enough to stop sexism (just like having Obama be president didn't stop racism).
First of which, Obama made racism worse since it made false accusations of racism more rampant. You want to stop racism? Quit using the term as a go-to buzzword to silence dissent, quit assuming only white people can be racist, and recognize that black people and other "people of color" (colored people) can be extremely racist not just against whites but also against other people.

Women studies is only important to the people who get degrees in them since the only job for them is teaching women studies in these colleges. Also "non-binary?" There are only two genders/sexes as proven by chromosomes. Anything else is a genetic disorder like XXY chromosomes or a mental disorder like "transgender."

Also, those claims about unequal pay have been dismantled time after time again. They basically take the median amount earnings of women and compare it to the median earning of men without any regard to the differences of the number of hours worked like how men work more hours than women, the type of jobs men tend to do like engineering, and the fact that men are more likely to die on the job. By the way, female models get paid more than male models. Just saying.

Also, equality is a lie. It is anything but natural or practical. We are not equals because we are not all the same despite those idiotic memes that show cartoon skeletons and ignore basic biological facts like bone structure differences between men and women and facial bone structure differences among racial groups.

By the way, Hillary Clinton is an example of sexist rhetoric. We are expected to vote for her just because she is a woman despite how she defended sexual predators for over thirty years like when she did what she could to ruin the lives of the women who spoke out against her sexual assailant husband or when she laughed during a new interview in the 1980s about getting a child rapist off easy by vilifying the victim. It is kind of like when we were expected to vote for Obama because he is significantly part black African which is basically racist onto itself.

Terms like "racism" and "sexism" are thrown around as go-to buzzwords to discredit opposition and ignore that it is possible to be racist against white, possible for blacks to be racist against non-blacks, possible for ethnic Jews to be racist, and possible to be sexist against men and any woman that does not fall in rank-and-file with the modern feminist and liberal movements.
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dtgreene: snip
Take a very simple political polling and US realities. Graduates are much more one sided in political preferences than the broader population. We aree so far?
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bler144: Again, unless Congress is willing to significantly spike its investment in higher education, that's just not likely to change.
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infinite9: Funny you say that. Student "aid" spending rose tremendously since the late 1980s and has resulted in higher tuition fees and reduced quality of college degrees.
Meh. Ignoring anything else this is the classic correlation != causation issue.

Of the dozens of studies looking at the issue, only a handful have found correlation. [And only one has established causation, and that for a very select subset of the overall population]

The data at least tends to suggest most of the spike in spending since the 80s (and particularly since 2000) is from an increase in enrollment, not an increase in funding per student.

So "resulted in" just hasn't been proven to even any minimal degree - it's a case where it's just become politically popular to believe it because ....(insert partisan view from Right or Left).
Post edited June 12, 2016 by bler144
How in the blue Hell do you retards turn a discussion about financial aid into an argument about gender wars? FFS you idiots will argue that shit ANYWHERE.
I would say *tough luck*
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paladin181: How in the blue Hell do you retards turn a discussion about financial aid into an argument about gender wars? FFS you idiots will argue that shit ANYWHERE.
So how did it go? Did you sign your daughter's financial aid even though they invade your privacy or not? Not to pry but I was just curious if you ended up going against your own previous view or not.
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Nirth: So how did it go? Did you sign your daughter's financial aid even though they invade your privacy or not? Not to pry but I was just curious if you ended up going against your own previous view or not.
I gave them the pertinent information. We went round about it and eventually they conceded some points as did I. It reduced the amount of eligibility she had, but in the end we both ended up more or less happy.