Well we are on the same page what concerns the end game. Although I think that the foundation of ethics and moral values in the western world was influenced heavily by christian values - well, you can rule out the likes of Friedman and Soros-, if you believe in god or not. And the destruction of the family unit is going on for more than 10 years.

But the current trend, some mix of Starship Troopers and Logan's Run in the near future perhaps.

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Damn you wrote more stuff, while I was answering. Will go back to that tomorrow.

Of course, but there could be some thoughts about other or better models. I don't think that ethics and moral values are the only result of one religion at all. It's a deeper part of our own humanity and we all should rise our voices. Personally I'm not a "thing" or a "resource" and I don't want to handled like this. So for the first start: Ending this global self-plundering for "more" (more money, more equality etc.). If we see this speech as some kind of metaphor, okay. But I don't trust the words or better: I don't trust he's meaning exactly this word by word.

Could be, but to be honest: Both views are very dystopic.

Easy, friend. No problem! For the first: Thanks for the reply / feedback! :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/europe-border-frontex-warns-isis-weaponising-refugees-terrorism-radicalisation-a7496771.html

Here. I hate being right, or being right, but i have no choice, alas. It's perfectly fine with me if Europe wants to suicide, after all seppuku (ritual suicide) or christian martyrdom is a spiritual practice and all, a human right, under scopes even compassion and charity (concept of mercykill and ancient customs)... But me and some other people with their marbles still in place, don't wanna join you; wouldn't it be inhumane to force us die alongside you? Kindly, please, before it's too goddamn late, simply defend those borders and send all such scum back to their deserts?

Do you really think I want you or me to sacrifice our lives? Just because I write about tolerance and help does not imply I'm against a reformation. Seperation is not a solution if the places the people are living are trheatened through bombing, war and generally speaking terror. And every child has earned a chance for a better living as every human being. Instead of having proof by proof about the concurrent situation: What do you think could help? As I've said earlier: Giving the liberal muslims a voice and therefore a chance for upcoming reformation and a change.

???

First i wasn't referring to you specifically. Second, even some of the children and the unescorted ones at that, commit crimes, we have at least 3 major cases of underage rape (from UNDERAGE RAPISTS, TOO) and knife fighting, arson and vandalism, where i live, so their children have earned nothing other than some gullible idiots' full pockets and empty brains, or even worse, some crafty crooks' discovering ways to leech more money outta european funding for playing charity. Third, by the gods, just what is that which i quoted? What is that supposed to mean, where does this exist, from what sphere of fantasy did this term just come out of? Is it something like that "gender helicopter" or something?

Or, is it something like that USA democrat, Ayloush, who celebrates for Russian tragedy and wished double the victims in his official twitter, before?

Liberal muslim... Sorry, i don't believe in make-believe scenarios, only hard facts and bare truths. I like fairy tales, i really do, but falling asleep while listening to them might cost me my head or something; thanks, but no, thanks.

And to disclose on the matter permanently; people (most of them are men, women and children are scarce and journalists search frantically for them to photograph for set up yellow press) who don't love their own home and don't fight for it, to make it great, instead flee elsewhere, how exactly do you expect of them to honor, respect and protect their new home even as a minuscule TOKEN, which also happens to be populated (for the time being at least), by kafir people they hate (or at least their holy book commands to slay/deceive/enslave/buy/treat-like-objects/takiyah-to-death)?

Until we get reformations these people aren't worth the risk. Further, why in the hell is it the responsibility of western society to take in these people? Other Muslim countries should be stepping up to take this burden on. We should only be taking Christian refugees.

COMPLETELY not related to this response, but love this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxzP_ITjEsY

Because religion and nationality does not matter? Capitalism always spreads more inequality within the world, the feeling that "we" are some kind of "better" than others. In fact: We are not! We export poverty throughout the world because we want our "products" even more fast and efficient created, but also cheap. And learning together also imply that a more liberal islam is possible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_and_progressive_Muslim_movements

First, when did I say nationality mattered? You are assuming that because I don't want Muslims in this country that I don't want Arabs. Two separate things.

Second, religion sure as heck matters, especially when its a death cult that hates the west and is a doctrine of conquest.

I'm sorry, but western values are better than Islamic values. You care about the rights of homosexuals or women, you live in the west. You want to be thrown off a building for being a homosexual or want to be forced to wear a Burka you live in the middle-east.

All these years of self-hating leftist bullshit have taken their toll it seems.

As I've said before, I'll be overjoyed to see Islam receive reformations, until then their belief system is incompatible with western values. I fear its just a pipe dream, if not a dream that will go unfulfilled in my lifetime.

As for 'exporting poverty', I do my best to buy products made in America and vote for candidates that are more likely to bring jobs back to America.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/outrage-after-seven-young-refugees-9523175

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2484010/migrants-arrested-berlin-homeless-man-set-on-fire/

HERE!

UNDERAGE REFUGEES, once again, show us their true face! Clap, clap; keep rigging the homes of us all with sub-human trash that would even laugh, while sadistically killing horribly, helpless people who never even harmed them in the slightest (imagine what fate is in store for those of us who are not helpless)!

There! Idiots! When will that goddamned Eurofarce collapse down at last? Enough with your fuctarded Foreign Policies and Globalization Asspulled Stunts! Step Down goddammit, bastards! You 'll destroy us all, dumb ingrates!

This may be something already posted here at one point, but its the first time I read it.

"Sexual emergency".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3860168/Iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-Theresienbad-swimming-pool-sexual-emergency-conviction-overturned-Austrian-court-didn-t-prove-realised-boy-saying-no-incident-Austria-December-2015.html

What the actual **** Austria?

Sharia and muslim law punish the victim, unless 3 witnesses watch the scene and for some strange reason, decide to help the victim, instead of their Brother under Allah. Europeans respect foreign customs, even if foreign customs attack european ones daily. Something you don't understand?

In ireland they even allow child brides to muslim men remain theirs as an official couple, unlike other european places that force them to be separated and the child sent for professional care.

Think like agreeing that European Union is toxic and dangerous to all european people still drawing breath, today? Think like agreeing to the fact that we are being ruled by traitors and enemies to our own kind, citizens, nations? Think like even now, feel like waking up and fighting against Kalergi plan, Globalization, New World order and the crimes planned or even worse, already executed, against native europeans, under the pretext of humanitarian, charity and "progress", or (!!!) "civilization" and "cultural enrichment"?

I am wondering if Austria don't have any goats.

Here is my counter argument to all these links showing the violent acts of immigrants, which are being used to enforce the idea that all immigrants/refugees should be blocked. Millions of people have been displaced due to war, oppression and poverty. And while it would be nice to think the first to die in such circumstance would be the jerks, bullies and scum; it is their lack of empathy and compassion which helped them to survive.

Save a hundred thousand people, in that number will be dozens of arseholes. Unfortunately its unlikely they'll have "known wanker" tattooed on their foreheads.

Every year there are horrific acts done by naturalised citizens onto their fellow citizens. The UK itself is reeling from decades of systemic child abuse.

Its easy to make news out of a hand full of people doing horrible things. Thousands of people just getting on with their lives free from persecution or poverty, doesn't make the news.

So lets bring these uncivilized 'arseholes' into our civilized countries.

We're getting more than dozens and they are doing things far worse than being 'arseholes'.

Again, so lets bring even more into our countries. Further lets sacrifice our citizens to these monsters at the alter of 'tolerance'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzwJPHnezLE&t=11s

This isn't a hand full, its a damned epidemic.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/syrian-refugee-known-crimes/

Also, excellent rebuttal against the media and leftists/Islamic apologists that keeps claiming these terrorist attacks are not related to Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ePVxRLDM0

There are no monsters! There human beings doing monstrous things, that's a fact. And by calling people interested within a solution only "leftists" or "islamic apologists" does not solve anything. There is enough proof within this discussion that there are interests for more liberalism and giving help to reach that. But repeating that there are monstrous deeds just heat on hatred and another monstrous deeds when people have to suffer under discrimination and prejudices.

And for the records: The repeated downvoting just show up how far away this community is from being able to communicate and accept different positions. But for sure: You can also go on with that! :D