TheGrimLord: It is a little unfair to just whittle the whole thing down to porn. If you haven't noticed, Closed Game is filled with hours of story and only a scant amount of h-scenes. Yes, this is different than Starless which is full of h, but it is obvious that someone wanted to tell a story here. There's even a long, meandering section in which the party deliberates on whether or not they are going to split up. It takes so long in fact, that Celine has to intervene because people are getting bored. So calling this simply a porn game doesn't really stick. Especially when there are (and I've confirmed this with just my videos of the Celicia route) literal hours of text where nothing really sexual has happened. There are action scenes here as well as scenes for characters to explain their motives and backstories.

So yes, the "dear sister" works much better than kitten for me because it does make her sound a bit haughty, which she is. All of it fits her personality. Even other people who read the story are fine with it. Both these changes suit the characters. Nothing is ever going to be 100% accurate.

Cologno: Does this pseudo-pedo crap really sell?

Marcus-Havoc: The main problem is that too many unnecessary English words are added to so-called spice things up.

Like with persona 5 for example Gaming media mostly complained it was too literally done, and they then cried about the fact that the translator keep in the Japanese question in the school section which most fans loved because they don't mind learning something new, but the normies always complain about needing to pander to in the sense of it needs to be altered to reflect English settings regardless of the fact the story is at a Japanese high school setting.

Would it matter, for instance, if they translated the "My cute cute little kitten" part in the literal sense, seeing as it is a porn game to begin with? I see no reason to change it to darling in general. And the things I mentioned were just the beginning. Because eventually they will just add more and more, there are a lot of visual novels that use over excessively swear words for no actual reason.

Even with Nier replicant remaster, people complained about how things that were being said weren't even being translated properly. To what point, would you call Westernization a priority in to complain about? To the point like with Drakengard 3 that they just alter a persons' personality when they see fit?

Fans already requested a hundred times if they can't translate a certain meaning, you leave it as it is. and with this I mean Japanese words with no equivalent in English. Or would you enjoy the translation of "nii nii" into Big Brudder?

If you want to see how badly Localizer and translators can be and love to turn every anime character into a person with Tourette, just compare a fan translated hentai manga with an official one. I owned a couple of official ones and compared them with the scanlation version, and the fan one reads far more natural than the hipster with a foul mouth all these paid translators come out with.

I just called out the things I can hear, but just image how altered the reading parts could be.

Have you watched this video? It's pretty spot on with the general problem with localization in general, how they love to veer off and insert their own bullshit when necessary. Not to mention the hatred some of these people have for their fan base, hence why they are always triggered when a debate about localization start, and they try to dismiss everything like they are high and mighty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61KFcEk5OzY

What I was stating right now was just the things I noticed with Closed game at the beginning. There was no need for the swear words, let alone the change at the beginning.

Marcus-Havoc: Hey moron, you translated the cute kitten part to the wrong English words. Showing you're actually not reading any of it and just shilling for a company.

Marcus-Havoc: Better be careful, cause most people who say that end up getting arrested for really trying to have sex with minors.

The gaming media has been saying this for years, while during the Gamergate era, the same people who said it got arrested themselves.

Then even comes the hypocritical part of why complain about fiction while in real live over the last 15 years underage white girls have been sexually abuse by Pakistani men, yet everybody kept their mouth shut about that. And it is still going on today, but I don't see you people calling that out.

Then there was the latest one in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, where people defended a multiple child rapist, Rosenbaum.

People that mostly say that about Anime are mostly closeted pedophiles themselves or at least try to pretend to be somebody they are actually not, and the harder they scream it, the more likely it is so.

Cologno: Does this pseudo-pedo crap really sell?

Lodium: You shoud read the article i linked too
its a fun read and points out a few pitfalls with translations

here the link is again
https://legendsoflocalization.com/games-with-famous-bad-translations-into-japanese

There is a link in the article that links to this :
There’s a common assumption that when you translate something from English into another language, there shouldn’t be any English left when you’re done. Otherwise it would be an incomplete translation, right? And you’d feel like you got cheated out of the money you spent on translation, right?

If you’re translating into Japanese, then that assumption is wrong. English makes up a significant portion of the Japanese language today, and on top of that, English has been a major part of Japanese video games since the very beginning.
Source : https://legendsoflocalization.com/common-problems-when-translating-games-into-japanese/#common-problem-1-translating-everything

There do exist some simmilar cases when translating from Japanese to english
Some honor titles (kohoai etc) in japanese sounsds just weird if you translate it directly so often you have to make an explanation of what it really means

Seryuu: That is more of a question for comrade Bloodnose, but I too hope that we will be able to bring more games to GOG.
As for Abaddon, that is actually a FAKKU published game, so you will have to check with them.

Marcus-Havoc: I actually know of the site you linked. I have been tracking the progress of how bad translation and the process of it for years. I also know the Japanese prefer to get things subbed these days rather than getting is dubbed.

There is a big difference when you do from Japanese to English or the other way around, seeings the Japanese language is generic by nature and for the most part English gives you far more choices to pick from.

But Katakana is a westernized version of their alphabet, mainly used for English words in Japanese or in general borrowed words. So what you say is true to a certain extent.

Not sure which localizer or translator once said it, but there was one that admitted that the VN industry is mostly full of people still learning the language themselves and only one experienced person supervising them.
But then again it was also said that if you want an actual pro you'll most likely never see him in this field cause there is more money to be made in translating official documents and that acquires a higher level of skill.

The examples In Closed game didn't need any actual changing and could have been kept in their original form instead of so called spicing it up, and I'm curious to see what more I find. But blindly trusting a translator or localizer because they say so is the stupidest thing you could do. Even the more obvious choices like "it's delicious" into its super de-fucking-licious is nothing more than a laughable way of translating something.

Lodium: I dont think its possible to be fully educated in translaton
There will always be something to learn.
Heck i have heard even japanese themself sometimes say they didnt know about certain stuff either because its ancient or has fallen out of use or a new term has been invented replacing the old one
Adoption of foriegn words etc.

TheGrimLord: This guy always complains about the translation on these games. You know what they say, if you don't like it than learn the language and do it yourself.

Marcus-Havoc: Have you read the link I posted a while back about more bad translations being done these days? Or censorship for the sake of the triggered folk? For instance, flirting being taken out cause it triggers the nut jobs or completely rewriting stuff with a different meaning. Yen press and Seven Seas entertainment have actually completely removed parts of light novels cause it triggered the localizers/translators.

§pec†re: Do the games come with the unedited original language?

§pec†re: I didn't realise they were screwing up translations like this.

Marcus-Havoc: Just look at the whole conversation here, and you'll find out they are taking more liberties than they are claiming.
The problem is that most of the sheeple will take a localizer or translator's word for it and won't do the research need to be sure if it is up to standard.

You're from the U.K. so are you even aware that most official Blu-ray release of physical ones tend to be release with lower quality or have so many mistakes? Anime limited constantly had to recall their releases because of lower quality or in general flaws in the release, from subtitles not working correctly to graining issues. Not to mention that those releases also always end up being bare bones and missing features.

octalot: While I'd sympathise with the JAST representative for unsubscribing from this thread, if they're still here then I'd like to say:

Some of us would buy smut, but aren't going to buy anything that looks like it has a child character. Having seen the 10th image on the Frontier page, that game isn't going in my basket; and after seeing the images on the Hollow page, that's not going to get money out of my wallet. Looking at the cast photo in the first image of the Frontier page, a smaller cast could have got sales that the current one can't.

(To get my money, you also need a Linux port.)