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Posted January 08, 2020
An old-school RPG will arrive on GOG.COM on 15th January 2020. Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls from XSEED Games revitalizes the time-honored formula of the original dungeon crawler series and adds modernized visuals and sound to the mix.
Posted January 08, 2020
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dgnfly: .
Sorry if I offended you.
Post edited January 08, 2020 by paladin181
Posted January 08, 2020
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Machinators: Ahh... remember when GOG said this, AN OLD WIZARDRY GAME, said it was "too niche" to release on their store?
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firstpastthepost: They never said that.
Not about this specifically, and they rarely publicly announce why they decline certain games (many developers/publishers don't even seem to get a reason for when they games are rejected), but there have definitely been examples of dungeon crawlers of this style being rejected with the justification of being "too niche", Aeon of Sands being an example in 2018 as well as The Quest in 2016 (also the 6DOF shooter NeonXSZ the same year), and apparently that was also the justification for rejecting Grimoire previously, which they thankfully changed their minds about last month.
Posted January 08, 2020
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dgnfly: snip
I'm not the one calling GoG curation stupid because they reject obviously marginal games.
What I've pointed out time and again is how flawed many of these rejected titles are and the legitimate reasons a curator might reject them.

I respect GoG decisions because it is their business and I think back-seat drivers who can't find a rejected game they dislike have serious issues with objectivity.

Accepting this game certainly was NOT a no-brainer.

PROS:
1) Famed franchise Wizardry.
2) Publisher already in your catalog XSEED.
3) Strong Wishlist vote count.

CONS:
1) Disdain from the old school Wizardry community over Acquire and Japan's re-imagining.
2) Poor review scores and lack of interest in the PS3 version of this game at the time of its release.
3) Similar poor reviews of the iOS version for mobile.

The fact you can't understand that Grimoire IS a niche title says a lot about you...
The game was out for over 2 years and it's sales have been poor. The reviews for the game have been terrible. And since Cleve chose not to day 1 release on GoG, 1st day sales were not an option. And that is not going into the trainwreck of Cleve's attacks on his customers.

If you can't understand why GoG might reject these games, then you aren't thinking at all.

Your complaints are silly. And you aren't just voicing your opinion, you are being obnoxious about it. How many times are you "not buying games here anymore"? A dozen? Every time someone finds a game was rejected, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, no matter how weak the title, you act as if GoG is stupid. Just about every release thread, you muddy it up complaining about the games that GoG does accept.

And let's be clear. I've been pointing out the valid reasons GoG may have rejected these games. I've also stated that I would have accepted Grimoire if it were a day 1 release here, assuming it wasn't a buggy mess. That I would have accepted this title here because it would be a day 1 release, assuming the same. I would have accept Hatred on release because it was bound to sell a lot of copies just from notariety.

But I can understand why GoG might reject these games even if I would have chosen differently. Which seems to be something you are incapable of understanding.
Post edited January 08, 2020 by RWarehall
Posted January 08, 2020
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GOG.com: An old-school RPG will arrive on GOG.COM on 15th January 2020. Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls from XSEED Games revitalizes the time-honored formula of the original dungeon crawler series and adds modernized visuals and sound to the mix.
Thank you for re-considering this one! I hope you are able to make some profit off this.

Maybe as time goes on you can let devs have more and more control over releases, if you're really worried about "gambling" on releases that might not make a big profit. For sure releases should be relatively bug-free, competently made (and price shouldn't be outlandish), but it'd be nice if GOG didn't have to reject "niche" titles.

Also hope to see more previously-rejected titles show up - Hatred, Mushihimesama, Consuming Shadow, Agony, Lost In Vivo, etc.
Post edited January 09, 2020 by tfishell
Posted January 08, 2020
I have not followed the japanese Wizardry games. Is this actually a new release, or something that is already out somewhere else?
The reason i ask is, that i think the game looks actually quite good. But, at least on the surface, i would compare this to Elminage Gothic. And i have heard too much bad things about Elminage to want to play that. The difficulity is not my biggest problem (although stuff like permanent death and stat dran and such stuff is annoying), but rather the general tedium of stuff like inventory management and other stuff like that.

So, how unneccessary oldschool is this? Not to say that i do not like oldschool, but not at the cost of modern game convienience.
Posted January 08, 2020
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firstpastthepost: They never said that.
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fisk0: Not about this specifically, and they rarely publicly announce why they decline certain games (many developers/publishers don't even seem to get a reason for when they games are rejected), but there have definitely been examples of dungeon crawlers of this style being rejected with the justification of being "too niche", Aeon of Sands being an example in 2018 as well as The Quest in 2016 (also the 6DOF shooter NeonXSZ the same year), and apparently that was also the justification for rejecting Grimoire previously, which they thankfully changed their minds about last month.
And what do you think "too niche" means? Doesn't appeal to enough different people?

Aeon of Sands - The Trail
Released: 4-Dec-2018
Reviews: 50

The Quest
Released: 19-Feb-2016
Reviews: 288

NeonXSZ
Released: 22-Feb-2016
Reviews: 75

I would say the numbers prove GoG correct in their assessment...there just isn't that much interest in any of these games.
Posted January 08, 2020
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Ranayna: I have not followed the japanese Wizardry games. Is this actually a new release, or something that is already out somewhere else?
The reason i ask is, that i think the game looks actually quite good. But, at least on the surface, i would compare this to Elminage Gothic. And i have heard too much bad things about Elminage to want to play that. The difficulity is not my biggest problem (although stuff like permanent death and stat dran and such stuff is annoying), but rather the general tedium of stuff like inventory management and other stuff like that.

So, how unneccessary oldschool is this? Not to say that i do not like oldschool, but not at the cost of modern game convienience.
This is a remaster of a game from the PS3 which debuted in Japan in 2009 and was released in North America in 2011. In 2011 it was also released on iOS worldwide and Vita in 2015 in Japan.
You can check sites like Metacritic or even Wikipedia to see some of the complaints about the original game.

Review scores for the PS3 game ranged from 4/10 to 7.5/10 or the equivalent.

Remasters come in many shapes and sizes. Some just add HD graphics and widescreen support and call it a day; some do much more. We will have to see what form this one takes. But I believe there was a mention of a "Turbo mode" that may address complaints about grindiness.
Posted January 08, 2020
This looks like Wizardry the way a kumquat looks like a tennis shoe.
Posted January 08, 2020
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dgnfly: snip
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RWarehall: I'm not the one calling GoG curation stupid because they reject obviously marginal games.
What I've pointed out time and again is how flawed many of these rejected titles are and the legitimate reasons a curator might reject them.

I respect GoG decisions because it is their business and I think back-seat drivers who can't find a rejected game they dislike have serious issues with objectivity.

Accepting this game certainly was NOT a no-brainer.

PROS:
1) Famed franchise Wizardry.
2) Publisher already in your catalog XSEED.
3) Strong Wishlist vote count.

CONS:
1) Disdain from the old school Wizardry community over Acquire and Japan's re-imagining.
2) Poor review scores and lack of interest in the PS3 version of this game at the time of its release.
3) Similar poor reviews of the iOS version for mobile.

The fact you can't understand that Grimoire IS a niche title says a lot about you...
The game was out for over 2 years and it's sales have been poor. The reviews for the game have been terrible. And since Cleve chose not to day 1 release on GoG, 1st day sales were not an option. And that is not going into the trainwreck of Cleve's attacks on his customers.

If you can't understand why GoG might reject these games, then you aren't thinking at all.

Your complaints are silly. And you aren't just voicing your opinion, you are being obnoxious about it. How many times are you "not buying games here anymore"? A dozen? Every time someone finds a game was rejected, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, no matter how weak the title, you act as if GoG is stupid. Just about every release thread, you muddy it up complaining about the games that GoG does accept.

And let's be clear. I've been pointing out the valid reasons GoG may have rejected these games. I've also stated that I would have accepted Grimoire if it were a day 1 release here, assuming it wasn't a buggy mess. That I would have accepted this title here because it would be a day 1 release, assuming the same. I would have accept Hatred on release because it was bound to sell a lot of copies just from notariety.

But I can understand why GoG might reject these games even if I would have chosen differently. Which seems to be something you are incapable of understanding.
So you hound and complain in threads discussing their decision and whine and complain to anybody who thinks otherwise. Maybe in communist Russia, we follow the party line but we still live in a world with free speech and expression and if my opinion of GOG triggers you, too bad.
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dgnfly: .
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paladin181: Sorry if I offended you.
Sorry? but I'm not offended, so too bad for you. I'm just calling out your bullshit. You seem the one triggered enough to complain back in the first place since I was just calling out bullshit on Rwarehall explanation. I know you commies support one another when it comes to not getting games released here cause you think GOG is your personal curated store.

As I said, if you wanna help their business than how about you buy some more games? since the one calling for more games and choice is actually buying em while the one who wants less seems to be lagging behind.
Post edited January 08, 2020 by dgnfly
Posted January 08, 2020
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amok: Hatred could have been good, the engine is interesting, but the game is fundamentally broken. It is very repetitive, and there is no progression. Vehicles are a joke, and there are many bugs, even game braking bugs, which have never been patched. The major flaw, even though it is strange due to the subject, it is boring to play. the grey color scheme grates after level 1, and everything becomes samy, everything the game has to offer is seen in level 1.

Agony, as well, is quite buggy, and while it looks nice it is not fun to play.

It is better and more fun to play Postal 1 or Splatter - Blood Red Edition instead of Hatred (even the Shooter games are 10x better...). And there are much better horror games (even with sex) out there than Agony....

Have you played them, or is all you know about them "oh, controversy!!!!" (I have played them both)

Edit - anyway, this is a pre-release thread for a different game, so I will leave it there
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dgnfly: Don't worry I own them both on STEAM and would buy em here again. I like how you feel that if you don't like a game it suddenly falls under the category of not being a good game. Like I suggested at the start nothing but a smug guy who thinks he is the standard for good taste, You must be so full of yourself in real life.

Taste differ. but it seems arrogant people like you think the world needs to conform to their taste or else it's not worth making. Gotta love people like you who think games like these shouldn't release simply cause you say so.

I would personally vote for any game a user wants here for the whole idea of having a choice but you most likely would stop a person from having it simply cause you're too full of yourself.
I'm so sorry my opinions triggered you
Posted January 08, 2020
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dgnfly: Don't worry I own them both on STEAM and would buy em here again. I like how you feel that if you don't like a game it suddenly falls under the category of not being a good game. Like I suggested at the start nothing but a smug guy who thinks he is the standard for good taste, You must be so full of yourself in real life.

Taste differ. but it seems arrogant people like you think the world needs to conform to their taste or else it's not worth making. Gotta love people like you who think games like these shouldn't release simply cause you say so.

I would personally vote for any game a user wants here for the whole idea of having a choice but you most likely would stop a person from having it simply cause you're too full of yourself.
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amok: I'm so sorry my opinions triggered you
No need to apologize that you are triggered by my opinion, I get that a lot from Crybabies that need Curation cause they can't choose their own games and need a storefront person to do it for them. Like so many crying leftists in America, some people can't stomach choice.
Post edited January 08, 2020 by dgnfly
Posted January 08, 2020
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amok: I'm so sorry my opinions triggered you
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dgnfly: No need to apologize that you are triggered by my opinion, I get that a lot from Crybabies that need Curation cause they can't choose their own games and need a storefront person to do it for them. Like so many crying leftists in America, some people can't stomach choice.
Well, i do apologise that my apology about triggering you seems to have triggered you
Posted January 09, 2020
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dgnfly: No need to apologize that you are triggered by my opinion, I get that a lot from Crybabies that need Curation cause they can't choose their own games and need a storefront person to do it for them. Like so many crying leftists in America, some people can't stomach choice.
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amok: Well, i do apologise that my apology about triggering you seems to have triggered you
I already told you no need for you to be triggered, we understand you can't choose your own games and are handicapped to a point you need some unknown storefront person to do it for you, we understand.... just calm down. maybe you'll actually know what a good game is in the end instead of a walking simulator. I can already see you are massively triggered by the concept of Choice, Might living in a socialist-communist country be something for you?

Seeing right now I have 3 crybabies who can't stomach the idea of more games more choice and feel they are the curators of good taste ''in their own delusional mind'' Have fun getting triggered by the concept of giving consumers choice.
Post edited January 09, 2020 by dgnfly
Posted January 09, 2020
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amok: Well, i do apologise that my apology about triggering you seems to have triggered you
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dgnfly: I already told you no need for you to be triggered, we understand you can't choose your own games and are handicapped to a point you need some unknown storefront person to do it for you, we understand.... just calm down. maybe you'll actually know what a good game is in the end instead of a walking simulator. I can already see you are massively triggered by the concept of Choice, Might living in a socialist-communist country be something for you?

Seeing right now I have 3 crybabies who can't stomach the idea of more games more choice and feel they are the curators of good taste ''in their own delusional mind'' Have fun getting triggered by the concept of giving consumers choice.
oh dear, I seem to have accidentally triggered you with my apology for having triggered with my previous apology for triggering you before... so sorry, it was not my intention.
Posted January 09, 2020
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MarianFA: Very good to see this is showing up here!

Now please reconsider your rejection of Argonus and the Gods of Stone. Excellent adventure game that needs to be here along with the developer's other game, Shadowgate.,
Glad to hear they made a new game, thanks for the tip!
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