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Vocal minorities like SJWs don't really buy any games. They just find means to be perpetually offended.

Countless gog fans who are the silent majority and don't care about tweets will continue to buy gog games.

GOG should NEVER
bow down to SJW folks as they are not a viable market.
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neojames82: Yeah I'm thinking that GOG and CDPR are kinda being a bit too apologetic lately and it isn't going to help them win any brownie points with people that are not even going to buy their stuff anyway. So you piss off a few people that weren't even interested in your game, so what? Do you think that they'll have enough pull to make a game has huge as Cyberpunk 2077 to lose huge sales? Come on now, get some prescriptive here. Or at least perhaps think before you Tweet.

Holy fuck has Twitter really ruined a lot of shit for the rest of us, haven't they?
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kohlrak: I've noticed from the forums that GOG's customer base does include SJWs, so we're just being silly with this. However, it is wise to note that placating keyboard warriors doesn't make the BS go away, if they even can be placated. If you piss someone off for political reason (other than honestly doing something stupid), then the apology will likely not placate the people you piss off, but also piss off everyone else. Kind of like ripping out a barbed arrow.
Well, I honestly think the audience for Cyberpunk 2077 probably isn't geared towards the SJW crowd anyway and that they are, in my mind, a very small minority in the gaming world. Though I do agree with your points about trying to appease these fools. They will never be satisfied and, as you said, it will only cause more damage apologizing to them.
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kohlrak: Well, as an old friend of mine said: "If a company is not explicitly conservative, it will always start veering to the left." To be fair, i think there's a psychological reason for this (more to do with how leftism generally generates sales [except when it's obviously they're filling in checkboxes]), but I still hate it. At the same time, we can't expect a company to be politically neutral, either, because that's untenable. I just hope the cyberpunk game ends up alot like the witcher, and i really hope that if they do this one thing i've heard fans ask for (at least regarding the witcher), people see it for what it really is instead of pretending that it's leftist pandering.

NOTE: What i'm referring to is that there were quests for a game focused around ciri, with the presumed feature that you can bang both men and women since she's bi. I foresee this being a feature of cyberpunk, except without ciri. This could end up being considered pandering.
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ChrisGamer300: I get what you are saying and yes in this day and age it could be seen as pandering by some but i personally don't think it should be seen pandering as long as they only add options to a futuristic game but imo it all comes down to how you handle it and the context of it in the game rather than making it a possible option to pursue such relationships and it would be a shame to see the game suffer for it.

I couldn't care less about sex and romances in a game though, that's not why i play games so i really hope it manages to avoid controversy in that regard.
The ay things are going, each witcher game has had "better sex scenes" over the last. I imagine they'll continue going in this direction. As such, just like some people bashed skyrim for it, i'm betting people will accuse CDPR for doing it, especially when they are being apologetic on twitter and even bringing in unapologeticly left-leaning games (grave digger was the most recent, at least based on it's own summary, but there were others). Which, i think it's wrong to not publish the content just because you disagree politically (morally is another issue, and although they seem close, they can very much be different), but not everyone holds the same opinion as I.
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kohlrak: I've noticed from the forums that GOG's customer base does include SJWs, so we're just being silly with this. However, it is wise to note that placating keyboard warriors doesn't make the BS go away, if they even can be placated. If you piss someone off for political reason (other than honestly doing something stupid), then the apology will likely not placate the people you piss off, but also piss off everyone else. Kind of like ripping out a barbed arrow.
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neojames82: Well, I honestly think the audience for Cyberpunk 2077 probably isn't geared towards the SJW crowd anyway and that they are, in my mind, a very small minority in the gaming world. Though I do agree with your points about trying to appease these fools. They will never be satisfied and, as you said, it will only cause more damage apologizing to them.
From my understanding, SJWs are reading Fifty Shades, so i doubt they're boycotting the witcher. It makes sense, then, that all those people are going to transition to Cyberpunk 2077.
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kohlrak: I hate the censorship of social media, but Discord is no hero.
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neojames82: No, Discord themselves have been accused of gate keeping as well. Sadly, there never will be a perfect social media solution, or there is one, which is just not to use them. XD
if you'd like, i can show you that they sell your information. I don't know if it includes credit card data and what not, but can show you that they are sending 3rd parties all kinds of stuff, even though i can't tell you what. They deny this in their privacy policy, but you can see it from the "desktop version" just by looking at some of the files in a hex editor.

EDIT: The secret to avoiding censorship is to decentralize as much as humanly possible. So Teamspeak would be ideal over discord, for example. Blockchain tech would be even better, but that can be broken faster than people normally believe. I have an idea of a solution, too, but I would need help from experienced coders to make special drivers.
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Foxhack: Hi, as an SJW, all you haters can eat my ass.

Toodles, bitches.
I'm betting good money that you are a gay furry as well, aren't you?
I've been here since more or less the beginning in some form or another.

I can tell you that cowardly bowing to raging lunatics has crossed a different kind of line than the ones the frothing madmen claim was crossed. No one likes cowards; especially since apologizing only ever seems to encourage the hordes to attack further and reach farther.

Now what? Can I expect them to remove "offensive" games from the store next? Have they already done so? You can "FCK DRM" all you want, but I care more about not bowing to the cancerous hordes that encourage this current spate of crappy games to be made. I'll be watching this space with interest, but I suspect this "no fun allowed" attitude is only the beginning.
Holy Mother of All Games!!!

Seriously, people. First I had to spend several minutes to wrap my head around what is that "assumed gender" is about. Now I'm asking myself, why this joke is "transphobic" since it is clearly calling out "transphobic" person who "assumes gender". By all accounts, it should be anti-SJWs who are offended and to whom the apology is meant for!

Anyways, Cyberpunk 2077 better not provide cybernetic enhancements that allow player's character to fly.
P.S. On sidenote, I actually understand where "assume gender" tweet came from.

A few month back CDProjekt formed a special focus group to make sure that Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't, how they put it? culturally insensitive! In other words that the game is politically correct and doesn't offend some minorities in USA, which is supposed to be it's primary market. You can imagine what people would volunteer for such group, so probably at this point all CDPR staff is fed up with PC BS and wanted to vent.
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KuraudotheGreat: I've been here since more or less the beginning in some form or another.

I can tell you that cowardly bowing to raging lunatics has crossed a different kind of line than the ones the frothing madmen claim was crossed. No one likes cowards; especially since apologizing only ever seems to encourage the hordes to attack further and reach farther.

Now what? Can I expect them to remove "offensive" games from the store next? Have they already done so? You can "FCK DRM" all you want, but I care more about not bowing to the cancerous hordes that encourage this current spate of crappy games to be made. I'll be watching this space with interest, but I suspect this "no fun allowed" attitude is only the beginning.
The big picture is that such crowds would likely end up supporting DRM: if a game doesn't have DRM, you can't make it completely disappear from the world.

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LootHunter: Holy Mother of All Games!!!

Seriously, people. First I had to spend several minutes to wrap my head around what is that "assumed gender" is about. Now I'm asking myself, why this joke is "transphobic" since it is clearly calling out "transphobic" person who "assumes gender". By all accounts, it should be anti-SJWs who are offended and to whom the apology is meant for!

Anyways, Cyberpunk 2077 better not provide cybernetic enhancements that allow player's character to fly.
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LootHunter:
Clearly, it's making fun of the line, rather than using the line in all seriousness. To be fair, it was also a really dumb joke, too. It's about as cringy as putting up a tweet saying something like "lyk, omg, u can totes be lyk emo/scene, weeaboo, or wuteva you wanna be, yo, cuz our customization options be fly, guuuuuurl."

Then again, none of this makes sense to you given where you're from. Basically, GOG's just trying way too hard. This "gender assumption problem" is annoyingly an issue in the west. You'd think that it's satire, but these people actually are serious. Free-speech-loving, first-world problems for sure.
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LootHunter: P.S. On sidenote, I actually understand where "assume gender" tweet came from.

A few month back CDProjekt formed a special focus group to make sure that Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't, how they put it? culturally insensitive! In other words that the game is politically correct and doesn't offend some minorities in USA, which is supposed to be it's primary market. You can imagine what people would volunteer for such group, so probably at this point all CDPR staff is fed up with PC BS and wanted to vent.
You're not giving me much hope for the game.
Post edited August 22, 2018 by kohlrak
No no nooo! Not this bullshit again...
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tort1234: Vocal minorities like SJWs don't really buy any games.
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GOG should NEVER bow down to SJW folks as they are not a viable market.
Unlike you with your 16 (presumably all free) games?
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InkPanther: No no nooo! Not this bullshit again...
CDPR/GOG's ineptitude isn't what's important. What's important is FCK DRM! lol
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InkPanther: No no nooo! Not this bullshit again...
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richlind33: CDPR/GOG's ineptitude isn't what's important. What's important is FCK DRM! lol
Edit: nvm
Post edited August 22, 2018 by InkPanther
I almost wasn't going to buy another game from GOG after the Postal capitulation: Getting my bank to approve a purchase is too much of a hassle for a company that prefers people who don't like games over me. The GOG-Chan artist's comments gave me the impression they learned a lesson. Wow, they did it again less than a week after I bought a game off GOG. Won't make that mistake again.

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InkPanther: No no nooo! Not this bullshit again...
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richlind33: CDPR/GOG's ineptitude isn't what's important. What's important is FCK DRM! lol
Which launched the same day Geralt was confirmed to star in a game that requires Denuvo. Shows how little CDPR corporate cares about the whole DRM free thing.
Post edited August 22, 2018 by deuxhero
This is such a tired topic already. You're allowed to keep the discussion open but let's make it clear what will result in the topic being locked -

1) Spamming 'SJWs' or 'GG'ers' or similar.

2) Ranting - If your post is just a rant with no insight or anything of value, then it's not welcome in the discussion. Swearing and saying 'F this and F that' is unproductive.

3) Spamming the word 'coward'. Tweeting isn't bravery, deleting a tweeting isn't cowardice. Act like adults, you can praise/ criticise the use of social media, but don't kid yourself to think it's some form of bravery or cowardice.

4) Be civil, be sensible. As ever, just remain sensible and don't attack users. If users start to abuse each other, they will be dealt with and the thread will be locked.



I expect you all to be able to post within the thread without causing any issues. If not, I will moderate the topic and the users involved.
It probably doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum GOG and CDP are on, because It's impossible to please every single customer after all.

Oh, and there's no such thing as bad publicity, r-right? :')
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Linko90: 1) Spamming 'SJWs' or 'GG'ers' or similar.
So, how SHOULD we call those people?

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Linko90: 3) Spamming the word 'coward'. Tweeting isn't bravery, deleting a tweeting isn't cowardice.
I totally agree with this. Personally, I support GOG staff, when they decide to apologise for something, that could cause some people feel bad. It's people who treat an apology as a sign of weakness or even some sort admission of guilt should be shamed.