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kaboro: You keep on contradicting yourself, the two notions that you consider opposite, namely 1. "giving in to the mob" and 2. "pro-consumer stance" are actually one and the same thing.
No, a) because the mob wouldn't be harmed if Gog published this game (especially so since the "controversial" joke has already been cut from the game, so even people who genuinely love Xi Jinping can't be offended with good reason), b) whereas it's frustrating for people who really would like to play the game.
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(Content: Clip is from the film "Hot Fuzz", with some swearing)
Post edited December 22, 2020 by GamezRanker
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kaboro: Oh and lest look at your "hey look at us, we're listening to gamers" complaint.
2000 chinese gamers complain, as opposed to 20 western gamers, GOG decides to "listen" to the 2000....i guess thats called.....ummm....whats the name.....oh yes its called democracy, the larger number wins...simple game really.
Prove that's what happened then. Because it didn't. That's just a wild fairytale fabricated by imagination, and with zero relation to reality.

But if it did happen, then let's see the hard concrete proof of it.

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Titanium: Can someone kindly explain the gist of the complaints, or is this some kind of state secret?
It's a "state secret" of GOG alright, and that is so because they know it's an outright flagrant lie.

But if it isn't, then they could easily pubicly post all of the messages they received, and redact any alleged personal information out of them (names, email addresses, etc.). Even though it wouldn't be personal information anyway, because if GOG received such messages, then they were from automated bots posing as fictional characters...but that's okay, GOG can still redact the make-believe personal info anyway.

And there is also no proof that GOG even received any messages in the first place.

If they did, then there's no reason not to let the customers audit & vet & scrutinize those messages (after they've been redacted of potential personal information only, and nothing else edited on them).
Post edited December 22, 2020 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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kaboro: Would like to concentrate on the claims of these angry posters first:
1. GOG removed the game because Chinese players complained and since the Chinese players represent a decent cut of the GOG business, they (GOG) didnt want to lose this customer base, so they removed the game.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Literally nobody believes that "Chinese players complained." The only people making that assertion (and even they don't believe it) are apologists for GOG who are fine & dandy with GOG censoring/banning the game, and they are not angry at all....except for being angry at GOG customers who won't stand for having GOG ban games for censorship reason solely because a foreign political party wants them to.

The second claim in your OP is, conversely, not made by GOG apologists, but rather, by an entirely distinct group, one comprised of bold tellers of truth who don't bend the knee to tyranny and don't want GOG to do so either, who also don't appreciate GOG lying to them by saying "many gamers" told them to ban the game so that's why they did.

So, the reason why your OP has a 'contradiction' in it, is because you are conflating a false argument from GOG apologists, with a true argument from truth tellers who aren't GOG apologists, and who aren't afraid to call GOG out on their evil & nefarious behaviors.

As for the end of your OP calling everyone 'idiots' who tells the truth about this matter, well that makes quite clear which of those two camps you fall into.

Finally, the premise of your OP is incorrect. GOG is going to lose a lot more money by bending the knee to the CCP, and by lying to their customers about it, than they otherwise would have done if they had released the game as they had originally planned to do, before they bowed down to the CCP at the last minute and thus banned it.
Given the fact that i consider you to be one of the most confused posters on these forums, i will take the time to answer you proper, line by line.

You start your post monumentally with a belief stated as fact:
"Nobody believes the Chinese players complained"

Your statement is based on what? you have no facts, and believing or disbelieving in the absence of facts is plain wrong, and you dont even stop there, you go further down the rabbit hole by making this completely baseless statement:
"The only people making that assertion (and even they don't believe it) are apologists for GOG who are fine & dandy with GOG censoring/banning the game".

Seriously dude stop pretending you know who does what and for what reason and present it as fact.

But hey after this point you keep on going along the same algorithm of presenting your own assumptions as facts so i wont even address line by line, because all your lines are one and the same, namely:
You know who the tellers of truth are and you know who the liars are, and their nefarious and evil behaviors and what the false arguments are from the GOG apologists and what the true arguments are from the likes of you.
You also said i call "idiots" all those who tell the truth....this sums up all of the above perfectly, you are one of those people who are convinced they "know the truth", even in the total absence of facts and evidence....nuff said.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: And there is also no proof that GOG even received any messages in the first place.
The fact that you even dare to mention the word "proof" when each and every of your points in this forum are baseless allegations...the irony is overwhelming
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Prove that's what happened then.
brwahahaha you prove any of your crap you stated as fact, me i didnt state this as fact, i just repeated what other players stated as their arguments
Post edited December 22, 2020 by kaboro
A completely unrelated question: So, did Grimoire arrive to GOG in the end or not?
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Carradice: A completely unrelated question: So, did Grimoire arrive to GOG in the end or not?
of course, but you must have lost your way poor soul, from the word game mega threads, do you need me to post you links to said threads?
Want to do my good deed for the day, help an old lady cross the street, help a confused soul find his word game thread...stuff like that
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/why_the_person_above_you_should_be_banned
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/word_association_game
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/make_a_baseless_allegation_about_the_user_who_posted_just_before_you
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/one_word_at_a_time_1
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/just_three_words
Post edited December 22, 2020 by kaboro
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Kaboro don't be an idiot for not recognizing that offended Chinese players don't have to buy the game. Restricting over 7000 players who have voted for the game is also an economic decision.
You fail to understand that the economic decision is based on communist political ideals of censorship which is wrong and unhealthy.
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Jorev: Kaboro don't be an idiot for not recognizing that offended Chinese players don't have to buy the game. Restricting over 7000 players who have voted for the game is also an economic decision.
You fail to understand that the economic decision is based on communist political ideals of censorship which is wrong and unhealthy.
Excelsior!!!
I quoted your post so you cant alter its beauty later, its just...epic.
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Carradice: A completely unrelated question: So, did Grimoire arrive to GOG in the end or not?
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kaboro: of course, but you must have lost your way poor soul, from the word game mega threads, do you need me to post you links to said threads?
Want to do my good deed for the day, help an old lady cross the street, help a confused soul find his word game thread...stuff like that
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/why_the_person_above_you_should_be_banned
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/word_association_game
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/make_a_baseless_allegation_about_the_user_who_posted_just_before_you
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/one_word_at_a_time_1
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/just_three_words
Thank you o wise and benevolent shepherd, for the kind words and the enlightment. With so much ado and bruahaha, it is difficult to keep track of the numerous dramatic events that befall GOG community! Maybe in the future it will be possible to read a grimoire with devotion, and who knows what other developments await.
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Carradice: Maybe in the future it will be possible to read a grimoire with devotion, and who knows what other developments await.
Future......Read....Grimoire.....am i wrong in thinking these are three completely incompatible words?
Nobody hardly ever reads anything today, in the future its bound to be even less.
Grimoire...haha you mean the Kindle grimoire? Because any other kind of grimoire will be burnt to ashes on the altar of progress.
game is popular now because of this and further proves non-stop censorship on the internet. good job commies.
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ANY form of censorship, removal, deletion, cancellation, etc for ANY REASON regardless of political or financial is a crime in my book.

You can make excuses, do mental gymnastics, argue semantics all you want but it still comes down to they refused a game over censorship and nothing else.

And to make matters worse every single time a company publicly does this it just makes the whiners and complainers even more bold, more powerful, and they grow in size. Every single bad thing that is in our society today always starts very small and you won't see it because you're too busy hand waving it away and making excuses for it and apologizing for it.

Censorship is a disgusting crime that gets perpetrated more and more as our society becomes weaker and softer.
Post edited December 22, 2020 by gargus
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homgersimson: game is popular now because of this
Truth, sadly its popular ONLY because of this.

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homgersimson: and further proves non-stop censorship on the internet. good job commies.
Censorship on the internet has been going on for many years, and it is perpetrated mostly by capitalist corporate entities, not by commies, but its nice when you can blame everything on commies, the perfect scapegoats.
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gargus: ANY form of censorship, removal, deletion, cancellation, etc for ANY REASON regardless of political or financial is a crime in my book.

You can make excuses, do mental gymnastics, argue semantics all you want but it still comes down to they refused a game over censorship and nothing else.

And to make matters worse every single time a company publicly does this it just makes the whiners and complainers even more bold, more powerful, and they grow in size. Every single bad thing that is in our society today always starts very small and you won't see it because you're too busy hand waving it away and making excuses for it and apologizing for it.

Censorship is a disgusting crime that gets perpetrated more and more as our society becomes weaker and softer.
You got lost in terms you didnt define properly, and blame it on mental gymnastics...maybe you should try it sometime, will do you good.
There are many forms of censorship, not all deletions and removals are due to censorship.
You say that any censorship, removal or cancellation for ANY REASON is a crime in your book., i say that ignoring the reason for an action and condemning the action without understanding the reasons behind it, is a crime.

You are right about the whiners getting more bold with every success, we have witnessed this plenty in recent years, but right here and now, aren't YOU (and all the similar minded people on these forums) the whiners who are doing the exact same thing you condemn?
Post edited December 22, 2020 by kaboro
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kaboro: 2000 chinese gamers complain, as opposed to 20 western gamers, GOG decides to "listen" to the 2000....i guess thats called.....ummm....whats the name.....oh yes its called democracy, the larger number wins...simple game really.
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GamezRanker: Currently around 8000 people want the game here, as per the wishlist. Even if half of those votes were somehow invalidated, that is still DOUBLE the 2000 number you just stated.

(and I am guessing more people want it here but didn't vote for one reason or another..meaning the number who want it here is likely higher)
Not only is this true, but just look at all the bad press it is getting everywhere (outside China). I've seen videos bashing GOG for it that already have hundreds of thousands of views and good thumbs up ratings. It is just as bad (if not worse) as the Cyberpunk fiasco and it is all adding up.
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GamezRanker: Currently around 8000 people want the game here, as per the wishlist. Even if half of those votes were somehow invalidated, that is still DOUBLE the 2000 number you just stated.

(and I am guessing more people want it here but didn't vote for one reason or another..meaning the number who want it here is likely higher)
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RafaelRamus: Not only is this true, but just look at all the bad press it is getting everywhere (outside China). I've seen videos bashing GOG for it that already have hundreds of thousands of views and good thumbs up ratings. It is just as bad (if not worse) as the Cyberpunk fiasco and it is all adding up.
Yes Mr. Bolsonaro, hundreds of thousands of people thought the earth was flat, that didnt make them right.
Good thing you judge stuff by number of thumbs ups and views....hope for the sake of your country that not all it's citizens are as confused as you are.
Post edited December 22, 2020 by kaboro