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Posted May 14, 2016
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vemin: you missed the point, sure game runs 60 fps with denuvo. but it WOULD run better w/o it -because denuvo is virtual machine - so some resources ARE wasted, maybe its not critical for you but people with weaker pc would be able to get better fps

so you tell people to blame themselves because unnecessary resources are wasted to ensure they wont torrent shit, nice
And therein lies the problem. There's no cold, hard proof that Denuvo causes performance loss.

Denuvo is anti tamper, the real DRM is Steamworks for Tomb Raider, for example.
Posted May 14, 2016
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zeroxxx: And therein lies the problem. There's no cold, hard proof that Denuvo causes performance loss.

Denuvo is anti tamper, the real DRM is Steamworks for Tomb Raider, for example.
you really have no idea what virtual machine is, right? well then there is nothing to talk about.
there is no difference what it is - drm, anticheat, or my little pony in-brain-installer.
It hides the real game code after a layer of virtual machine, anyone who believes it doesnt hit performance is just stupid or fanboy (denuvo fanboy, didnt think they exist lol)
Posted May 14, 2016
Listening to TB 'gush' over it in his 20 minute video, the first initial impressions look good, meaning this is actually what DOOM3 SHOULD have been (Rather than DOOM3 wanting to be a horror game).

Still, first person twitchy fast paced action that's headache inducing for me, DRM that requires a server for you to play (so probably Diablo3 and SimCity's model), as well as 40Gigs in size are all things that I frown upon.

But if we ignore size & DRM, I still wouldn't get this as I lost interest in this type of gameplay back in the late 90's, back when Quake2 and Duke Nukem 3D were still heavy hitters. No, I just can't do it.
Posted May 14, 2016
well. I'd play a decent doom remake, but this one is consolized + I'm generally very disappointed in 99% of modern AAA games
Posted May 14, 2016
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vemin: you really have no idea what virtual machine is, right? well then there is nothing to talk about.
there is no difference what it is - drm, anticheat, or my little pony in-brain-installer.
It hides the real game code after a layer of virtual machine, anyone who believes it doesnt hit performance is just stupid or fanboy (denuvo fanboy, didnt think they exist lol)
Last time I checked, I run virtualization even on my company servers. I've been in IT world not for one mere year, but for many years.

I'm asking for proofs. You can't give it, your problem not mine. There's no need to claim virtualization this and that, just go straight to the point.

Again, I'm asking the question, where's the proof? Is my English that difficult for you?
Post edited May 14, 2016 by zeroxxx
Posted May 14, 2016
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rtcvb32: I still wouldn't get this as I lost interest in this type of gameplay back in the late 90's, back when Quake2 and Duke Nukem 3D were still heavy hitters. No, I just can't do it.
It is a good change of pace between slow rgs what I'm usually playing.
Posted May 14, 2016
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Antimateria: It is a good change of pace between slow rgs what I'm usually playing.
True... But I get nauseated from the first person perspective usually, and twitchy/fast movement just makes my head hurt. I'm not a teenager anymore, I can't act at such high speeds as I used to.
Post edited May 14, 2016 by rtcvb32
Posted May 14, 2016
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Antimateria: It is a good change of pace between slow rgs what I'm usually playing.
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rtcvb32: True... But I get nauseated from the first person perspective usually, and twitchy/fast movement just makes my head hurt. I'm not a teenager anymore, I can't act at such high speeds as I used to.
I do too usually but it seems that doom doesn't make me sick so much and at least there's a fov slider but it seems pretty good in default even, perhaps I got used to a bit narrow field of view in fallout 4.

Well I turned mouse speed up quite a bit but if I would play with a controller I sure as hell wouldn't play ultra-violence difficulty and I would think it would be overall slower experience.

Fun fact, classic dooms made me feel sick more than once. =)
Posted May 14, 2016
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zeroxxx: Last time I checked, I run virtualization even on my company servers. I've been in IT world not for one mere year, but for many years.

I'm asking for proofs. You can't give it, your problem not mine. There's no need to claim virtualization this and that, just go straight to the point.

Again, I'm asking the question, where's the proof? Is my English that difficult for you?
proof of what? of virtualization? go search for how denuvo works - it is basically a copy of VMProtect. if you really need i can link my sources - they are in Russian, thats your problem how you'll read it
Posted May 14, 2016
60 euros for a short game ?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/379720/discussions/0/357286119108890051/
Posted May 14, 2016
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vemin: proof of what? of virtualization? go search for how denuvo works - it is basically a copy of VMProtect. if you really need i can link my sources - they are in Russian, thats your problem how you'll read it
Meh all talk. That speaks your knowledge, nothing at all. I guess you're that kind whiny kid who only hates DRM for the sake of hating on it.

Twice asked, twice failed to even hold his own grounds.
Post edited May 14, 2016 by zeroxxx
Posted May 14, 2016
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Painted_Doll: 60 euros for a short game ?
In my defence I paid about 45 €. Also it was back when I had money. Oh how the times change.. ^^
It's not the lenght it's how you feel about the game after playing it. Also difficulty setting. I don't know how many levels there are but i'm on the third one I think.
Posted May 14, 2016
nono! you have console potred multyplayer nobody liked a month ago!
that costed them equivalent of 5 Xbones to develop!!!!!
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zeroxxx: Meh all talk. That speaks your knowledge, nothing at all. I guess you're that kind whiny kid who only hates DRM for the sake of hating on it.

Twice asked, twice failed to even hold his own grounds.
+1 same opinion of you. if you really want to discuss more - pm me, It is not a thread about denuvo
Post edited May 14, 2016 by vemin
Posted May 14, 2016
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zeroxxx: There's no cold, hard proof that Denuvo causes performance loss.
Due to the way it works it's inevitable that it will incur a performance hit, and that systems with weaker CPUs will be much more affected.

The Lords of the Fallen developers said that Denuvo was expected to incur up to a 5% performance hit. Unfortunately it was on a Twitch stream that is no longer available (it was linked to from here).

That "up to 5%" figure is in line with the figure given by CDPR for SecuROM on the original retail version of The Witcher 2, however when that came out it was found that weaker systems were actually hit very hard - up to 30% drop compared to the DRM-free version from GOG. I would not be at all surprised if this is also the case with Denuvo, especially since Denuvo was formed from SecuROM and works in a similar manner (albeit without its own authentication mechanisms).
Posted May 14, 2016
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Painted_Doll: 60 euros for a short game ?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/379720/discussions/0/357286119108890051/
For you, Desert Bus is the greatest game in gaming history, isn't it?
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