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catpower1980: Yep, I was going to post about it. If the guy goes in hiding with some "outside help" like Abdeslam in Brussels, Germans are screwed as it will be hard to get him if he's got some local protection.

I've also took notice about of the interview of the cousin of the Polish driver which brought up that during the fight which led to his death, he got three different of wounds (bruises, knife and gunshot) so that leads to the possibility that there could have been more than 1 attacker who took care of him before the truck was hijacked. This of course would need some official confirmations so it has to be taken with a grain of salt ATM.

==>>Most importantly and maybe some Germans could answer that: I'm surprised there is no mention in the press of street cameras and investigations of their footages, is it uncommon to have cameras in the central streets of Berlin?
I'm not sure something quite as bad as Molenbeek exists in Germany...though some cities have quarters that might develop in that direction.
Anyway, very bad situation. It wouldn't surprise me if this was the action of an IS team specifically trained for such a mission...you need logistics and a plan to pull off something like this. If that's the case, there's more to come.
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SirPrimalform: Excellent, another type of prejudice to add to the steaming shitpile this thread already is.
First of all, EVERYONE is prejudiced. Yes... even you. You have an issue with any religion or political stance? You are prejudiced.

Second, I have good reason to be prejudiced against the 'triggered' SJWs. Their behavior and hypocrisy is appalling.
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morolf: The guy from Pakistan seems to have been uninvolved and has been released from custody. Which means the real perpetrator is still at large.
I don't think something like this can be pulled off by a single person, it's probably a team, and I'm convinced there's more to come.
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catpower1980: Yep, I was going to post about it. If the guy goes in hiding with some "outside help" like Abdeslam in Brussels, Germans are screwed as it will be hard to get him if he's got some local protection.

I've also took notice about of the interview of the cousin of the Polish driver which brought up that during the fight which led to his death, he got three different of wounds (bruises, knife and gunshot) so that leads to the possibility that there could have been more than 1 attacker who took care of him before the truck was hijacked. This of course would need some official confirmations so it has to be taken with a grain of salt ATM.
police just said that it hasn't ruled out the possibility of more than one attacker, last I heard.
*shrug* but basically atm it is just a whole lot of "we don't really know yet".

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catpower1980: ==>>Most importantly and maybe some Germans could answer that: I'm surprised there is no mention in the press of street cameras and investigations of their footages, is it uncommon to have cameras in the central streets of Berlin?
definitely far less common than other countries like say the UK.
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fables22: You are perhaps right, but I really can't think of a nicer way to react to being accused of being a white supremacist. Especially since I've not said anything that would even remotely imply that.
And yes, the slippery slope argument of "if we're not allowed to say this, we're surely also not allowed to say this" does offend me, not just somewhat offend me. It contributes nothing fruitful to the discussion, and, if anything, it's dangerous to the perception of the line between moderation and censorship.
I like you. Don't take any shit from these guys, CatPower has a history of using these threads to establish an undercurrent of hatred towards immigrants (he's a facist, that's not an insult, I truly believe he actually really is a member of the belgian facist party, I guess that's just his political ideology, though there was a nice article today on the BBC about how the definition has changed). I completely agree you on what appears to be a low tolerance policy until, hopefully, you can kick the forum back into a reasonable shape. When that happens, maybe you'll dial back a bit on it. I hear they're trying something similar in the Philippines with some similar public order issue they're having.

Also there's some shocking grammar around here, by all means put yourself on that pedestal (there's no way you're going to regret that one).

Anyway, just wanted to lend my support, don't want to natter too long and distract things, gotta contribute to the discussion :).

EDIT - For grammar :)
Post edited December 20, 2016 by wpegg
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wpegg: I like you. Don't take any shit from these guys, CatPower has a history of using these threads to establish an undercurrent of hatred towards immigrants (he's a facist, that's not an insult, I truly believe he actually really is a member of the belgian facist party, I guess that's just his political ideology, though there was a nice article today on the BBC about how the definition has changed). I completely agree you on what appears to be a low tolerance policy until, hopefully, you can kick the forum back into a reasonable shape. When that happens, maybe you'll dial back a bit on it. I hear they're trying something similar in the Philippines with some similar public order issue they're having.
Haven't read every post by CatPower but not getting any fascist vibes from them. The western world is having severe problems with Islamic immigrants right now. Is it now fascist to talk about these issues?
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wpegg: When that happens, maybe you'll dial back a bit on it. I hear they're trying something similar in the Philippines with some similar public order issue they're having.
lol, is that an endorsement of what's going on in the Philippines, with police and death squads just killing suspected drug dealers without due process?
Post edited December 20, 2016 by morolf
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throgh: So then there should be help for a reformation. And there are in fact many liberal muslims in the world. So why is there nobody listening to them? (o.O)
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GreasyDogMeat: Probably thanks to the media brainwashing the west has received. The same media that actually tried to blame the Orlando shooting on American conservatives. I've listened to some brilliant Muslim women who are trying to promote reformations. I'm trying to find one now so I can post her video.

Ayaan Hirsi. Very brave woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JTCMwdrpt4
Well, yes Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a very brave woman, but she's not muslim.
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Atlantico: Well, yes Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a very brave woman, but she's not muslim.
And that's another part of the problem. Speak out against the religion and you are no longer a Muslim.

Islam is very cult like. You convert and you are ostracized.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258159/Asian-family-converted-Christianity-driven-home-Muslim-persecutors.html

http://livemag.co.za/featured/i-converted-from-muslim-to-christian-and-my-family-isolated-me/
Post edited December 20, 2016 by GreasyDogMeat
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GreasyDogMeat: And that's another part of the problem. Speak out against the religion and you are no longer a Muslim.
Guess that's the same with every religion... Christians especially had numerous cases...
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GreasyDogMeat: And that's another part of the problem. Speak out against the religion and you are no longer a Muslim.
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toxicTom: Guess that's the same with every religion... Christians especially had numerous cases...
The extent isn't nearly close. This is a religion that has an issue with honor killings. Not all religions are created equal.

http://hbv-awareness.com/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12388801
Post edited December 20, 2016 by GreasyDogMeat
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fables22: You are perhaps right, but I really can't think of a nicer way to react to being accused of being a white supremacist. Especially since I've not said anything that would even remotely imply that.
And yes, the slippery slope argument of "if we're not allowed to say this, we're surely also not allowed to say this" does offend me, not just somewhat offend me. It contributes nothing fruitful to the discussion, and, if anything, it's dangerous to the perception of the line between moderation and censorship.
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wpegg: I like you. Don't take any shit from these guys, CatPower has a history of using these threads to establish an undercurrent of hatred towards immigrants (he's a facist, that's not an insult, I truly believe he actually really is a member of the belgian facist party, I guess that's just his political ideology, though there was a nice article today on the BBC about how the definition has changed). I completely agree you on what appears to be a low tolerance policy until, hopefully, you can kick the forum back into a reasonable shape. When that happens, maybe you'll dial back a bit on it. I hear they're trying something similar in the Philippines with some similar public order issue they're having.

Also there's some shocking grammar around here, by all means put yourself on that pedestal (there's no way you're going to regret that one).

Anyway, just wanted to lend my support, don't want to natter too long and distract things, gotta contribute to the discussion :).

EDIT - For grammar :)
Thank you!
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GreasyDogMeat: Haven't read every post by CatPower but not getting any fascist vibes from them. The western world is having severe problems with Islamic immigrants right now. Is it now fascist to talk about these issues?
No it's not. My suspicions here were mostly based around his behaviour in the cologne thread, and this post where he suggests the Kristallnacht was, if not a good thing, then an exaggeration (indicative of holocaust denial): https://www.gog.com/forum/general/no_snide_comments_on_this_one_please_why_dare_we_not_talk_about_euroepan_regugee_crises/post420

However if he just wants to clear the matter up, he can just reply to make things clear.
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Atlantico: Well, yes Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a very brave woman, but she's not muslim.
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GreasyDogMeat: And that's another part of the problem. Speak out against the religion and you are no longer a Muslim.

Islam is very cult like. You convert and you are ostracized.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258159/Asian-family-converted-Christianity-driven-home-Muslim-persecutors.html

http://livemag.co.za/featured/i-converted-from-muslim-to-christian-and-my-family-isolated-me/
That is probably true, I'm not familar with how muslims think of her, I'm just going with her own statements. She's a declared atheist.

In fact she's pretty anti-muslim. It's funny that even though she's been abused by the religion she was born into, is a woman, is black, she's still scorned by the mainstream because she dares to speak against islam.

Is there anything higher on the imagined "oppression scale" than islam in the west? Evidently not even a black, abused, mutilated woman. Maybe if she was lesbian, that would help. But nah, let's be realistic here.

She's oppressing muslims.

Also interesting is to read or hear Salman Rushdie talk about his feelings on islam. He's also not muslim. (Any more, by his own accord)
Post edited December 20, 2016 by Atlantico
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wpegg: No it's not. My suspicions here were mostly based around his behaviour in the cologne thread, and this post where he suggests the Kristallnacht was, if not a good thing, then an exaggeration (indicative of holocaust denial): https://www.gog.com/forum/general/no_snide_comments_on_this_one_please_why_dare_we_not_talk_about_euroepan_regugee_crises/post420

However if he just wants to clear the matter up, he can just reply to make things clear.
I don't know much about that group but the information, if translated correctly, hardly seems like some fascist hate group. Willing to give them more than the benefit of the doubt as an American who has gone through this latest election with every 'ism' thrown at their beliefs.

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Atlantico: That is probably true, I'm not familar with how muslims think of her, I'm just going with her own statements. She's a declared atheist.

In fact she's pretty anti-muslim. It's funny that even though she's been abused by the religion she was born into, is a woman, is black, she's still scorned by the mainstream because she dares to speak against islam.

Is there anything higher on the imagined "oppression scale" than islam in the west? Evidently not even a black, abused, mutilated woman. Maybe if she was lesbian, that would help. But nah, let's be realistic here.

She's oppressing muslims.

Also interesting is to read or hear Salman Rushdie talk about his feelings on islam. He's also not muslim. (Any more, by his own accord)
Are you actually serious when you say that she is oppressing Muslims?

If true you realize that Christians are the most oppressed religion in the world?

As for her becoming an Atheist... can you blame her?

EDIT: To make the post easier to read/less sloppy.
Post edited December 20, 2016 by GreasyDogMeat
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GreasyDogMeat: I don't know much about that group but the information, if translated correctly, hardly seems like some fascist hate group. Willing to give them more than the benefit of the doubt as an American who has gone through this latest election with every 'ism' thrown at their beliefs.
It's nothing about that group. He refers to "The night of crystal", that was The Kristallnacht.
Post edited December 20, 2016 by wpegg