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Gede in regards to your first response just above on an "AI Winter" I think of an AI trained on an AI being like making of a copy of a copy multiple times over. This is a similar reason to why I oppose supporting AI works at all myself, but as a human it is more that that garbage will make me smooth brained and likely uncreative, later possibly incredibly ignorant to a point resembling absolute stupidity. With the latter I am thinking of ALL the SciFi which sees AI take over but instead of something as obviously sinister as Terminator or others it is the Nanny State. Here humans are so ignorant of all the technical, artistic and so much more acquired knowledge over the centuries it is hard to differentiate them from idiots. With "Idiocracy" there was the idea that humanity fell apart because stupid people were the ones largely having the kids but does no one forget when Joe went to the "doctor", it was AI tech. that could diagnose everything. So technology created part of that awful scenario too.
I think nowadays, the end consumer only sees AI as a way of carrying out searches, creating pictures or being offered goods.
But AI has so many other areas in which you can use it.

I think AI is the second industrial revolution. The first was electricity.
Many processes can thus be simplified and made faster.

For example, software or a computer games can be developed in a much shorter period of time.

Companies that do not integrate AI into their ecosystem will probably no longer be able to compete with companies that use AI in long term.

What many people see as a threat is the super AI, which acts like a human being. However, this does not yet exist and will not exist in the foreseeable future. The AIs used today are mostly tied to specific tasks and cannot adapt any knowledge gained from their assigned tasks to other task fields.

Another threat that is seen in AI is that it will make some jobs obsolete. However, new professions will emerge as a result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZBRMcUkqNA
Were those animations generated by AI or not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmrObKptPuE&pp=ygUZamFrIGR6aWHFgmEgdHJhbnNodW1hbml6bQ%3D%3D
What’s your own thoughts about transhumanism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsVJJuMiDHQ&pp=ygUZbWF4IGhlYWRyb29tIHJ1dGdlciBoYXVlcg%3D%3D
I guess it’s something for those suffering with so-called existential crisis.
Besides would Max Headroom be considered as Artificial Intelligence or still not yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ZMHjq80jLFw&pp=ygUfS3JhaW5hIEdyenliw7N3IE5pZWtyeXR5IEtyeXR5aw%3D%3D
I guess it was such a nice drug overdose so-called Acid Trip.
In case of polish alternative of Max Headroom,but female version instead.
Post edited August 31, 2024 by TheHalf-Life3
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Silverhawk170485: I think nowadays, the end consumer only sees AI as a way of carrying out searches, creating pictures or being offered goods.
But AI has so many other areas in which you can use it.

I think AI is the second industrial revolution. The first was electricity.
Many processes can thus be simplified and made faster.

For example, software or a computer games can be developed in a much shorter period of time.

Companies that do not integrate AI into their ecosystem will probably no longer be able to compete with companies that use AI in long term.

What many people see as a threat is the super AI, which acts like a human being. However, this does not yet exist and will not exist in the foreseeable future. The AIs used today are mostly tied to specific tasks and cannot adapt any knowledge gained from their assigned tasks to other task fields.

Another threat that is seen in AI is that it will make some jobs obsolete. However, new professions will emerge as a result.
Show me a job that will be more rewarding than music composition, acting, painting, writing, etc. The replacement job will be a dogshit job. NO ONE has a dream of becoming some bullshit job of managing AI. Granted that new job becoming ANYTHING of value is only under condition of them being allowed to lie and not being required to label AI on any new project esp. AI acting, composition, writing, etc.
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Silverhawk170485: I think nowadays, the end consumer only sees AI as a way of carrying out searches, creating pictures or being offered goods.
But AI has so many other areas in which you can use it.

I think AI is the second industrial revolution. The first was electricity.
Many processes can thus be simplified and made faster.

For example, software or a computer games can be developed in a much shorter period of time.

Companies that do not integrate AI into their ecosystem will probably no longer be able to compete with companies that use AI in long term.

What many people see as a threat is the super AI, which acts like a human being. However, this does not yet exist and will not exist in the foreseeable future. The AIs used today are mostly tied to specific tasks and cannot adapt any knowledge gained from their assigned tasks to other task fields.

Another threat that is seen in AI is that it will make some jobs obsolete. However, new professions will emerge as a result.
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Sarang: Show me a job that will be more rewarding than music composition, acting, painting, writing, etc. The replacement job will be a dogshit job. NO ONE has a dream of becoming some bullshit job of managing AI. Granted that new job becoming ANYTHING of value is only under condition of them being allowed to lie and not being required to label AI on any new project esp. AI acting, composition, writing, etc.
In the examples you listed, it depends on how the people who listen to the music, look at the pictures and write the books appreciate it if it was created by a real person or an AI. It will then become clear whether there is a market for AI-generated art or not. Technologies for which there is no need will probably not be developed further.

What I find interesting in this respect is how an artist is defined.
Is someone who can use image editing programs on a PC already an artist or just someone who can paint with a brush and went to art school?
Is only the person who can write notes an artist or also the person who composes a piece using a DAW like Fruity Loops without having any deeper understanding in music composition?
Is a DJ who performs with PC support not an artist, while a DJ who still performs with vinyl records is?

In all examples, digitization has simplified work steps, even without AI, and people use it because it is simply available. Nevertheless, in all cases, some kind of intellectual input is required from the individuals in order to achieve a predefined result.
All it needs is to be properly labeled so people can make a CLEAR choice. All those examples you list aren't about almost fully automating the product with next to ZERO human input except largely writing PROMPTS and you know this.
You are being disingenuous here.
Post edited August 31, 2024 by Sarang
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Sarang: All it needs is to be properly labeled so people can make a CLEAR choice.
Agreed that AI generated text should be labeled.

According to ChatGPT (remainder of this post is AI generated):

Here are some key points to consider:

Transparency: Labeling AI-generated text promotes transparency, enabling readers to understand the source of the content. This is essential for building trust, especially in contexts like journalism, education, and research.

Ethical Considerations: Clearly marking AI-generated content helps to address ethical concerns, such as misinformation, manipulation, and the potential for AI to be used maliciously.

Intellectual Property: Distinguishing between human-generated and AI-generated texts can have implications for copyright and ownership, particularly in creative fields.

User Awareness: Identification can help users critically evaluate the content. Knowing if a text was generated by AI can influence how it is interpreted and the weight it carries in decision-making.

Regulatory Frameworks: As AI technology develops, there may be a push for regulations that require transparency in AI-generated content to ensure accountability in its use.

Variety of Applications: The implications of labeling may differ depending on the context. For example, in creative writing, a reader might have different expectations than in a technical or scientific writing context.
AI is useful for restoring old photos or photos that are blurry. Also helpful for sharpening and enhancing old VHS footage thought to be too far gone. Topaz Labs are using it the right way.
Observation: The AI generated portion of my previous post doesn't feel like something I would have written.
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u2jedi: AI is useful for restoring old photos or photos that are blurry. Also helpful for sharpening and enhancing old VHS footage thought to be too far gone. Topaz Labs are using it the right way.
I am not opposed to using AI upscaling selectively to create patched, UNCENSORED versions of Disney films as long as they are composed of like 5 minutes or less footage total in the movie. Case in point, Max's dream in "Goofy Movie", the sex smoke in Aladdin and any of the tampering they did to "Roger Rabbit" and the BR or 4K, etc. This 1984 crap needs to stop.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_DPi0PmF0&pp=ygUXQUkgd2FudHMgdG8ga2lsbCBodW1hbnM%3D
It looks like that Artificial Intelligence wants to kill us all humans by reinterpreting it’s own words definitely not quoting.
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TheHalf-Life3: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_DPi0PmF0&pp=ygUXQUkgd2FudHMgdG8ga2lsbCBodW1hbnM%3D
It looks like that Artificial Intelligence wants to kill us all humans by reinterpreting it’s own words definitely not quoting.
I think we need growth solutions to provide alternative AI, that is to say, AI grown under different data and conditions than most are. We need to treat it like you would raising a kid in the 70's or 80's or 90's, NOT the kids growing up with all the SMS garbage today or even the Internet today and what it is PLAGUED with, like pop-up ads and so much more crap.
Instead we should have it see both humanities best and worst but from a VERY 2D, flat perspective. I don't want it scouring all the ugliest stuff like Faces Of Death 10X or Snuff over and Videodroning, Brainscanning or ExistenZing itself. It is fine when it grows to a certain point to READ about it though.
When I say 2D it would largely be reading, watching some video and listening to music. The video would largely be movies with some news that is not grossly explicit. Some movies would be shown AFTER it read enough essays/material to put it into context, for example, Horror movies. Drama would be earlier and Comedy would require it reading a few papers.
For music I think it largely speaks for itself and AI might more easily find pleasure in it naturally.
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Sarang: Show me a job that will be more rewarding than music composition, acting, painting, writing, etc. The replacement job will be a dogshit job. NO ONE has a dream of becoming some bullshit job of managing AI. Granted that new job becoming ANYTHING of value is only under condition of them being allowed to lie and not being required to label AI on any new project esp. AI acting, composition, writing, etc.
If you can work on your own stuff, it sure is rewarding. But who of us has a chance to do that? And who pays for that?

Most of “art” is working on marketing, writing training material, technical manuals, documenting private events or events of public interest, writing on-demand magazine content, providing translations, et cetera.

Who has the money to pay for that, except big business? And big business, unfortunately, rarely has big creative ideas. Something to do with a necktie, limiting the flow of oxygen to the brain.

Translating a normal-sized 350 pages novel, for example, is a project that costs 10,000-20,000 Euro when a human does it. A good part of this budget is post-translation edits and change management. For most authors (and publishers), that's a lot of money.

But 95% of books never break even. If you sell 1000 copies, consider yourself lucky. At the current rates that publishers provide, the creative individual earns less than 1 Euro per copy sold. The only reason you can buy books at 10 bucks a pop or even less is that the people writing these books do it more or less for free. They are taking the financial hit for you, that's how.

Ergo: It is not AI that is breaking the market. AI is introduced to a market, that is broken to begin with, and that cannot possibly earn artists a living, unless they somehow produce more+faster+cheaper.

This is made worse by business models like Kindly Unlimited, which favor mass over class. An author, with 100 books on dinosaur porn, will easily outearn the philosopher writing a key piece changing the understanding of their entire field. Because that one guy has 1 book, and the other has 100. One guy has a niche audience, and the other has intercourse with dinosaurs. Who do you expect is taking home the bacon? The algorithm doesn't care if a book changes your life, it only cares about the number of pages read.

In addition, there is a lot of “casual consumption”, where consumers of art (who are, unfortunately, still the source of your income) don't care much for quality. It doesn't need to be perfect, it only needs to be “good enough”, comfortable to use, and “perfectly” affordable.

Unless you introduce radical changes to the system, you will always have an unhealthy relationship between economic pressure to sell more pieces, and artistic liberty. Where your artistic liberty ends where your bills begin, and you have to cater to whatever sells (and fast), rather than taking your time to produce great art.

Labelling “AI generated work” won't help either, when the difference in price is 10,000 Euro for the human artist vs. a 10 Euro monthly subscription for the AI.

Which brings me to my last question to everybody who is vocal against machine generated work: Do you get your shirts still handmade by an artisan tailor using original designs, as you should? Or are you going with the mass-produced “good enough” machine-made knock-off designer shirts you find for 5 bucks in your favorite mall?

AI may be a symptom, but it is not the root of the problem.

The issue is that we are living in an economy, where too few people have the kind of money necessary, to have the liberty to properly appreciate high-quality artistic work at the price needed to make it profitable. Whereas, the price that the majority of people are actually willing and able to pay can only generate profit, if the product in question is mass-produced and (at least partially) machine-made. Thus creating pressure to lower the quality while increasing the number of publications.
Post edited September 03, 2024 by Nervensaegen
Nerven there are movies that are mass produced and the artistic work can sell more than enough to make a product, same with some video games.
We get creative music composition out of that by individuals that are paid decently if not well. With AI we will not get talent like John Williams and other types breaking through because game and movie studios just want to pay NOTHING on AI. That nothing is in quotes because the public is paying for it in wasted water cooling this stuff.
The same goes for art through movies and even video games. With movies H.R. Geiger took off even more with Alien and they totally allowed him to do his work. As for video games, let us look at Dragon Quest by Akira Toriyama or Final Fantasy with Yoshitaka Amano.
If games and movies as well as music are labeled AI it will totally help as even IF those don't always perfectly fit their sensibilities it gives them a launch pad to make the kind of money you are suggesting. That being said I saw at least one of the first works that Amano had to do to appeal to the Art crowd and it was AWFUL. You saying industry creating only creatively bankrupt stuff when I look at the character designs of Amano...shakes head. It blows out the water a lot of art in my opinion of the last 40 years easily.