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KneeTheCap: Also, can you draw?
You be the judge. But I do think I can.

http://tomimt.deviantart.com/
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adaliabooks: But I'd certainly give the vids a watch, if I could draw half decently it would help considerably with my ambitions for game making...
Hasnt hindered a lot of indie devs out there to be honest.
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adaliabooks: But I'd certainly give the vids a watch, if I could draw half decently it would help considerably with my ambitions for game making...
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Sachys: Hasnt hindered a lot of indie devs out there to be honest.
True, but my problem tends to be I'm a perfectionist and I want to make exactly what I envision in my head, but can't. I can see the gorgeous 2D or 3D worlds I'd like to create, but fall far short of actually being able to achieve it.
But my larger problem is a lack of time, as I have a lot of other stuff that is higher priority before I could really start devoting time to something like that regularly.
Anyway, as this thread shows, there's no real need for me to get better at the art side of things when there are so many talented artists out there. And some day I'll be in a position to pay someone to help me realise my ideas :)
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Sachys: Hasnt hindered a lot of indie devs out there to be honest.
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adaliabooks: True, but my problem tends to be I'm a perfectionist and I want to make exactly what I envision in my head, but can't. I can see the gorgeous 2D or 3D worlds I'd like to create, but fall far short of actually being able to achieve it.
But my larger problem is a lack of time, as I have a lot of other stuff that is higher priority before I could really start devoting time to something like that regularly.
Anyway, as this thread shows, there's no real need for me to get better at the art side of things when there are so many talented artists out there. And some day I'll be in a position to pay someone to help me realise my ideas :)
The thing is that those talented artists know their value and their work costs a lot. Not saying that's wrong or anything, if one is good at doing something, one should not do it for free.
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adaliabooks:
Like KneeTheCap said

But also, theres no reason you cannot produce whatever you can and pass it onto an actual concept artist if you really want to get a vision rendered out somewhat before beginning other work on it.

Edit: forgot to mention. Not being in a position to pay does not reduce your ability to work with such an artist - you can always offer a % of ownership of the final game, or maybe seek a final year student in need of a good project.
Post edited August 21, 2015 by Sachys
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KneeTheCap: The thing is that those talented artists know their value and their work costs a lot. Not saying that's wrong or anything, if one is good at doing something, one should not do it for free.
I'd be fully prepared to pay what ever it was worth to get the artwork and would never ask anyone to work for free or less than they were happy to. Hence why it will be quite a while before I'm in a position to do something like that.

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adaliabooks:
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Sachys: Like KneeTheCap said

But also, theres no reason you cannot produce whatever you can and pass it onto an actual concept artist if you really want to get a vision rendered out somewhat before beginning other work on it.
True. I do try my hand at drawing now and again, but it's mostly maps these days (as they, while still difficult, are somewhat easier for me than people or buildings). I've been working on various ideas in my head for years, and I'm fully prepared for it to take many more years to get any where near the light of day.
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blotunga: Nope, can't do. I suck at anything art-related (drawing, music etc).
They're all learnable skills despite the overwhelmingly vast number of bad teachers and resources.
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MaximumBunny: They're all learnable skills despite the overwhelmingly vast number of bad teachers and resources.
Not in my case. I have no musical ear, and as for drawing & co. I simply can't. Even in school if I had to draw a straight line it came out curvy and if It was supposed to be curved then it came out straight-ish.
If this weren't the internet, I'd say you'll always be your harshest critic. I used to draw stick figure comics everyday in school, then started copying (not tracing but reference like you say) DBZ stuff a lot. I slowly started picking up the way to draw jawlines and eyebrows in that anime style, and got pretty decent.

After school I hadn't drawn at all for a long time, eventually felt like trying again but I have a problem with having no ideas to draw. I made an art request thread on the forum I was always on and really enjoyed taking suggestions and just seeing what I could do. As an amateur, my advice is to draw a little at least everyday if you can manage it. Even just sketching will teach you things as you keep doing it. Hardest stuff for me was shading, I never really got the hang of that for some reason.

Anyway, here's a couple things I drew, a few of the drawings I'm actually proud of! :D
(All by hand, I can't use the mouse because I'm left-handed and have no tablet)

The reduntant <i>Vegeta son of Vegeta</i>

<i>Super Meat Boy vs. Mega Tofu Man!</i>

Fit together way too easily; PoquoteMon

Yeah, I think having fun with it is the easiest way to get better, but you also have to find the style that fits you and you're comfortable with.
Post edited August 21, 2015 by whatsnottaken
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KneeTheCap: References are a must, yes. At least for me :D
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Sachys: checkout a guy called MJRanum on deviantart - has a brilliant royalty free stock photography profile I'll often use myself - for referential or transformative use.
Was going to recommend dA myself; there are a gazillion free drawing tutorials available, simply waiting on a keyword search.

Fun fact: my spellchecker thinks "gazillion" is an actual word. Huh.
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rtcvb32: I recall having a lot more skill drawing when i was in kindergarden... then the teachers were pulling me aside and calling my parents because of the pictures... apparently forked tongues were a big warning sign when in fact i thought it looked cool...
Giving a kid a hard time for drawing? That's screwed up, unforgivable!
I always drew by myself in kindergarten whenever possible and didn't let any grownups get into my way. At home, I drew a lot with my brother. One of my report cards from kindergarten said "little awalterj likes to draw many skeletons and ghosts and monsters. Interaction with other kids and gross motor skills are improving" - looking back, I find that amusing. Fortunately, no one tried to stop me and they would have failed if they had tried. I liked to draw and all this "interaction" and "gross motor skills" stuff was very much secondary.
In elementary school, one of the teachers tried to stop me by telling me I had to join a group project since it was the "project week". I stubbornly held my fort and kept drawing my own project. Everyone liked it in the end and that stupid teacher had to admit defeat. Even now, his restless soul roams the town screaming "vengeance, veeengeance!" - ok not quite like that, I think he did accept things gracefully as I never had any trouble from that teacher again.
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awalterj: Giving a kid a hard time for drawing? That's screwed up, unforgivable!
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Hmmm this post reminds me of one of the early posts for the comic Better Days... Hmmm... i forgot JL did really adult stuff, heh... i'll post the pic links...

part 2?
part 3?
Speaking of drawing... Anyone has some sort of Drawing Bible for people who knows jackshit about drawing and wants to learn the basics ?

I know heavy practice is essential, but having a very good book with strong basis, tips and advices sounds like a plus to me.
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Tza: Speaking of drawing... Anyone has some sort of Drawing Bible for people who knows jackshit about drawing and wants to learn the basics ?

I know heavy practice is essential, but having a very good book with strong basis, tips and advices sounds like a plus to me.
You can go here for a forum that provides free "classes" where you can post your assignments. You can do it at your own pace: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316196
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rtcvb32: Hmmm this post reminds me of one of the early posts for the comic Better Days... Hmmm... i forgot JL did really adult stuff, heh... i'll post the pic links...

part 2?
part 3?
"I know a kid who is from Georgia, and he is retarded"

:'D