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With the recent problems and GOG seemingly unable to restore goodwill, I found this interesting:

https://github.com/Twombs/GOGRepo-GUI

The instructions are here:

https://github.com/Twombs/GOGRepo-GUI/blob/master/Instructions.txt

You can use it to create a backup of your entire GOG library.

I don't think GOG will be able to restore our confidence any time soon or even be able to in the future continue to operate as it has, since this seems largely derived from CD Projekt RED going public in March 2018 and now being led by a board that only holds a ~30% of their stock and whose jobs and positions can be purchased by major economic powers in the market, now more so that they've tanked their stock by taking positions such as these. Even if I was wrong about this, there is certainly turmoil within the company:

https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/12/18/cyberpunk-2077-team-responds-to-cdpr-leadership-following-chaotic-launch
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WeirdoGeek: What could the Chinese government even DO if it got released?
They could simply take a closer look...

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/dec/17/taiwanese-horror-game-pulled-from-sale-again-after-backlash-in-china
Like many PC gaming firms, GOG operates in a grey area in China. The company’s service is available in simplified Chinese, and to users without a VPN. But the Chinese government technically requires games to be licensed for sale in the country – a process strictly controlled by the National Radio and Television Administration and Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
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toxicTom: They could simply take a closer look...

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/dec/17/taiwanese-horror-game-pulled-from-sale-again-after-backlash-in-china

Like many PC gaming firms, GOG operates in a grey area in China. The company’s service is available in simplified Chinese, and to users without a VPN. But the Chinese government technically requires games to be licensed for sale in the country – a process strictly controlled by the National Radio and Television Administration and Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
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toxicTom:
It doesn't help also that apparently Cyberpunk is extremely popular in China, being one of the top streamed game on Youtube / Twitch Chinese equivalent despite not being officially released there. China is also a very strong PC oriented market so definitely something impacting Gog.

The worst/funny thing is that they might not even have "lied" when they said that they received messages from "gamers", it might actually be true, just that those gamers were Chinese gamers. I think they accepted to release Devotion hopping, naively, that it would go under the radar, but then when they started being mail bombed by angry Chinese gamers they backpedaled fearing it would impact Cyberpunk sales or Gog Chinese market as a whole.
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acute71: I do not think the Chinese government has an issue with this game because the game is from Taiwan. The developers released the game with an insult (according to the Chinese) to the Chinese president.

I hope the developers informed GOG about the controversy surrounding this game in the past, otherwise imho they are at least partly to blame.

Fact is - At this moment the game cannot be bought in any of the well known online game stores. GOG should just have released a message that the game would not be available. No reason. Unfortunately GOG is well known for its rather stupid outings on social media in recent years.

I will keep on supporting GOG. If others don't. Fine. That is their choice.
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kohlrak: This is the fundamental issue with a global economy: because china got offended, countries where free speech is an axiomatic right (it's certainly not principled), this is unacceptable. This is a tangible reminder that we done goofed with putting too much trust into too many centralized places. If these businesses were smaller, this would not be an issue.
First getting offended means nothing. There is no reason others not sharing your sensitivities should cater to you.
If GOG had a game incoming that every single one of us hated and screamed about i don't think GOG should EVER reply with "ok we won't put it up then". The correct answer is "ok, don't buy it, no one is forcing you".

Grown adults should be free to decide what they want to play or buy, not protected and shelter like children by services and governments. Authoritarianism is what treats adults like children.

Second, China isn't offended. Their little sensitive dictator is, that believes this little meme decreases his powerful image.
I bet most of the Chinese people could care less.

The truth is that Cyberpunk being a buggy mess or releasing before it was ready is millions of times less important than catering to the sensitivities of a dictator that abuses his people. And now this actions help him abuse even people in other countries by forcing us to not be able to play or buy something we may be interested.
GoG and all the other stores are basically helping him censor people other than his own. It is a tragedy that he censors and controls his people like that but it is even more ridiculous that he is getting empowered to do so to people from other nations.

Long story short, Cyberpunk bad release should damage CDPR image a lot less than this move and it is sad that more fuss is being made about a buggy game or bad game than actually helping authoritarian regimes and practices. Every person should be screaming about GOG and Steam and Epic and consoles etc not hosting this game dozens of times more than their Cyberpunk copy giving them a blue screen.

I can easily forgive CDPR over a bad game. It is a lot harder to forgive support of authoritarians ways though when that is literally the plague that tortures humanity since ever.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by SumofOne
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SumofOne: I can easily forgive CDPR over a bad game. It is a long harder to forgive support of authoritarians ways though when that is literally the plague that torches humanity since ever.
Yoy mean like all companies who do business in/with China?

Even Governments. Only 15 states/countries worldwide have recognized Taiwan and have formal diplomatic relations with it. The rest of the world (and that includes USA, UK, Germany and unfortunately also The Netherlands) does not.

But still we expect GOG to jeopardize its future over a game which might have sold a couple of thousand copies? As if they already not have enough sh*t to deal with.
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SumofOne: I can easily forgive CDPR over a bad game. It is a long harder to forgive support of authoritarians ways though when that is literally the plague that torches humanity since ever.
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acute71: Yoy mean like all companies who do business in/with China?

Even Governments. Only 15 states/countries worldwide have recognized Taiwan and have formal diplomatic relations with it. The rest of the world (and that includes USA, UK, Germany and unfortunately also The Netherlands) does not.

But still we expect GOG to jeopardize its future over a game which might have sold a couple of thousand copies? As if they already not have enough sh*t to deal with.
It is pointless to try to say "what about this and what about that", yes many things exists with different reasoning and consequences and we excuse or not each based on context, it doesn't mean we are fine with everything else.
Right now we are talking about helping an authoritarian censor other people outside his country and am not blaming just GOG, the other stores are doing it too. I am just more disappointed from GOG because we had more hope for them.

Saying they jeopardize their future though it sure is a lot of bull. China isn't all there is. You can do business without them just fine and be profitable as well. All the big profits they made with the Witcher series was it because of China?
Even all the sales here in GOG? Are they mostly from Chinese? I seriously doubt that.
If all this business avoided China, their influence will be even less as well and even less possibility for them to damage your bottom line.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by SumofOne
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SumofOne: Saying they jeopardize their future though it sure is a lot of bull though. China isn't all there is. You can do business without them just fine and be profitable as well. All the big profits they made with the Witcher series was it because of China?
Even all the sales here in GOG? Are they mostly from Chinese? I seriously doubt that.
If all this business avoided China, their influence will be even less as well and even less possibility for them to damage your bottom line.
I was not only referring to lost business in China for them. It might make them vulnerable to online attacks as well. Ddos, hacks, etc.
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If the game was pulled for the reason people say then it's set a really awful precedent for the site. In hindsight, the developer should have let GOG list the game without notice. At least then people would have had chance to buy it before the storm hit.

I do hope GOG reverses their decision. They could use some goodwill right now.
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SuperLibby72: So we are only outraged over china when they affect us or take away the games? Not the fact we probably support a government putting people in real concentration camps?
Why not both? I'm outraged about treatment of Uyghurs, what they did in Hong Kong, that they said they will invade Taiwan eventually if Taiwan won't unify with them peacefully and many other things.

GOG can't do anything about those things, so obviously I won't be posting about it on GOG forums. On other hand GOG can stop removing games based on China's whim. Yet, they decided that Chinese customers pay them enough, to help China to censor the world.
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SumofOne: Saying they jeopardize their future though it sure is a lot of bull though. China isn't all there is. You can do business without them just fine and be profitable as well. All the big profits they made with the Witcher series was it because of China?
Even all the sales here in GOG? Are they mostly from Chinese? I seriously doubt that.
If all this business avoided China, their influence will be even less as well and even less possibility for them to damage your bottom line.
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acute71: I was not only referring to lost business in China for them. It might make them vulnerable to online attacks as well. Ddos, hacks, etc.
Great , even worse, just consenting to bullies basically.
But i do wonder. Will they have done the same if North Korea or some small country threatened to hack them?
They would if it was about that and not the possibility of being scared not making money from a big market like China.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by SumofOne
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kohlrak: This is the fundamental issue with a global economy: because china got offended, countries where free speech is an axiomatic right (it's certainly not principled), this is unacceptable. This is a tangible reminder that we done goofed with putting too much trust into too many centralized places. If these businesses were smaller, this would not be an issue.
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SumofOne: First getting offended means nothing. There is no reason others not sharing your sensitivities should cater to you.
If GOG had a game incoming that every single one of us hated and screamed about i don't think GOG should EVER reply with "ok we won't put it up then". The correct answer is "ok, don't buy it, no one is forcing you".

Grown adults should be free to decide what they want to play or buy, not protected and shelter like children by services and governments. Authoritarianism is what treats adults like children.

Second, China isn't offended. Their little sensitive dictator is, that believes this little meme decreases his powerful image.
I bet most of the Chinese people could care less.

The truth is that Cyberpunk being a buggy mess or releasing before it was ready is millions of times less important than catering to the sensitivities of a dictator that abuses his people. And now this actions help him abuse even people in other countries by forcing us to not be able to play or buy something we may be interested.
GoG and all the other stores are basically helping him censor people other than his own. It is a tragedy that he censors and controls his people like that but it is even more ridiculous that he is getting empowered to do so to people from other nations.

Long story short, Cyberpunk bad release should damage CDPR image a lot less than this move and it is sad that more fuss is being made about a buggy game or bad game than actually helping authoritarian regimes and practices. Every person should be screaming about GOG and Steam and Epic and consoles etc not hosting this game dozens of times more than their Cyberpunk copy giving them a blue screen.

I can easily forgive CDPR over a bad game. It is a long harder to forgive support of authoritarians ways though when that is literally the plague that torches humanity since ever.
I'm going to take a really unpopular stance, here, based on my experience with dealing with people from mainland china: they are responsible for their government, just in the same way you or I are responsible for ours. While I know it's not every chinese person, it is enough to be the majority. If enough people band together, no government can control the populace. Look at the George Floyd riots in the US, and all the people flouting mask rules. Let's face it, the handling of coronavirus itself in the US was an attempt at authority figures to feel good after the 2016 election was all about giving the middle-finger to authority. The authority figures clearly showed they don't actually care how SARS-CoV-2 affects us (Remember, closing the border is racist, 'cause there's no evidence of human to human transmission, according to the World Health Organization; masking is pointless, so you shouldn't be buying masks, according to US officials; etc. My personal favorite is the Pennsylvania Department of Health stating that employers are permitted to require that workers return to work both positive and symptomatic), so why would anyone follow the rules when they don't have a clue what is and isn't true about the thing. Meanwhile, I've been keeping close tabs on my girlfriend since wednesday, because she actually has the thing, and her case is constantly getting worse. Now we know these authoritarian fucks care about their power, but notice they aren't bothering to enforce it? It's because they can't, even after what they got away with in this last election, despite video evidence (i'll admit i don't know what extent the fraud was, but they're getting away with claiming there was none despite video proof of actual election violations). I'm ready to blame the chinese citizenry as a whole, even for their plight.

It's not like they're so afraid that they can't do anything. The quarantine blockade bustings are actually happening, here and there, in mainland china. Surprise, people are willing to fight for something, even old women, once you have nothing to threaten them with anymore ('cause they otherwise starve ot death or whatever each individual case is for the individiuals in the bustings). At the end of the day, it's just like any western country: it's not bad enough for enough people to break their apathy and raise a stink. The CCP knows it lacks the capacity to deal with a mass uprising, which is why it always cracks down on what it can and always tries to focus so much on it's image. I mean, common, how much do you think anyone really cares about Winnie the Pooh, there? It's not even about the offense, it's about their lack of power to do much about it. Imagine if even 10% of beijing learned the theme song and had a nice little get-together to sing it. They wouldn't be able to do much of anything, and it would be so ridiculously damaging to the CCP that there'd be massive infighting and scrambling to protect individual images that the dog-eat-dog mentality would be visible for years to come.
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Nible1: Look, I just don't get why I can't buy games from a Taiwanese company just because China is annoyed!!
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acute71: I do not think the Chinese government has an issue with this game because the game is from Taiwan.
You're wrong. In fact much of the campaign against the game in China was based on the (unsubstantiated) claims that it "tricks the Chinese into supporting Taiwan independence."

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acute71: The developers released the game with an insult (according to the Chinese) to the Chinese president.
The said "insult" (side note: I think many Western politicians would love to be insulted by being compared to adorable characters like Winnie-the-Pooh) was removed from the game, and the developers apologized. That was over a year ago. If there were ever any grounds to complain, there definitely have been none for quite a while now.

By the way, he's officially the "Paramount Leader." Careful or you mind end up insulting him too by comparing him to a mere president, whose powers are constrained by constitution, terms are limited and who would have to inconvenience himself by standing for elections. None of these apply here.
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Turbo-Beaver: By the way, he's officially the "Paramount Leader."
Jim Gianopulos is the Paramount leader, though. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gianopulos
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acute71: I do not think the Chinese government has an issue with this game because the game is from Taiwan.
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Turbo-Beaver: You're wrong. In fact much of the campaign against the game in China was based on the (unsubstantiated) claims that it "tricks the Chinese into supporting Taiwan independence."

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acute71: The developers released the game with an insult (according to the Chinese) to the Chinese president.
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Turbo-Beaver: The said "insult" (side note: I think many Western politicians would love to be insulted by being compared to adorable characters like Winnie-the-Pooh) was removed from the game, and the developers apologized. That was over a year ago. If there were ever any grounds to complain, there definitely have been none for quite a while now.

By the way, he's officially the "Paramount Leader." Careful or you mind end up insulting him too by comparing him to a mere president, whose powers are constrained by constitution, terms are limited and who would have to inconvenience himself by standing for elections. None of these apply here.
Ah, yes, and coronavirus doesn't spread from person to person, but totally comes from consumption of bat soup, so there's nothing for americans to worry about. This should be more enraging than a game, because our governments and social media overlords ran with this.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by kohlrak
sooo do we have a decision yet, regarding bringing the game back?
No? Yes?