Just the usual:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FB9GYkIT3E

Don't think we will get any further news,

Just like ASUS not going to tell anyone why they stopped collaborating with Japanese Vtubers.

How spineless are these companies... and one of them is from my own freaking country.

Have to admit i'm still a bit confused regarding the ManyGamers.
Somehow all i was reading from ManyGamers these last days was this? So not sure if bending over to ManyGamers might be the best approach? Call me confused :P. And ya 95% of these many gamers are 1 game accounts
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/a_refund_request_1
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_want_refund_to_my_gog_pocket
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/refund_problem
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cyberpunk_refund_is_too_slow
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/id_like_a_refund2077
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cyberpunk_2077_refund
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/refund_11
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/if_the_staff_of_gog_platform_see_it_please_reply_to_the_order8bc815910285
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cyberpunk2077_refund_to_original_payment_method_2
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cyberpunk2077_refund_to_original_payment_method
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_need_a_refund_on_cyberpunk_2077_my_computer_cant_run_the_game_im_dizzy
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/customer_service_of_gog_please_refund_me
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/no_customer_service_response_for_gog_refundthis_order_8bc815910285
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cyberpunk_refund
https://www.gog.com/forum/cyberpunk_2077/i_didnt_install_the_game_but_i_cant_refund_so_far

And this aint even from the ManyGamers Subforum - there is a lot more :thinking: . But ManyGamers must be right i guess

Bring it back GOG!

https://web.archive.org/web/20201216104008/gog.com/game/devotion

Nearly 7,500 votes now. If half of these people bought the game (which I think is likely) priced at $17/€14 (the announced price), that's $63,750/€52,500 in sales, of which GOG takes a 30% cut, so $19,125/€15,750 in lost revenue for GOG so far (excluding taxes but still).

Oh, they lied alright!

They probably received very few, if any messages.

And if they did receive message, then they were from bot accounts controlled by agents of the Chinese government, and definitely not from "gamers," as GOG flagrantly lies about.

And in any case, why is GOG hiding the supposed messages?

GOG should publicly disclose all the alleged messages that they got so that we, the real customers, can audit & vet & scrutinize them. GOG can simply redact the 'personal' information that may be in them (even though they are from bots/fictional characters, not people, so therefore, there can be no actual personal information in them anyway), and put the rest of the content up on the internet unedited.

Besides, in any case, so what if GOG did receive messages from "many gamers" telling them not to release the game? Since when do customers get to dictate to GOG what they shall or shall not release? Answer: never...until now (and even now, that's only because GOG made up a fake story to pretend they suddenly started banning games due to customer feedback, as a cover story for the real truth --- which is that they bent the knee at the last minute, and censored the game solely out of fear that they do not potentially offend the Chinese government).

There's a really interesting find you have there. I clicked afew but did not notice any mention of devotion in the ones i clicked. You might be onto something there, but how exactly might they extrapolate devotion from that?
Remember Opus Magnum? It does happen, but since when has it ever been this fast of a response?

And notice this didn't somehow offend more people than a game that had a winnie the pooh joke removed?


EDIT: Somehow posted the wrong link.

That depends on for how long we the customers, and also games journalists, keep the pressure on GOG regarding this matter.

The management at GOG is probably hoping this disaster will "blow over" a few weeks, and so their current strategy is just to "wait it out."

But if we never allow it to blow over, then that strategy isn't going to work.

Similarly, if games journalists keep writing articles with headlines like: "GOG ducks questions about why they banned Devotion," then eventually GOG management is going to become tired of having GOG/CDPR's name dragged through mud, and thus they will become compelled to provide real answers, even though they do not want to.

Speaking of which, a bunch of us should email Jason Schreier and ask him politely if he will please use his insider sources at CDPR/GOG to tell the public the real nitty gritty details of why GOG banned Devotion. He has the power to get answers, should he choose to investigate the matter.

A Hero? A hero saved the country in his diary?

Normally i don't like that crowd of journalists, but it oddly seems like they're ready to go into this story. I'm not sure if they really want to go down that path, though. However, if they do, they'll have my support on this issue, and they'll find themselves with allies they never thought they had.

His point is that 99.9% of Chinese "gamers" (and actual GOG customers) on this forum are asking for their CP2077 refunds to be processed, so if GOG really cared about "many messages from gamers" they should sort that out first.

He's also right that there are even more such messages in the Chinese general forum: https://www.gog.com/forum/general_zh

That was mostly about assessing the ManyGamers as GOGs most loyal customer base as we have a lot of 1 game accounts instant refunding Cyberpunk.
Most of the Refunds were assigned b4 supposed ManyGamers complained on the redacted game.

Oh, i tried to read too much into it. Interestingly enogh, wouldn't that mean that catering to the chinese market for 2077 ends up being a bad decision if so many chinese end up getting refunds regardless?
Oh, i was right after all. Still, i'm not seeing how GOG could make the connection, even if we could.

I would say since those customers represent the biggest and fastest growing PC game market in the world, and that Gog is available there, without VPN, unofficially. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those games, if they exists, were actually not bot or even nationalist, but simply Chinese game afraid that Gog could be blocked if they release this game.

Don't get me wrong I still think the way they handled the whole Devotion debacle to be incredibly bad, but from a cynical business point of view I can understand why they don't want to draw the CCP attention on themselves.

If the messages from "many gamers" do exist, they're not on social media. (not Western social media anyway..) I doubt "many gamers" would contact CDPR privately.

My best guess is that if these messages exist, they would exist as reviews for CDPR games, as review bombing is the only way they know to communicate. So I tried to look at https://steamcommunity.com/app/1091500/negativereviews/?browsefilter=mostrecent&snr=1_5_100010_&p=1&filterLanguage=schinese (and equivalent pages for Witcher 3 and GWENT) but on this page I can't select a date range. And with infinite scroll it will take forever (and probably crash my computer?) to get to the December 16 reviews, the date they supposedly received these messages. Though even if I did, I expect any threats addressed to CDPR or Red Candle Games to have been deleted by now.

If someone else has a way of collecting all reviews (including positive as threats may have been disguised as positive reviews) from December 16 for CDPR games, please share.

Didnt read the thread but according to Google search this hasnt been posted yet:

The GOG game page for 'Devotion' is still available on Google:
Edit: Need to copy/paste URL as forum makes the click not work.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hwjGBpvEjbwJ:https://www.gog.com/game/devotion

The GOG trailer is still available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDExmk79eok&feature=youtu.be
And it only has 1,823 views and 2 comments.
(The 2 comments are "I can't wait to get it" and "Me neither ". So those 'many gamers' didnt seem to post there.)

On GOG.com the images from the game page (see link) are also still there.