If you don't want to call someone who raped a child a monster then go ahead and do you.

I'm satisfied calling certain people monsters.

The problem is they aren't interested in solutions. If they were I wouldn't be for completely shutting down refugees coming into western countries.

I'm not seeing anyone offering solutions, besides those of us who want to see refugees denied. Islamic countries can take in Islamic refugees.

Facts are facts and they shouldn't be censored or denied because it hurts your feelings. People KNOWING what these refugees are doing = giving them the ability to distance themselves from potential attacks or keep their children away from them so they aren't raped.

You realize why this happens so much? Muhammaed is considered the ideal for Muslim men. He is the pinnacle of the religion. He had a 6 year old bride that was 9 when he consummated the marriage.
I may disagree with you but I haven't downvoted you. Were you speaking up for others on here who get downvoted when they criticize Islam? Were you downvoting them yourself? Because I see numerous posts that I would consider 'common sense' with 'low rated'. Islam NEEDS to be criticized or nothing will change.

I think you're missing the point. Our civilised counties already have its fair share of arseholes, its part of the human condition. The more people, the more arseholes, though the percentage would remain about the same.
I'm using arsehole as a catch-all.

No, I didn't miss your point, you missed mine. We shouldn't have to worry about another civilization's 'arseholes'. Especially when we both have plenty of our own and their culture promotes disturbing amounts of disgusting behaviors.

Explanation of Islam's hypocrisy with homosexuality.
http://thechroniclesofislam.blogspot.com/2009/12/muslim-man-on-muslim-boy-love.html
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/hadith-prophet-muhammad-kissed-the-penis-of-small-boys/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263167/boys-taliban-jamie-glazov

"It is no surprise that John Racy, a psychiatrist with much experience in Arab societies, has noted that homosexuality is “extremely common” in many parts of the Arab world.[1] Indeed, even though homosexuality is officially despised in this culture and strictly prohibited and punishable by imprisonment, incarceration and/or death, having sex with boys or effeminate men is actually a social norm. Males serve as available substitutes for unavailable women."

We see certain crimes from these refugees due to cultural differences. Unless these people can be vetted or they reject the aspects of their culture/religion that conflict with western values they have no place in our society.

I fully get that and I'm also mocking how 'arsehole' doesn't do justice to the levels of 'arseholeness' being committed.

This is includes the downvoting for everyone, yes. Either we talk and get a concrete point or we left this out. Just to hide postings, blocking them also does not help. And I think some of us have not understand the responsibility of being direct and open within a talk / discussion.

I couldn't disagree with you more as far as the refugee situation goes but I'm glad you are open to discussion about the topic. Part of the reason Muslims often don't question their faith is because anytime an outsider questions it they are labelled a racist and so on furthering their belief.

Somewhat related to this topic of downvoting but NOT in response to you throgh, why did this post:
get downvoted? Did Rwarehall commit some sin on these boards that anything he posts gets downvoted? I'm sure not seeing anything controversial about that post.

And, for the most part, they’re far richer than our countries; so they could easily take care of them, especially since they share the same culture. That’s how you see it’s not about saving lives—it’s about invading and destroying the Western civilisation by drowning our numbers.

This is WHY muslim states don't put those "poor" and "suffering" people in, accommodate them and cater to their needs, like "brothers". In the Qumran, there is punishment for muslims who aren't faithful and not participate in charity towards fellow muslims and no mistake; their "holy laws" compel them to.

Either everyone is in the plan and it's coordinated...

Or those people are so barbaric, that not even those related would let them anywhere near their lands.

Either way, we are getting a Trojan Horse inside europe; full of explosives in its belly, too.

It all goes back to the teachings of the Quran. They want their relatives, or fellow believers in other lands converting the populace or dying in the process (dying in the process = guaranteed trip to heaven).

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=100
"And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful."

Our leaders have no excuse for taking these people in though.

Also, off-topic to this response but related to the Quran because we need a laugh.

Muhammad and semen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfDYzY-shBA

I think a reality check is needed more than a laugh here, because, unfortunately, none of your references are accurate. Even the verse you quoted has you taking the meaning ass-backwards. You've got this bizarre interpretation that "going to other lands, converting people and dying in the process" is what it is talking about, but if you even take a cursory glance at the passage you lifted that single verse from, you'll realise it is talking about people who are being oppressed and restricted from following their beliefs in their home, they are told to emigrate to some other place.

Not to mention your post before this one, where you provided links that literally made up quotes out of thin air.
A pro-tip in that regard: if something is an ACTUAL islamic instruction and command, you'll find it very easily through ACTUAL islamic sources and sites, instead of having to visit anti-muslim or christian proselytising sites to get info on Islam. If you have to find your info from such sources, and those sources turn out to be BS, then you've got a problem with where you're getting your info from.

This isn't a religious forum nor really is this thread related to religion, and this is certainly not the place to post scripture-dumps or go into what could be interpreted as proselytising, so I won't go into all that much detail (you can PM me if you want more info), but I only say this because I think it was you who was constantly going on about "If you want to learn islam READ THE QURAN!" etc. I very much agree with you. Go to the source instead of getting your interpretations filtered from sites that have an obvious beef. If it is actual scripture, it'll be there out in the open.

As for the subject of the thread, I've observed that (generally through no fault of the participants,) the content of this thread also unfortunately cannot help but be one-sided. I mean, no one is going to write a news article about "Refugee saves boy on bicycle from being run over" or "Refugee in Europe saves cat from tree" "Refugee donates blood at hospital" or "Refugee sings songs with buddy after a long night of work" or "Refugee cooks middle eastern dinner for host family as a gesture of thanks" etc etc etc. The only source for such stories will be people who have met them in person and can relay them. Obviously all you'll get in the news are the things that the news feels would sell: the more violent and visceral and tawdry stuff, so it makes sense that an impression will be built among those especially who do not have direct contact, that that is the sum total of the behaviours of the refugees, or even that that is the MAJORITY of the behaviour of the refugees, instead of the exact opposite.

I tried once, was downvoted (don't care about that, only actually noticed when I looked up the link). https://www.gog.com/forum/general/europe_is_burning_the_terrorism_thread/post312

What' you've presented is a really good post to hold them to account. I'd say to keep fighting this, but I'm done with these guys. Don't let them turn you inside out.

On the food. Confirmed.
https://dailysunnah.wordpress.com/

As for immigration, take your pick.
"Sahih International: And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

Pickthall: Whoso migrateth for the cause of Allah will find much refuge and abundance in the earth, and whoso forsaketh his home, a fugitive unto Allah and His messenger, and death overtaketh him, his reward is then incumbent on Allah. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Yusuf Ali: He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious: Should he die as a refugee from home for Allah and His Messenger, His reward becomes due and sure with Allah: And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Shakir: And whoever flies in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Messenger, and then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Muhammad Sarwar: One who abandons his home for the cause of God will find many places of refuge in the vast land and one who dies, after having abandoned his home to get near to God and His Messenger, will receive his reward from God. God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.

Mohsin Khan: He who emigrates (from his home) in the Cause of Allah, will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by. And whosoever leaves his home as an emigrant unto Allah and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward is then surely incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is Ever Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Arberry: Whoso emigrates in the way of God will find in the earth many refuges and plenty; whoso goes forth from his house an emigrant to God and His Messenger, and then death overtakes him, his wage shall have fallen on God; surely God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."

Also, Ibn Kathir would apparently disagree with you.
"Allah tells us that those who migrate for the sake of Allah, seeking to earn His pleasure and that which is with Him, leaving behind their homelands, families and friends, leaving their countries for the sake of Allah and His Messenger to support His religion, then they are killed, i.e., in Jihad, or they die, i.e., they pass away without being involved in fighting, they will have earned an immense reward.......

(Truly, He will make them enter an entrance with which they shall be well-pleased, and verily, Allah indeed is All-Knowing,) meaning, He is All-Knowing about those who migrate and strive in Jihad for His sake and who deserve that (reward).

Most Forbearing,) means, He forgives and overlooks their sins, and He accepts as expiation for their sins, their migration (Hijrah) and their putting their trust in Him. Concerning those who are killed for the sake of Allah, whether they are Muhajirs (migrants) or otherwise, they are alive with their Lord and are being provided for....."

Ignoring the rampant homosexuality in Islamic countries then yes, lets focus on ACTUAL Islamic verses.
https://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_58.php
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

Or is that site anti-Islamic too.

I'll give you the penis kissing, as translations on that are a bit all over the place, some saying 'navel' others penis. The semen stain cleaning is confirmed in numerous passages.
http://quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/hadith/bukhari/001.004.231.html

That's to say nothing of how disgusting it is that he is ****ing a 9 year old. While he married her when she was 6 maybe he just 'thighed' her until she was 9.

This thread is about terrorism. The terrorism happening right now is Islamic. There is an obvious connection and I'd say its pretty reasonable to try and find out what that connection is and why.

When the crimes are of the horrific scale that they've been then yes, obviously the focus is going to be on their disgusting behavior and acts of violence. We're not talking minor thefts and what-not (though that's happening on a large scale too).

Great, don't question your faith, don't question why there is so much violence committed in the name of Allah. You are part of the problem.

Also like to point out how pathetically minor the good has been in comparison with how horrible the bad has been.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016
21,000 dead from terrorist attacks in 2016 alone, but a migrant made some good wine. The world is in balance.

Hmmm....it seems you haven't actually read what I was saying? Perhaps in your hurry to reply, you missed it? Let me quote myself for your benefit:
Hope it is helpful this time! Since you mass-pasted a bunch of translations of the single verse I was referring to, I am sure you have access to the entire passage! If not, hit me up, and I'll be happy to provide.

Except then what you quoted had nothing to do with homosexuality? Also, not that I agree or disagree with your statement (nevermind the unproven assertion, but what the hell is an "Islamic country" anyhow?) but your phrasing now makes me curious...do you feel there is something wrong with "rampant homosexuality"? I thought usually the complaint was that they were AGAINST "rampant homosexuality"?
Anyhow, it seems you are now at the phase of "rampant jumping from topic to topic as things get addressed in an attempt to point out bad things™ about islam". Do you want me to address what you posted, or once I do, you will jump to the next thing? Like I said, this isn't a religious forum, but if you're actually curious, I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you in PM. Or I could discuss it here, and be accused of proselytising, or even just ignored...like I said, I've had experience with peoples' eyes glazing over at quote dumps. Flashy headlines always make a more vivid impression.

That is interesting. Since this is a thread about terrorism in Europe, could you provide examples of the "horrific scale" of these crimes? As in, the crimes themselves, and how they are horrifically scaled compared to crimes of others?

I'll post this again since I edited it in later and it was probably missed.
I'm not sure how these links couldn't be any clearer as far as homosexuality goes.
http://thechroniclesofislam.blogspot.com/2009/12/muslim-man-on-muslim-boy-love.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263167/boys-taliban-jamie-glazov

As for "Do I feel there is something wrong with 'rampant homosexuality'? Yes, if you then throw them off a building because they had some hair on their face and/or were getting a bit too old to 'not be counted'.

I do like to look into the topic and I keep finding interesting things to post. I have no interest in "PMing". If you want to discuss Islam I'd prefer to do it right here in the open.

You keep saying 'this isn't a religious forum'. What is this thread about? Terrorism. Who are the terrorists? Followers of Islam. I want to know why that is... so I look to the Quran, its teachings and how they are being followed. If they are being perverted then that needs to be stopped. The problem I've found is the more I research the Quran the more it appears the terrorists are the true believers.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016

Not all of these are cases of refugees of course.

-Truck attack in Nice, France killing 86.
-49 Dead in Orlando, Florida gay nightclub.
-12 Dead in another truck attack in Berlin, Germany.

The list goes on and on but I'm just pointing out some of the bigger body counts from refugees. Morbid isn't it? There isn't any group committing violence like this in the name of any other deity.

EDITED to fix some misquotes of you to me. Oops! Also to make it a bit easier to read by providing more space between points.

Ibn Kathir would disagree with me? Does he disagree with the Quran as well? Reading through the stuff you quoted, it does not seem so. How does it disagree with what I said (and what is written in the passage you lifted your single verse from)?

You seem to be mixed up a bit? Earlier you mention homosexuality in the context of it being a bad thing, and then you talk about it in the sense that punishment of it is a bad thing? Are they both bad things?
And yes, I read your links already, they're the ones I talked about creating quotes out of thin air. It is a bit hard to respond to baseless accusations, because they have no base to respond to. Your link is in reference to a specific cultural practice in a specific part of the world (and not all the other parts of the world that is majority muslim) that even predated islam, and somehow the entirety of islam is to blame for it?

Then how about sticking to a single topic. Focus on it as deeply as you like, in how specifically the scriptural understanding and interpretation of Islam is at fault for it. All the more appropriate if it is relevant to the topic of this thread.. Instead what I see here is: "X is bad, and islam does X!" "No it doesn't" "<ignores previous response> Y is bad and Islam does Y!" "No it doesn't" "<ignore previous response> Z is bad and islam does Z!" etc.
You've already admitted in a completely dismissive and noncommital way that one of your points was wrong. That does sort of put a huge question mark on the veracity of your source, no?

Yes, I keep saying "this isn't a religious forum". The moment I start posting huge chunks of actual complete quotes from Islamic scripture, people will get bored and ignore it, it'll be called proselytising, or tell me to go to a religious forum. And that makes sense, because this isn't a religious forum. This is a site dedicated to selling games. Nobody cares about long and detailed, nuanced discussions on religious topics, those are for religious forums. If I started a thread about, as an example, the debate of "Faith vs Works" in Christianity here, people would think I'm weird, probably derail my thread immediately, and tell me to go somewhere else with that stuff. If you want to start a thread on the merits or demerits of Islam as a religion, please go ahead, I'd like to see how that turns out.

I'm sorry, but I do not have the time to go through an unsourced list one by one. You think you're the first person to reference that site? They sure do have a very lax methodology! But you do mention specific examples...so as a comparison (and I mention a comparison only because we're talking about 'horrific scale'), would you say that the shooting by Dylan in the church in Charleston, is an example of "white terrorism" or "christian terrorism"?

Dylan Roof is a white racist (don't think he mentioned Christianity as an inspiration...he's probably opposed to it)...he's also a totally marginal figure, without any organization behind him...and in fact even non-violent white racists in the US are marginalized, face a lot of pressure and ostracism by mainstream society. Whereas you're writing from a country where the state has institutionalized discrimination against religious minorities, where violence against discriminated against minorities is a common occurrence and which has laws like that blasphemy law which is a perfect pretext for targeting vulnerable non-Sunni groups...there is simply no equivalence here, nothing remotely similar exists in the US or any other Western country today (instead the US has affirmative action as atonement for its racist past).