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EndreWhiteMane: That's us, the Conversationalists. Kinda like the expendables only a lot more talkative. :-)
In a bit of pain today but otherwise OK, hope your day is going well.
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ElTerprise: So we defeat the baddies by talking them to death? Like Kirk does with computers?

Sorry to hear about your but at least you're ok otherwise. I'm doing good :)
What do you think about today's additions to the catalogue?
Yep.
http://cdn.omg-facts.com/2013/4/2/89a556852bab5faedf5384af8ce240de.jpg

The new additions really aren't my cup of tea but they look pretty good.
hi
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JordiTM: hi
Hello there. ;)
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ddickinson: Do you mean the EU might fail whether we stay or not? I tend to agree on that point. What do you mean not going anywhere? We cut away all the land and made ourselves and island just to get away from you all. You are all too mean over there. :-)

Not really, it is not like we didn't bomb Germany in return. :-)
Yes. That's exactly what i expect to happen sooner or later. Which is a shame because i'm in favour of the European Unification but to be honest the current EU has turned away from the original goal - might be better to scrap it and start again ...

Fair enough :)
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EndreWhiteMane: Yep.
http://cdn.omg-facts.com/2013/4/2/89a556852bab5faedf5384af8ce240de.jpg

The new additions really aren't my cup of tea but they look pretty good.
That's great :D

Ah i see. Well i'm not sure about the TD game but i was waiting for Factorio (and will wait a little longer until it's out of InDev) :)
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JordiTM: hi
Greetings :)
Post edited June 16, 2016 by ElTerprise
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ElTerprise: Yes. That's exactly what i expect to happen sooner or later. Which is a shame because i'm in favour of the European Unification but to be honest the current EU has turned away from the original goal - might be better to scrap it and start again ...

Fair enough :)
I can't say I am in favour or more unification in Europe. Germany has done enough damage already (sorry, I mean no offence to Germans as a people, just their politicians, your "Mummy" figure, for example), the last thing we need is to do is remove more freedom from the people of Europe and give the corrupt powers more power over people. The EU should have stuck to free trade, not laws and power. The EU seems completely unwilling to make changes for the better, they instead just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves, all in the name of making rich people and corporations richer, all at the expense of the actual people of the EU.
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ddickinson: I can't say I am in favour or more unification in Europe. Germany has done enough damage already (sorry, I mean no offence to Germans as a people, just their politicians, your "Mummy" figure, for example), the last thing we need is to do is remove more freedom from the people of Europe and give the corrupt powers more power over people. The EU should have stuck to free trade, not laws and power. The EU seems completely unwilling to make changes for the better, they instead just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves, all in the name of making rich people and corporations richer, all at the expense of the actual people of the EU.
Totally agree with you about the damage done by our politicians - not only "Mutti" but also the wheeled one....
Under the current circumstances i'm against a deeper unification but as a general idea - a true democratic unified Europe (whether as a Federation or a Confederation) is worth striving for - but that won't be possible in the current state of affairs in the European Union. Such an integration is a slow process which should with a unified economic area and in a second step with harmonising taxes and lawas. For example the Euro was implemented way too early. It was obvious that it would only be beneficial for the strong economies within the Eurozone....and especially for Germany....

Call me idealistic but i still want a democratic unified Europe - but that seems unlikely in a time most democracies don't deserve its name anymore....
Edit: And the European Union was never democratic to begin with....the parliament doesn't have much power and the true power is not even legitimised....
Post edited June 16, 2016 by ElTerprise
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ElTerprise: Totally agree with you about the damage done by our politicians - not only "Mutti" but also the wheeled one....
Under the current circumstances i'm against a deeper unification but as a general idea - a true democratic unified Europe (whether as a Federation or a Confederation) is worth striving for - but that won't be possible in the current state of affairs in the European Union. Such an integration is a slow process which should with a unified economic area and in a second step with harmonising taxes and lawas. For example the Euro was implemented way too early. It was obvious that it would only be beneficial for the strong economies within the Eurozone....and especially for Germany....

Call me idealistic but i still want a democratic unified Europe - but that seems unlikely in a time most democracies don't deserve its name anymore....
Edit: And the European Union was never democratic to begin with....the parliament doesn't have much power and the true power is not even legitimised....
I still am not too keen on such unification. Europe is not America, we are not states of the same nation, we are all separate nations with our own histories. I don't want to be the United States of Europe. I also don't think this system of us having to give so much to the EU and getting so little in return is beneficial. It might be to the poorer nations, but not to others. When the UK joined the EU there were about 9 members, now there are about 28. The EU stopped being a good thing a long time ago. Now it is pretty much just rich and corrupt people dong what they can to be richer, regardless of the people or the stability of the EU. I have still not forgotten when Germany and the EU talked about doing away with national flags and anthems in the EU. Why would a unified EU require the removal of our national identities? The EU should stick to trade, not law, as many of the laws passed by the EU are terrible, made to cover everyone, but the fact is everyone is not the same. Some of us have laws in place that are better, and we have had them for a lot longer than the EU has been around. The EU can't keep treating everyone the same in such ways. Laws that might work for some members won't work for others, and until the EU realises that some considerations need to be considered, it will just get worse.

I know that Germany and her friends benefit from the EU, but England maybe not as much. In fact many agree we are much worse off in the EU, hence why we want to leave. It seems our wanting to be our own people and have sovereignty over ourselves has cost us the pleasure of being with the EU "in" crowd with Germany. We are one of the largest contributors, yet realistically we get no real input. Germany has too tight a grip of everyone, the other nations fear crossing Germany in case Germany punished them. So they follow blindly, whether it is good or not. Like with the election of the EU president, despite that there is a growing anti-EU sentiment in the EU and more and more right winged parties gaining power. What is strange is that even the German people suffer. You would think Germany would at least look after their own with all their unbalanced power. Germany only just started having a minimum wages, and I believe same sex marriage is still not allowed in Germany?

I don't think your united Europe would work. The nations are just too different in many ways, financially, politically, etc. The EU would probably be best served as a more light handed organisation, one that oversees free trade and key legal issues, not the power they have at the moment, power that can easily be corrupted. At least if the power was light and limited no one could do what Germany has to the EU. And I don't mean to pick on Germany, I am not saying other nations would not get corrupted given the power (humans by their very nature are often greedy and corrupt), but at the moment it seems the actions of Germany (again, her politicians, not her people) for a long time now have been geared at protecting herself at the expense of other members, and at making the rich even more rich. Because welcome to the world of capitalism, where no amount of wealth is ever enough for some people.

Anyway, sorry, I did not mean to get the thread all political.

Oh, and since you asked: You are idealistic. :-)
I know many of you have seen it, but just in case any of you don't venture out into the forum much:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_guess_its_time/page1
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ddickinson:
Sucks, but thanks for pointing that out - had missed it.
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Ixamyakxim: Sucks, but thanks for pointing that out - had missed it.
It does indeed. Very sad news. I understand, but still. Very sad to see him go.

You are welcome, I figured some might miss it mixed in with the other threads, so I thought I would share it just in case.
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ddickinson: (...)
Don't forget the shared history and possibly identity though. It's not like there weren't such supranational entities in Europe in the past.
But i don't see it being possible within today's European Union. It's pretty much a dead horse which reflects rising inequality in international and national and even sub-national societies by failing to fight it whether by lack of interest or lack of vision. I fail to see anyone in European politics who see's the potential of Unified Europe (as i said either Federation or Confederation...even Europe of Regions could be an idea - personally my favourite because it would favour cross-border region which share history / identity etc... ).
But that woulb probably easier to achieve in Continental Europe than in the whole of Europe.

Well your examples show that the EU cannot work - i mean forcing people into poverty for apparent stability or reformatory reasons is the de facto last coffin nail for a European Union that envisioned similar standards of living within its borders.
That was an admirable and social goal which should've been a first before even thinking of tieing the member states closer together.
Nowadays the EU is nothing more than an instrument of big economic intrests and especially German economic intrests (no doubt about that - i mean that's why Germany is not really striving for kicking anyone anyone out of the Eurozone...trade and especially profits would not be as easy (and high when it comes to profits) as before).

I disagree - i think it's possible but it needs time and there was a chance for it before the EU went the wrong way. It needs a proper way of doing it without that nonsense you mentioned and most importantly it has to be grounded on the people of Europe and not in the interest of some obscure elites which means it's not possible by means of the EU in it's deluded way...

It's not just capitalism but rather late (i.e. basically unrestrained) capitalism which will end in a world wide crash eventually....

Agreed. We should leave it at that.


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ddickinson: I know many of you have seen it, but just in case any of you don't venture out into the forum much:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_guess_its_time/page1
Yes i've seen it - really sad about it :/
Post edited June 16, 2016 by ElTerprise
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ElTerprise: ...
And how did those supranational entities work out? World Wars and conquest for the most part.

I think the sad truth is that many of the goals the EU claims to be aiming for are just not possible. This is not Star Trek, if you will, we are not some enlightened race where we all get along and know no greed. We are just the same as we have always been, humans don't change, we just change the methods we use to gain power and to hurt people. Where ever there is money and power there will be greed. And therein lies the problem. Remove the power and the ability to control the money, and you limit the chance of corruption. That is why I think the EU as a dominant thing would not work. Give a few people that much power and it will be corrupted. If, however, you kept the power limited and trusted the nations to talk to each other, in a democratic way, you limit for the most part that nations power to itself only, not having control over so many others.

What would you say to an EU of zones, say North West Europe, Mediterranean Europe, Central Europe, Eastern Europe, etc? One that would oversee those regions based on a per region basis, so that laws passed for one would not effect the other unless they wanted to implement it themselves? Of course vital ones would be across the board, but a regional system would allow a more customised approach that would better suit the individual members of those different zones. But even then I don't think it would work. As I said above, money and power will always corrupt people, and the greater the wealth and the power the more dangerous it is to everyone else.

Edit: And sorry, I will stop talking about it now, promise. :-)
Post edited June 16, 2016 by ddickinson
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ddickinson: I know many of you have seen it, but just in case any of you don't venture out into the forum much:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_guess_its_time/page1
It makes no sense to abandon one's good and caring friends just because you no longer approve of the neighborhood they live in.
Posts like the above just confuse me.
Good morning everyone. I hope you are all well, and taking good care of yourselves.

The long days of summer are upon us, and the heat is getting turned up slowly
as we get closer to the longest day of the year.

All is well here for me, thankfully. :)

<big waves and silly hugs for everyone>
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EndreWhiteMane: It makes no sense to abandon one's good and caring friends just because you no longer approve of the neighborhood they live in.
Posts like the above just confuse me.
I understand what you are saying. A few people have made similar announcements. Maybe they just want a clean break from things, or they have other ways to stay in touch with their friends (email, Steam, etc). But I wouldn't know the reasons, I guess they have their reasons and to them it makes sense.

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GhostwriterDoF: Good morning everyone. I hope you are all well, and taking good care of yourselves.

The long days of summer are upon us, and the heat is getting turned up slowly
as we get closer to the longest day of the year.

All is well here for me, thankfully. :)

<big waves and silly hugs for everyone>
Good morning. It is nice to hear you are doing well.

How is the summer weather going for you in your part of the US?
Post edited June 16, 2016 by ddickinson